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It's hard to believe that both PCGS and CAC missed that staple scratch. That would be an otherwise beautiful coin.
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The takeaway in looking at this one is the importance of the obverse and it really is the obverse that carries the grade. The scratch seems somewhat hidden in the design and simply is not a focal point that is overly distracting.
Nice looking coin
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@Oldhoopster said:
Regardless of the cause, it's a scratch or gouge. I wonder how it was missed? Another good example of "buy the coin, not the holder" IMO
.....or the sticker.
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I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.
If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.
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Sure looks like a deep surface disturbance like a scratch, but as both PCGS and CAC either missed it or thinks it is something else, I would go with raised and struck through.
Jim
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Looks like a scratch to me from here. Even if it were a strike-thru, a strike-thru that looks like a scratch is hard to sell as anything but a scratch.
In the 1911-D's defense, when prompted to "look for the scratch on the reverse," it took me several seconds to find it.
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@CaptHenway said:
I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.
If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.
Just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a strike through and the scratch looks too severe/significant to be labeled (merely) a “staple scratch”.
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@CaptHenway said:
I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.
If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.
Just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a strike through and the scratch looks too severe/significant to be labeled (merely) a “staple scratch”.
If the coin were in your inventory, how would you describe it?
@CaptHenway said:
I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.
If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.
Just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a strike through and the scratch looks too severe/significant to be labeled (merely) a “staple scratch”.
If the coin were in your inventory, how would you describe it?
Something along the lines of: “An attractive example with pleasing color and an especially clean obverse. There are a number of minor reverse marks, as well as a prominent one on the upper left portion of the eagle’s left (facing) wing.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
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Looks like a staple scratch. No CAC for you!
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No CAC for you!
It's against my nature to bid on a CAC coin but I'm on the fence so far as this one goes.
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It's hard to believe that both PCGS and CAC missed that staple scratch. That would be an otherwise beautiful coin.
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That mark looks more severe than a staple scratch.
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That's what I was thinking.
My 08-D has a staple scratch (3rd ray from the left)
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Sure looks like a staple scratch to me.
Damage, scratch.
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Looks like PMD to me... but not a staple scratch.... A significant hit. Cheers, RickO
Looks like a scratch.
Pete
The takeaway in looking at this one is the importance of the obverse and it really is the obverse that carries the grade. The scratch seems somewhat hidden in the design and simply is not a focal point that is overly distracting.
Nice looking coin
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Regardless of the cause, it's a scratch or gouge. I wonder how it was missed? Another good example of "buy the coin, not the holder" IMO
.....or the sticker.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
I will agree with staple scratch, though I would like to hear Mark's thoughts.
If it were a strike through the relief of it would rise and fall as the object conformed to the rise and fall of the die. This is flat within the mark.
That seems a very minute and hidden flaw that would not bother me.
Edit - referring to the 1908.
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Sure looks like a deep surface disturbance like a scratch, but as both PCGS and CAC either missed it or thinks it is something else, I would go with raised and struck through.
Jim
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Looks like a scratch to me from here. Even if it were a strike-thru, a strike-thru that looks like a scratch is hard to sell as anything but a scratch.
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In the 1911-D's defense, when prompted to "look for the scratch on the reverse," it took me several seconds to find it.
It took me a little while to find it too... but now I can't "un-see" it...
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Just to be clear, I don’t think it’s a strike through and the scratch looks too severe/significant to be labeled (merely) a “staple scratch”.
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It is hidden so well, if it was another coin it would be in a details holder.
It's hard to unsee that, but otherwise that's an awfully nice looking Saint!
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Major mark on wing, pass.
But it stickered. Aren’t you glad you paid an extra 40-50% for that coin?
Pff. Some might say you could take a neutron microscope and wouldn’t even notice it.
If the coin were in your inventory, how would you describe it?
Something along the lines of: “An attractive example with pleasing color and an especially clean obverse. There are a number of minor reverse marks, as well as a prominent one on the upper left portion of the eagle’s left (facing) wing.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Did you pay CAC bid or less? If so, you could offer it back to CAC.
I’m not under the impression that the OP owns the coin. Did I miss a post to that effect?
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I misread his post. I’m wrong, and you are correct.