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Struck-through or not? (saint)

ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

I can't decide :/ (reverse wing...click link for big picture)

https://www.pcgs.com/cert/42809675

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a staple scratch. No CAC for you! :D

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  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    No CAC for you! :D

    ;)
    It's against my nature to bid on a CAC coin but I'm on the fence so far as this one goes.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's hard to believe that both PCGS and CAC missed that staple scratch. That would be an otherwise beautiful coin.

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:
    Looks like a staple scratch. No CAC for you! :D

    That mark looks more severe than a staple scratch.

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  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,828 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:
    That mark looks more severe than a staple scratch.

    That's what I was thinking.
    My 08-D has a staple scratch (3rd ray from the left)

  • scubafuelscubafuel Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sure looks like a staple scratch to me.

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Damage, scratch.

    Frank

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like PMD to me... but not a staple scratch.... A significant hit. Cheers, RickO

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,494 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a scratch.

    Pete

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  • coinkatcoinkat Posts: 23,460 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The takeaway in looking at this one is the importance of the obverse and it really is the obverse that carries the grade. The scratch seems somewhat hidden in the design and simply is not a focal point that is overly distracting.

    Nice looking coin

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  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Regardless of the cause, it's a scratch or gouge. I wonder how it was missed? Another good example of "buy the coin, not the holder" IMO

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  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,423 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Oldhoopster said:
    Regardless of the cause, it's a scratch or gouge. I wonder how it was missed? Another good example of "buy the coin, not the holder" IMO

    .....or the sticker.

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  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.

    If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.

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  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,368 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2022 8:30AM

    That seems a very minute and hidden flaw that would not bother me.

    Edit - referring to the 1908.

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  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,164 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sure looks like a deep surface disturbance like a scratch, but as both PCGS and CAC either missed it or thinks it is something else, I would go with raised and struck through.
    Jim


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  • messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,088 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a scratch to me from here. Even if it were a strike-thru, a strike-thru that looks like a scratch is hard to sell as anything but a scratch.

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In the 1911-D's defense, when prompted to "look for the scratch on the reverse," it took me several seconds to find it.

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  • lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 8,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It took me a little while to find it too... but now I can't "un-see" it...

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.

    If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.

    Just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a strike through and the scratch looks too severe/significant to be labeled (merely) a “staple scratch”.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • olympicsosolympicsos Posts: 855 ✭✭✭✭

    It is hidden so well, if it was another coin it would be in a details holder.

  • ashelandasheland Posts: 23,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's hard to unsee that, but otherwise that's an awfully nice looking Saint!

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2022 12:46PM

    Major mark on wing, pass.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    But it stickered. Aren’t you glad you paid an extra 40-50% for that coin?

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 14, 2022 4:46PM

    Pff. Some might say you could take a neutron microscope and wouldn’t even notice it.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.

    If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.

    Just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a strike through and the scratch looks too severe/significant to be labeled (merely) a “staple scratch”.

    If the coin were in your inventory, how would you describe it?

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @MFeld said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.

    If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.

    Just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a strike through and the scratch looks too severe/significant to be labeled (merely) a “staple scratch”.

    If the coin were in your inventory, how would you describe it?

    Something along the lines of: “An attractive example with pleasing color and an especially clean obverse. There are a number of minor reverse marks, as well as a prominent one on the upper left portion of the eagle’s left (facing) wing.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Did you pay CAC bid or less? If so, you could offer it back to CAC.

  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Did you pay CAC bid or less? If so, you could offer it back to CAC.

    I’m not under the impression that the OP owns the coin. Did I miss a post to that effect?

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,169 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    Did you pay CAC bid or less? If so, you could offer it back to CAC.

    I’m not under the impression that the OP owns the coin. Did I miss a post to that effect?

    I misread his post. I’m wrong, and you are correct.

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