Counterfeit 1895 O Morgan MS-61 in PCGS slab Cert # 25312502 ( 7236.61/25312502 )

ifthevamzarockin · January 9, 2022 9:56PM

This slab number has popped up several times in my internet searches.
These photos are from listings in different parts of the country so it's not the same coin popping up in different places.
It would appear this number is being used by overseas counterfeiters.
I'm not sure what it would take to get a note put on the look up page with something like
"Counterfeits Known Fake Holder & Coin"
There is not a TrueView to help someone double checking the coin.
The genuine coin is on the market and I don't know if the owner of the coin and PCGS could work together to re-holder it.
Even if nothing can be done to re-holder it or make a note on the look up page this thread might be found online to warn others.

Counterfeit

Counterfeit

Counterfeit

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Genuine
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/25312502

Farmer1961 · January 9, 2022 10:07PM

It's a good thing some of you guys are on top of these con men. Scary there are counterfeit coins AND holders out there!

burfle23 · January 9, 2022 10:08PM

A previous listing:

ifthevamzarockin · January 9, 2022 10:14PM

@burfle23 "A previous listing:"

That looks like the same coin as my photo #3

Martin · January 9, 2022 10:30PM

@ifthevamzarockin you are good

Martin

MsMorrisine · January 9, 2022 11:21PM

These are the easy ones

ifthevamzarockin · January 9, 2022 11:25PM

@Martin Thank you!

@MsMorrisine Easy for people who know but some not as educated will see a PCGS slab and trust that.

MsMorrisine · January 9, 2022 11:28PM

True.

It certainly drives home that there are counterfeit holders.

Metal · January 9, 2022 11:49PM

PIcture 3 just looks like a fake coin, and the first two are so mint, there's no way they're an MS61. Even to a novice like me, the pristine conditions of those coins immediately threw up a red flag.

ricko · January 10, 2022 8:15AM

Thanks for posting this.... Information such as this is highly educational for collectors - new or experienced. Cheers, RickO

ifthevamzarockin · January 10, 2022 12:09PM

Anyone know if there is another place on the site to report problems like this to PCGS?

MsMorrisine · January 10, 2022 12:11PM

I know of no dedicated contact for counterfeit reports

burfle23 · January 10, 2022 11:15PM

@ifthevamzarockin said:
Anyone know if there is another place on the site to report problems like this to PCGS?

I posted this here but it didn't appear to get any real attention...

https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1068143/how-should-this-be-properly-reported-to-pcgs-incorrectly-attributed-coin-holder-for-sale-on-line/p1

Metal · January 10, 2022 11:44PM

If you really want to get their attention, send one in for a reholder.

ifthevamzarockin · January 11, 2022 12:02AM

@burfle23 I followed your post. The only thing we can do is try.

@Metal I would not be surprised if PCGS has had a counterfeit PCGS slab submitted to them.

Joey29 · January 11, 2022 3:27AM

@burfle23 said:
A previous listing:

How do you distinguish this counterfeit coin from a polished cleaned coin?

Metal · January 11, 2022 4:26AM

Um, it's straight graded and also her hair looks like crap. Looking like crap, notwithstanding, it would have a details grade if it were cleaned.

burfle23 · January 11, 2022 8:03AM

@Joey29 said:

@burfle23 said:
A previous listing:

How do you distinguish this counterfeit coin from a polished cleaned coin?

I do a side by side comparison to a genuine example; in this case to the genuine slabbed one!

Pretty apparent from this:

johnny9434 · January 11, 2022 9:00AM

good eye and what a shame carp like that is out there

robkool · January 11, 2022 2:19PM

An expensive lesson for the unsuspected buyer...

lkenefic · January 11, 2022 2:40PM

Dang!! The real coin looks to have super clean fields...

Joey29 · January 12, 2022 1:23AM

@burfle23 said:

@Joey29 said:

@burfle23 said:
A previous listing:

How do you distinguish this counterfeit coin from a polished cleaned coin?

I do a side by side comparison to a genuine example; in this case to the genuine slabbed one!

Pretty apparent from this:

Cast coin it appears

DennisH · January 12, 2022 7:05AM

For being a 61 I really like the real coin!

Namvet69 · January 12, 2022 7:12AM

I think PCGS should add an official fake warning, given the documentation so far. IMHO. Peace Roy

ifthevamzarockin · January 14, 2022 12:34AM

I missed these 2 listings.

ifthevamzarockin · January 14, 2022 1:14AM

Dang! One more

burfle23 · January 14, 2022 8:36AM

Looks like the $14K was not a real sale, as it was then relisted for $10K and ended.

The $7600 sale has a positive feedback- go figure...

ifthevamzarockin · January 14, 2022 9:23AM

Thanks burfle23 I didn't notice that.

Even if the 14K sale didn't pan out it looks like the others did and shows the need for a warning on the cert page.

BuffaloIronTail · January 14, 2022 1:57PM

This stuff makes me sick!

Pete

Counterfeit 1895 O Morgan MS-61 in PCGS slab Cert # 25312502 ( 7236.61/25312502 )

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