Struck-through or not? (saint)

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ReadyFireAim
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I can't decide :/ (reverse wing...click link for big picture)

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/42809675

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  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like a staple scratch. No CAC for you! :D

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  • ReadyFireAim
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    @PerryHall said:

    No CAC for you! :D

    ;)
    It's against my nature to bid on a CAC coin but I'm on the fence so far as this one goes.

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  • PerryHall
    PerryHall Posts: 47,752 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's hard to believe that both PCGS and CAC missed that staple scratch. That would be an otherwise beautiful coin.

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  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @PerryHall said:
    Looks like a staple scratch. No CAC for you! :D

    That mark looks more severe than a staple scratch.

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  • ReadyFireAim
    ReadyFireAim Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:
    That mark looks more severe than a staple scratch.

    That's what I was thinking.
    My 08-D has a staple scratch (3rd ray from the left)

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  • scubafuel
    scubafuel Posts: 2,080 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sure looks like a staple scratch to me.

  • Treashunt
    Treashunt Posts: 6,748 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Damage, scratch.

    Frank

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  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like PMD to me... but not a staple scratch.... A significant hit. Cheers, RickO

  • BuffaloIronTail
    BuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like a scratch.

    Pete

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  • coinkat
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    The takeaway in looking at this one is the importance of the obverse and it really is the obverse that carries the grade. The scratch seems somewhat hidden in the design and simply is not a focal point that is overly distracting.

    Nice looking coin

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  • Oldhoopster
    Oldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Regardless of the cause, it's a scratch or gouge. I wonder how it was missed? Another good example of "buy the coin, not the holder" IMO

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  • PerryHall
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    @Oldhoopster said:
    Regardless of the cause, it's a scratch or gouge. I wonder how it was missed? Another good example of "buy the coin, not the holder" IMO

    .....or the sticker.

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  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.

    If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.

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  • Catbert
    Catbert Posts: 8,258 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That seems a very minute and hidden flaw that would not bother me.

    Edit - referring to the 1908.

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  • Broadstruck
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  • jesbroken
    jesbroken Posts: 11,252 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Sure looks like a deep surface disturbance like a scratch, but as both PCGS and CAC either missed it or thinks it is something else, I would go with raised and struck through.
    Jim


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  • messydesk
    messydesk Posts: 20,814 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Looks like a scratch to me from here. Even if it were a strike-thru, a strike-thru that looks like a scratch is hard to sell as anything but a scratch.

    John
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  • CaptHenway
    CaptHenway Posts: 34,164 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    In the 1911-D's defense, when prompted to "look for the scratch on the reverse," it took me several seconds to find it.

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  • lkenefic
    lkenefic Posts: 9,518 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It took me a little while to find it too... but now I can't "un-see" it...

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  • MFeld
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    @CaptHenway said:
    I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.

    If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.

    Just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a strike through and the scratch looks too severe/significant to be labeled (merely) a “staple scratch”.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • olympicsos
    olympicsos Posts: 990 ✭✭✭✭
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    It is hidden so well, if it was another coin it would be in a details holder.

  • asheland
    asheland Posts: 24,545 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    It's hard to unsee that, but otherwise that's an awfully nice looking Saint!

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  • Cougar1978
    Cougar1978 Posts: 10,067 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2022 1:46PM
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    Major mark on wing, pass.

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  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    But it stickered. Aren’t you glad you paid an extra 40-50% for that coin?

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2022 5:46PM
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    Pff. Some might say you could take a neutron microscope and wouldn’t even notice it.

  • cameonut2011
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    @MFeld said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.

    If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.

    Just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a strike through and the scratch looks too severe/significant to be labeled (merely) a “staple scratch”.

    If the coin were in your inventory, how would you describe it?

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @cameonut2011 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.

    If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.

    Just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a strike through and the scratch looks too severe/significant to be labeled (merely) a “staple scratch”.

    If the coin were in your inventory, how would you describe it?

    Something along the lines of: “An attractive example with pleasing color and an especially clean obverse. There are a number of minor reverse marks, as well as a prominent one on the upper left portion of the eagle’s left (facing) wing.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Did you pay CAC bid or less? If so, you could offer it back to CAC.

  • MFeld
    MFeld Posts: 17,132 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @cameonut2011 said:
    Did you pay CAC bid or less? If so, you could offer it back to CAC.

    I’m not under the impression that the OP owns the coin. Did I miss a post to that effect?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • cameonut2011
    cameonut2011 Posts: 10,874 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    @MFeld said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Did you pay CAC bid or less? If so, you could offer it back to CAC.

    I’m not under the impression that the OP owns the coin. Did I miss a post to that effect?

    I misread his post. I’m wrong, and you are correct.

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