Oak tree threepence

tynetraveller2000 · May 26, 2022 2:16AM

Hi all I'm new on here I was wondering if anyone can identify the variant of this threepence I found whilst out metal detecting in England many thanks.

jmlanzaf · May 26, 2022 4:16AM

I can't. It is an interesting find. Welcome to the forum.

yosclimber · May 26, 2022 4:20AM

Noe-35. [Edit: see posts below, actually Noe-28]

Same as this one.
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/30855377

Looks like yours is the third known for this die pair.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/colonials/1652-3pence-oak-tree-threepence-in-on-obverse-noe-35-w-320-salmon-7-b-r8-au53-pcgs-cac/a/1298-3633.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Could be worth more than $10k, if you can find a buyer who collects these by die pair.

rhedden · May 26, 2022 5:07AM

I was just about to say, "I'd love to find one of these metal detecting," when I read the original post. I live a few miles from the state known to some as as MASATHVSETS, but maybe I should go to England and look instead?

tynetraveller2000 · May 26, 2022 5:10AM

@yosclimber said:
Noe-35.

Same as this one.
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/30855377

Looks like yours is the third known for this die pair.
https://coins.ha.com/itm/colonials/1652-3pence-oak-tree-threepence-in-on-obverse-noe-35-w-320-salmon-7-b-r8-au53-pcgs-cac/a/1298-3633.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

Could be worth more than $10k, if you can find a buyer who collects these dies

mbogoman · May 26, 2022 5:11AM

Dream find!!! Congrats!

lkenefic · May 26, 2022 5:13AM

Wow... now THAT'S an awesome first post! Welcome to the Forum!

tynetraveller2000 · May 26, 2022 5:20AM

That's interesting,its in the hands of the British museum at present, they're deciding whether it's classed as treasure?

Kliao · May 26, 2022 5:21AM

WOW! Amazing find. Big congrats!

ricko · May 26, 2022 5:25AM

@tynetraveller2000 ... Welcome aboard. Nice find. There is also a metal detecting forum here you would enjoy. Cheers, RickO

amwldcoin · May 26, 2022 5:30AM

@tynetraveller2000 said:
That's interesting,its in the hands of the British museum at present, they're deciding whether it's classed as treasure?

Did you find it in a group of coins or by itself? I thought a single coin find was not considered a treasure find in Jolly Ole England!

tynetraveller2000 · May 26, 2022 5:57AM

I agree, but what they've said is because it's been modified pierced it may be classed as treasure, just waiting on the verdict.

rhedden · May 26, 2022 7:21AM

Based on the recent history of this forum, he's going to tell us he found it in a parking lot.

johnny9434 · May 26, 2022 7:45AM

nice, if that could only tell a few stories

LanceNewmanOCC · May 26, 2022 8:03AM

@yosclimber said:

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forgive me for challenging this attribution as colonials aren't really my area but i've done a few, some htt, cwt, etc.

i know the op coin is heavily corroded but do you still think it is a match from this image?

tynetraveller2000 · May 26, 2022 9:34AM

Here's two pics I took on my phone prior to my visit to the museum, it doesn't look as corroded and tarnished, think it the high resolution camera they used.

tynetraveller2000 · May 26, 2022 9:36AM

jughead1893 · May 26, 2022 9:51AM

Amazing find ! Congrats

LanceNewmanOCC · May 26, 2022 10:40AM

@jughead1893 said:
Amazing find ! Congrats

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yes, this. i neglected to say that in my earlier post! thanks for also sharing it here instead of just a metal detecting forum!

silverbul · May 26, 2022 12:19PM

Well done.

JesseKraft · May 26, 2022 12:42PM

It's a Noe.28 (Salmon.6-B) not a Noe.35 (Salmon.7-B).

yosclimber · May 26, 2022 2:52PM

Thanks for the corrections Jesse and Lance.
I was going by the orientation of the letters; I didn't notice that the tree branches were not a match.

LanceNewmanOCC · May 26, 2022 2:58PM

@yosclimber said:
Thanks for the corrections Jesse and Lance.
I was going by the orientation of the letters; I didn't notice that the tree branches were not a match.

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thanks for doing the attribution. i would NOT have looked it up myself and only simply noticed the trees didn't look the same enough for me to at least mention it. attribution of colonials is one onery monster. i have learned that much.

so potentially only because you were the first on the firing line, we are able to tag-team this thing.

NOT to mention, getting someone to post, i don't recall seeing for quite some time.

golden · May 26, 2022 3:01PM

A cool find.

JBK · May 26, 2022 3:21PM

Any guesses on why there's a hole? Too big and sloppy for a necklace, it seems. It looks like it was nailed to something.

Was it found in a seaside town? I know that there was a tradition of nailing a coin to the bottom of the mast on a new ship.

tynetraveller2000 · May 26, 2022 3:32PM

Big thanks to everyone who has congratulated me on this find, it's looking like a noe 35 variant

tynetraveller2000 · May 26, 2022 3:38PM

No nowhere the coast,I do like the theory of being nailed though,I thought why would it still have jagged edges roundthe piercing if it was a on a necklace or bracelet

justmenutty72 · May 26, 2022 3:46PM

Great find. Looking forward to hopping the pond and doing a little metal detecting myself 👍

yosclimber · May 26, 2022 3:52PM

@tynetraveller2000 said:
Big thanks to everyone who has congratulated me on this find, it's looking like a noe 35 variant

Noe-28. See the posts by Lance and Jesse above.

JesseKraft · May 26, 2022 5:15PM

@tynetraveller2000 said:
Big thanks to everyone who has congratulated me on this find, it's looking like a noe 35 variant

Again, not a Noe.35.

Interestingly, the Noe.28 and the Noe.35 are technically the same dies—the same piece of die steel, anyway. The obverse was severely re-engraved to make a completely different die variety, while the reverse is essentially the same between the two. This is one of the reasons why it is better to use a number/letter die numbering system (i.e., Salmon.6-B and Salmon.7-B), rather than a straight numbering system (i.e., Noe.28 and Noe.35), so you can see when dies are shared between varieties. (Though this one in particular is a little confusing because of the use of re-engraved obverse dies). Noe had his 28 further distinguishable by die state, as Noe.28, Noe.28.5, and Noe.28.5.5, but Salmon didn't feel that these were distinct enough to warrant separate die varieties, and rightfully so.

Either way, I failed to congratulate you! Congratulations!

tynetraveller2000 · May 26, 2022 11:32PM

@tynetraveller2000 said:
Big thanks to everyone who has congratulated me on this find, it's looking like a noe 28 type

tynetraveller2000 · May 26, 2022 11:38PM

So it's a noe 28 6b ,have you any idea of the rarity? thankyou for all your info.

tynetraveller2000 · May 27, 2022 12:27AM

@tynetraveller2000 said:
Big thanks to everyone who has congratulated me on this find, it's looking like a noe 35 variant

Not noe 35 it's now 28

tynetraveller2000 · May 27, 2022 4:18AM

@rhedden said:
Based on the recent history of this forum, he's going to tell us he found it in a parking lot.

😃 my work colleague said it was a shopping trolley token 😂

JesseKraft · May 27, 2022 6:01AM

@tynetraveller2000 said:
So it's a noe 28 6b ,have you any idea of the rarity? thankyou for all your info.

Salmon lists it as an R4.

tynetraveller2000 · May 27, 2022 6:39AM

@JesseKraft said:

@tynetraveller2000 said:
So it's a noe 28 6b ,have you any idea of the rarity? thankyou for all your info.

Salmon lists it as an R4.

Ok thanks again for your reply

tynetraveller2000 · May 27, 2022 8:43AM

@tynetraveller2000 said:

@JesseKraft said:

@tynetraveller2000 said:
So it's a noe 28 6b ,have you any idea of the rarity? thankyou for all your info.

Salmon lists it as an R4.

Ok thanks again for your reply

Is it possible to put a date on this?
I know the majority of them have the same year on them just wondering if it's a early or late one.

yosclimber · May 27, 2022 2:05PM

@tynetraveller2000 said:

@tynetraveller2000 said:

@JesseKraft said:

@tynetraveller2000 said:
So it's a noe 28 6b ,have you any idea of the rarity? thankyou for all your info.

Salmon lists it as an R4.

Ok thanks again for your reply

Is it possible to put a date on this?
I know the majority of them have the same year on them just wondering if it's a early or late one.

1652 is the date on all of the Oak Tree three pence coins.
It is thought they were struck around 1660 or possibly 1662-1667.
https://coins.nd.edu/colcoin/colcoinintros/OakTree.intro.html

SIowhand · May 27, 2022 7:12PM

Amazing find.

tynetraveller2000 · May 28, 2022 12:42AM

@yosclimber said:

@tynetraveller2000 said:

@tynetraveller2000 said:

@JesseKraft said:

@tynetraveller2000 said:
So it's a noe 28 6b ,have you any idea of the rarity? thankyou for all your info.

Salmon lists it as an R4.

Ok thanks again for your reply

Is it possible to put a date on this?
I know the majority of them have the same year on them just wondering if it's a early or late one.

1652 is the date on all of the Oak Tree three pence coins.
It is thought they were struck around 1660 or possibly 1662-1667.
https://coins.nd.edu/colcoin/colcoinintros/OakTree.intro.html

Thought so 👍

tynetraveller2000 · May 28, 2022 8:33AM

I'm really impressed with the definitive answers I've received within a couple of days hats off to you, I'm still waiting for a response from my side and it's been five weeks! One other thing does anyone have a guestimate of value

87redcivic · May 28, 2022 9:09AM

If I had to take a guess, it was probably holed due to the great recoinage of 1696 under William III. A lot of worn, clipped coins were melted for recoinage and older obsolete coins still identifiable and useable were required to be pierced to remain in circulation.

“Persons having unclipt hammered Monies before 10th Feb. 1695, to cause the same to be punched.; After 10th Feb. no unclipt hammered Monies to be current unless so punched.; Receiving, &c. such appearing to be clipt; Penalty; Quarter Sessions empowered to determine Offences.

tynetraveller2000 · May 28, 2022 9:29AM

@87redcivic said:
If I had to take a guess, it was probably holed due to the great recoinage of 1696 under William III. A lot of worn, clipped coins were melted for recoinage and older obsolete coins still identifiable and useable were required to be pierced to remain in circulation.

“Persons having unclipt hammered Monies before 10th Feb. 1695, to cause the same to be punched.; After 10th Feb. no unclipt hammered Monies to be current unless so punched.; Receiving, &c. such appearing to be clipt; Penalty; Quarter Sessions empowered to determine Offences.

Interesting I've found two William lll silver sixpence in the same field ,maybe more to find

JesseKraft · May 28, 2022 2:59PM

Despite growing up in the States in the '90s, Lindisfarne was a favorite band of mine. @tynetraveller2000 , your handle reminds of this song (which was also the name of the album this song came from). "Nicely Out of Tune," however was their best album...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm_KZSYSiGc

tynetraveller2000 · May 29, 2022 2:19AM

@JesseKraft said:
Despite growing up in the States in the '90s, Lindisfarne was a favorite band of mine. @tynetraveller2000 , your handle reminds of this song (which was also the name of the album this song came from). "Nicely Out of Tune," however was their best album...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tm_KZSYSiGc

How ironic" turn a deaf ear"was my favourite track on that album

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