Counterfeit 1895 O Morgan MS-61 in PCGS slab Cert # 25312502 ( 7236.61/25312502 )
ifthevamzarockin
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This slab number has popped up several times in my internet searches.
These photos are from listings in different parts of the country so it's not the same coin popping up in different places.
It would appear this number is being used by overseas counterfeiters.
I'm not sure what it would take to get a note put on the look up page with something like
"Counterfeits Known Fake Holder & Coin"
There is not a TrueView to help someone double checking the coin.
The genuine coin is on the market and I don't know if the owner of the coin and PCGS could work together to re-holder it.
Even if nothing can be done to re-holder it or make a note on the look up page this thread might be found online to warn others.
Counterfeit
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Genuine
https://www.pcgs.com/cert/25312502
Comments
It's a good thing some of you guys are on top of these con men. Scary there are counterfeit coins AND holders out there!
A previous listing:
@burfle23 "A previous listing:"
That looks like the same coin as my photo #3
@ifthevamzarockin you are good
Martin
These are the easy ones
@Martin Thank you!
@MsMorrisine Easy for people who know but some not as educated will see a PCGS slab and trust that.
True.
It certainly drives home that there are counterfeit holders.
PIcture 3 just looks like a fake coin, and the first two are so mint, there's no way they're an MS61. Even to a novice like me, the pristine conditions of those coins immediately threw up a red flag.
Thanks for posting this.... Information such as this is highly educational for collectors - new or experienced. Cheers, RickO
Anyone know if there is another place on the site to report problems like this to PCGS?
I know of no dedicated contact for counterfeit reports
I posted this here but it didn't appear to get any real attention...
https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1068143/how-should-this-be-properly-reported-to-pcgs-incorrectly-attributed-coin-holder-for-sale-on-line/p1
If you really want to get their attention, send one in for a reholder.
@burfle23 I followed your post. The only thing we can do is try.
@Metal I would not be surprised if PCGS has had a counterfeit PCGS slab submitted to them.
How do you distinguish this counterfeit coin from a polished cleaned coin?
Um, it's straight graded and also her hair looks like crap. Looking like crap, notwithstanding, it would have a details grade if it were cleaned.
I do a side by side comparison to a genuine example; in this case to the genuine slabbed one!
Pretty apparent from this:
good eye and what a shame carp like that is out there
An expensive lesson for the unsuspected buyer...
Dang!! The real coin looks to have super clean fields...
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Cast coin it appears
For being a 61 I really like the real coin!
I think PCGS should add an official fake warning, given the documentation so far. IMHO. Peace Roy
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I missed these 2 listings.
Dang! One more
Looks like the $14K was not a real sale, as it was then relisted for $10K and ended.
The $7600 sale has a positive feedback- go figure...
Thanks burfle23 I didn't notice that.
Even if the 14K sale didn't pan out it looks like the others did and shows the need for a warning on the cert page.
This stuff makes me sick!
Pete