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braddickbraddick Posts: 25,113 ✭✭✭✭✭
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I highly doubt PCGS would encapsulate it even with a genuine insert.

Your thoughts?

(I don't have a reverse photo but it is equally as terrible.)


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    hummingbird_coinshummingbird_coins Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would have thought more like "environmental damage". That looks like a metal detecting find, with the green patina flaking off.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    surprised that it wasn't conserved first. I think grading services are more likely to slab the very early date stuff. would probably give that a long acetone bath to remove all the green crud if it were mine.

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    gumby1234gumby1234 Posts: 5,901 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MsMorrisine said:
    Acetone bath will do nothing for verdigris

    Then a regular coin dip. Something to remove that crud.

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    The_Dinosaur_ManThe_Dinosaur_Man Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭✭✭

    At least NGC made some money on the coin. I like it, even with the corrosion.

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    Walkerguy21DWalkerguy21D Posts: 12,093 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    Acetone bath will do nothing for verdigris

    Then a regular coin dip. Something to remove that crud.

    I think it’s in flat out need of a burnishing, down to the F/Vf level.
    I love large cents, but that’s a disaster as-is.

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    HoldTheMayoHoldTheMayo Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    Idk what you guys are talking about, this has gem written all over it. Just needs a green CAC sticker to really seal the deal B)

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    bearcavebearcave Posts: 3,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    😯

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    RayboRaybo Posts: 5,352 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great detail, I like it!

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gumby1234 said:
    surprised that it wasn't conserved first. I think grading services are more likely to slab the very early date stuff. would probably give that a long acetone bath to remove all the green crud if it were mine.

    Acetone will not remove it.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,222 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 25, 2021 8:40AM

    @gumby1234 said:

    @MsMorrisine said:
    Acetone bath will do nothing for verdigris

    Then a regular coin dip. Something to remove that crud.

    You are better off leaving the patina. Otherwise you will end up with an ugly pitted surface

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    relicsncoinsrelicsncoins Posts: 8,279 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Definite metal detecting find.

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    Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,915 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love it.

    Dave

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,740 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HoldTheMayo said:
    Idk what you guys are talking about, this has gem written all over it. Just needs a green CAC sticker to really seal the deal B)

    Doesn't even need that, since it's already green.

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    I highly doubt PCGS would encapsulate it even with a genuine insert.

    Your thoughts?

    (I don't have a reverse photo but it is equally as terrible.)


    PCGS is now grading Disney rounds and PCGS Currency is grading Disney paper money. I’m sure Hasbro (maker of Monopoly) will be in line soon sure enough.

    At this point, I’m convinced the services will literally slab anything.

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    2ltdjorn2ltdjorn Posts: 2,330 ✭✭✭✭

    yikes.

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    JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice toning

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    robkoolrobkool Posts: 5,934 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice character !!!

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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,174 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If priced right a budget collector will love to have it. Its date starts with a "17" and that is a big draw in itself.

    There is no reason it should not have been slabbed. It is a "details" coin and was slabbed as such.

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    TonerGuyTonerGuy Posts: 590 ✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    I don't understand the attitude. That coin was not straight graded. It is in an environmental damage holder, appropriately.

    The patina should be stable. I see no reason why any grading service should refuse to slab it.

    Agreed...

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wouldn't be interested in a coin that has corrosion like that.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,409 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think the green is stable. I've been digging coins for decades and a decrease in humidity usually causes the verdigris to flake off. The slightest vibration to the holder shall result in sloughing off of that layer. IMO. I like the strength of the design detail present but I'd gave soaked this coin in warm mineral oil for a few weeks. Peace Roy

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 25, 2021 12:00PM

    @relicsncoins said:
    Definite metal detecting find.

    Most likely but it may have stored for many years in a very damp environment to get that corrosion.

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    JimTylerJimTyler Posts: 4,060 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Jimnight said:
    I wouldn't be interested in a coin that has corrosion like that.

    You wouldn’t pay $1.00 ? $2.00 ? There is always a price something would sell.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @relicsncoins said:
    Definite metal detecting find.

    Is this a serious question? Assuming that it is, a metal detector find is usually a coin or other metal object such as a button or belt buckle that has been lost and subsequently buried and later found by someone using a metal detector. For more information on this subject, ask your question on the Metal Detector Forum here.

    I don’t see a question.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Certainly appears to be a dug coin (found in the ground, usually by metal detecting).... I would submit such a coin for encapsulation.... Deserves preservation. Cheers, RickO

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    jabbajabba Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I love it definitely a coin worth preserving


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    burfle23burfle23 Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My example; a very rare variety of a scarce type I paid to have it attributed and slabbed...

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    BUFFNIXXBUFFNIXX Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A pretty wretched looking penny but still OK in a details holder

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    braddickbraddick Posts: 25,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Both NGC and PCGS will bodybag many problem coins still.

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    jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 41,222 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Namvet69 said:
    I don't think the green is stable. I've been digging coins for decades and a decrease in humidity usually causes the verdigris to flake off. The slightest vibration to the holder shall result in sloughing off of that layer. IMO. I like the strength of the design detail present but I'd gave soaked this coin in warm mineral oil for a few weeks. Peace Roy

    Thousands of ancients have been slabbed. I've never once seen the patina flake of in the slab.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 16,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @braddick said:
    Both NGC and PCGS will bodybag many problem coins still.

    Most of the problems listed on the pictured sticker aren’t ones which preclude encapsulation. That is, unless the submitter declines it in the absence of a straight grade.

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    privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,794 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Meltdown said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @cameonut2011 said:

    @braddick said:
    I highly doubt PCGS would encapsulate it even with a genuine insert.

    Your thoughts?

    (I don't have a reverse photo but it is equally as terrible.)


    PCGS is now grading Disney rounds and PCGS Currency is grading Disney paper money. I’m sure Hasbro (maker of Monopoly) will be in line soon sure enough.

    At this point, I’m convinced the services will literally slab anything.

    Didn't PCGS slab a dead cricket? :D

    I was thinking about sending this one in...
    .

    Go for it. Looks like an octopus is eating him alive.... 😆

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Exactly as that is an option.

    @MFeld said:

    @braddick said:
    Both NGC and PCGS will bodybag many problem coins still.

    Most of the problems listed on the pictured sticker aren’t ones which preclude encapsulation. That is, unless the submitter declines it in the absence of a straight grade.

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @messydesk said:

    @HoldTheMayo said:
    Idk what you guys are talking about, this has gem written all over it. Just needs a green CAC sticker to really seal the deal B)

    Doesn't even need that, since it's already green.

    It is already a green stinker.

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,519 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 25, 2021 12:01PM

    .

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    moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @PerryHall said:

    @MFeld said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @relicsncoins said:
    Definite metal detecting find.

    Is this a serious question? Assuming that it is, a metal detector find is usually a coin or other metal object such as a button or belt buckle that has been lost and subsequently buried and later found by someone using a metal detector. For more information on this subject, ask your question on the Metal Detector Forum here.

    I don’t see a question.

    Thank you for sharing that with us.

    Relicsncoins said "Definite", not "Define". After that, hilarity and stupidity ensue as people respond inappropriately...

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    goldengolden Posts: 10,455 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Save the image and repost it on St. Patrick's Day.

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    BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,742 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HoldTheMayo said:
    Idk what you guys are talking about, this has gem written all over it. Just needs a green CAC sticker to really seal the deal B)

    At least the coin and the sticker would match green.

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Corrosion" or "Environmental Damage"... Pot-A-to, Pot-AH-to... I think the "issue" is adequately conveyed on the slab. FWIW... I've tried to soak coins like this in olive oil for months (to a year) with limited "success". I put success in air-quotes because if you manage to get the green stuff off, you probably won't like what's underneath...

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    leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,542 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @HoldTheMayo said:
    Idk what you guys are talking about, this has gem written all over it. Just needs a green CAC sticker to really seal the deal B)

    Make it red and it'd look more Christmascy, :D

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    PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 47,519 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @MFeld said:

    @PerryHall said:

    @relicsncoins said:
    Definite metal detecting find.

    Is this a serious question? Assuming that it is, a metal detector find is usually a coin or other metal object such as a button or belt buckle that has been lost and subsequently buried and later found by someone using a metal detector. For more information on this subject, ask your question on the Metal Detector Forum here.

    I don’t see a question.

    Thank you for sharing that with us.

    Relicsncoins said "Definite", not "Define". After that, hilarity and stupidity ensue as people respond inappropriately...

    Yea. I misread his post. My bad. :#

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    cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,458 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MFeld said:

    @braddick said:
    I highly doubt PCGS would encapsulate it even with a genuine insert.

    Your thoughts?

    (I don't have a reverse photo but it is equally as terrible.)

    Pat, why are you surprised the coin was “graded”?

    My thinking is quite similar to that of @jmlanzaf:

    “ I don't understand the attitude. That coin was not straight graded. It is in an environmental damage holder, appropriately.

    The patina should be stable. I see no reason why any grading service should refuse to slab it.”

    I’ll bite. I’m not convinced that it is stable and that it might not deteriorate in the holder, and the grade “XF details” is still a grade and subject to further decrease if the coin’s quality continues to deteriorate.

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