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Oak tree threepence
tynetraveller2000
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Hi all I'm new on here I was wondering if anyone can identify the variant of this threepence I found whilst out metal detecting in England many thanks. 
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tynetraveller2000
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I can't. It is an interesting find. Welcome to the forum.
Noe-35. [Edit: see posts below, actually Noe-28]
Same as this one.
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/30855377
Looks like yours is the third known for this die pair.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/colonials/1652-3pence-oak-tree-threepence-in-on-obverse-noe-35-w-320-salmon-7-b-r8-au53-pcgs-cac/a/1298-3633.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
Could be worth more than $10k, if you can find a buyer who collects these by die pair.
I was just about to say, "I'd love to find one of these metal detecting," when I read the original post. I live a few miles from the state known to some as as MASATHVSETS, but maybe I should go to England and look instead?
Dream find!!! Congrats!
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Wow... now THAT'S an awesome first post! Welcome to the Forum!
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That's interesting,its in the hands of the British museum at present, they're deciding whether it's classed as treasure?
WOW! Amazing find. Big congrats!
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@tynetraveller2000 ... Welcome aboard. Nice find. There is also a metal detecting forum here you would enjoy. Cheers, RickO
Did you find it in a group of coins or by itself? I thought a single coin find was not considered a treasure find in Jolly Ole England!
I agree, but what they've said is because it's been modified pierced it may be classed as treasure, just waiting on the verdict.
Based on the recent history of this forum, he's going to tell us he found it in a parking lot.
nice, if that could only tell a few stories
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forgive me for challenging this attribution as colonials aren't really my area but i've done a few, some htt, cwt, etc.
i know the op coin is heavily corroded but do you still think it is a match from this image?
Here's two pics I took on my phone prior to my visit to the museum, it doesn't look as corroded and tarnished, think it the high resolution camera they used.
Amazing find ! Congrats
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yes, this. i neglected to say that in my earlier post! thanks for also sharing it here instead of just a metal detecting forum!
Well done.
It's a Noe.28 (Salmon.6-B) not a Noe.35 (Salmon.7-B).
Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
American Numismatic Society
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Thanks for the corrections Jesse and Lance.
I was going by the orientation of the letters; I didn't notice that the tree branches were not a match.
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thanks for doing the attribution. i would NOT have looked it up myself and only simply noticed the trees didn't look the same enough for me to at least mention it. attribution of colonials is one onery monster. i have learned that much.
so potentially only because you were the first on the firing line, we are able to tag-team this thing.
NOT to mention, getting someone to post, i don't recall seeing for quite some time.
A cool find.
Any guesses on why there's a hole? Too big and sloppy for a necklace, it seems. It looks like it was nailed to something.
Was it found in a seaside town? I know that there was a tradition of nailing a coin to the bottom of the mast on a new ship.
Big thanks to everyone who has congratulated me on this find, it's looking like a noe 35 variant
No nowhere the coast,I do like the theory of being nailed though,I thought why would it still have jagged edges roundthe piercing if it was a on a necklace or bracelet
Great find. Looking forward to hopping the pond and doing a little metal detecting myself 👍
Noe-28. See the posts by Lance and Jesse above.
Again, not a Noe.35.
Interestingly, the Noe.28 and the Noe.35 are technically the same dies—the same piece of die steel, anyway. The obverse was severely re-engraved to make a completely different die variety, while the reverse is essentially the same between the two. This is one of the reasons why it is better to use a number/letter die numbering system (i.e., Salmon.6-B and Salmon.7-B), rather than a straight numbering system (i.e., Noe.28 and Noe.35), so you can see when dies are shared between varieties. (Though this one in particular is a little confusing because of the use of re-engraved obverse dies). Noe had his 28 further distinguishable by die state, as Noe.28, Noe.28.5, and Noe.28.5.5, but Salmon didn't feel that these were distinct enough to warrant separate die varieties, and rightfully so.
Either way, I failed to congratulate you! Congratulations!
Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
American Numismatic Society
New York City
Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
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So it's a noe 28 6b ,have you any idea of the rarity? thankyou for all your info.
Not noe 35 it's now 28
😃 my work colleague said it was a shopping trolley token 😂
Salmon lists it as an R4.
Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
American Numismatic Society
New York City
Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
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Ok thanks again for your reply
Is it possible to put a date on this?
I know the majority of them have the same year on them just wondering if it's a early or late one.
1652 is the date on all of the Oak Tree three pence coins.
It is thought they were struck around 1660 or possibly 1662-1667.
https://coins.nd.edu/colcoin/colcoinintros/OakTree.intro.html
Amazing find.
Thought so 👍
I'm really impressed with the definitive answers I've received within a couple of days hats off to you, I'm still waiting for a response from my side and it's been five weeks! One other thing does anyone have a guestimate of value
If I had to take a guess, it was probably holed due to the great recoinage of 1696 under William III. A lot of worn, clipped coins were melted for recoinage and older obsolete coins still identifiable and useable were required to be pierced to remain in circulation.
Interesting I've found two William lll silver sixpence in the same field ,maybe more to find
Despite growing up in the States in the '90s, Lindisfarne was a favorite band of mine. @tynetraveller2000 , your handle reminds of this song (which was also the name of the album this song came from). "Nicely Out of Tune," however was their best album...
Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
American Numismatic Society
New York City
Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
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How ironic" turn a deaf ear"was my favourite track on that album