Type 1 blank?

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Chriscook813
Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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I have a copper blank without rim, 4.7 grams. Same thickness as a flying eagle but just slightly a larger diameter. I'm thinking (hoping) I have found a 1856 -64 type 1 blank.


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  • Steven59
    Steven59 Posts: 11,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2, 2022 7:40PM
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    Junk

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • Chriscook813
    Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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    And what does that mean exactly ?

  • Steven59
    Steven59 Posts: 11,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2, 2022 7:40PM
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    .

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • Steven59
    Steven59 Posts: 11,232 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2, 2022 7:38PM
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    Oh I see - you show a FE in a bezel first and then you aske about a so called "copper" blank, never mind

    "When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"

  • Chriscook813
    Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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    Man your awful friendly. No the first pic is an modern Indian head penny on the left. In the middle is the blank and on the right is a flying eagle. It was to show the thickness.

  • Chriscook813
    Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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    And then I have the eagle sitting on top of the blank to show diameter.

  • Chriscook813
    Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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    Here is the blank

  • Chriscook813
    Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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    IF this was a true blank and missed the upset mill it would be slightly larger in diameter unless I'm mistaken.

  • Oldhoopster
    Oldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Best thing is to get someone with a handheld XRF to do a scan (do a couple diff spots and record the compositions). It should average out close to 88% copper and 12% nickel.

    I'm not seeing the characteristic punch and tear appearance on the edge that should be visible on a type 1 blank (assuming the blanking process was similar to the current process)

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  • Chriscook813
    Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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    Here is better pic of edge. Very sharp

  • Chriscook813
    Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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    I will definitely get it on a XRF. What makes it even more intriguing is that I found it in a box passed down Teo generations with several other raw mid 1800 coins. It is definitely copper and it weights 4.7. So I'm going to definitely look into it. I just thought I'd get some input first.

  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,253 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Wouldn't hurt to know the exact diameter along with the weight.
    Jim


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  • jonathanb
    jonathanb Posts: 4,155 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Planchets are always SMALLER than the final struck coin. Further testing is irrelevant. There is zero chance that yours is a US Mint product, sorry.

  • Chriscook813
    Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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    I will get that tomorrow for sure. Who knows what a blank diameter is of an flying eagle before it hit the upsetting mill? Where would I get that info?

  • Chriscook813
    Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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    It's a blank jonathand. Not a planchet. It doesn't have a rim!

  • Chriscook813
    Chriscook813 Posts: 15 ✭
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    I may not know if my blank is a slug or intended for a coin but I do know how coins are made and a blank before the upsetting mill is larger. The mill pushes in the edge creating a rim which then creates a planchet smaller than the original blank.so it is relevant!

  • Abehunter
    Abehunter Posts: 286 ✭✭✭
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    From the picture I can see what looks like face,where do you find something like that?

  • FlyingAl
    FlyingAl Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @Chriscook813 said:
    I may not know if my blank is a slug or intended for a coin but I do know how coins are made and a blank before the upsetting mill is larger. The mill pushes in the edge creating a rim which then creates a planchet smaller than the original blank.so it is relevant!

    Quick question for you - why would the blank be larger and THICKER than the finished coin - remember that as the bank shrinks slightly in the upsetting mill it also gets thicker.

    I do not think this is a genuine mint blank, at least not based on the images. XRF testing would need to be done to be sure either way, and if the XRF tests are correct for the blank in question, it would need to be certified by a TPG.

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  • Abehunter
    Abehunter Posts: 286 ✭✭✭
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    Kinda looks to me like a newer Jefferson nickle,off center,the face does,

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That picture that appears to show a 'face' is weird. Cannot determine if it is pareidolia or image transfer from being in long term close contact with a real coin. Cheers, RickO

  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It’s a non-US ‘slug’
    Not a US blank or planchet at all

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @FredWeinberg said:
    It’s a non-US ‘slug’
    Not a US blank or planchet at all

    What's the difference between a slug and a blank?

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  • FredWeinberg
    FredWeinberg Posts: 6,040 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    The term slug is not associated with the US mint or any mint blank or planchet
    If it were a type one blank it wouldn’t be a slug
    If it were a slug it wouldn’t be a type one blank
    I’m just trying to say that it’s a piece of metal whose origin and original purpose will probably be impossible to provide

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • Zoins
    Zoins Posts: 34,489 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 3, 2022 8:46PM
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    @FredWeinberg said:
    The term slug is not associated with the US mint or any mint blank or planchet
    If it were a type one blank it wouldn’t be a slug
    If it were a slug it wouldn’t be a type one blank
    I’m just trying to say that it’s a piece of metal whose origin and original purpose will probably be impossible to provide

    Does this mean that:

    • a round unstruck of piece of metal for a mint, including Dan Carr's Moonlight Mint, would be a blank or planchet?
    • a round unstruck of piece of metal not meant for a coin, medal or token, would be a slug?
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