Winner, winner chicken dinner! Acetone Wash.
joeykoins
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Well, what do ya know!
Finally. Kinda rough and dirty, but certainly an AWESOME DDO! My first 1936 dd. The $33 wheatie
bag paid off. What do you guys think? Anyway to make it more presentable without harming the coin? What grade guys? Thanks You! 
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Nice score!
My last of the 670 wheat bag search too!
Found in the 661st coin in the bag.
All together, found about 10 very nice coins. Nothing as close to this baby.
Will an acetone bath harm the coin?
May have a little rub next to the 6?
Thanks guys.
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--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Great find!
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Very nice, Joey! That one pays for the bag!
Don’t know about any of your questions, really, but maybe a nice Fine (F15? If I’m way off, my bad).
Nice one!
Nice find!
I would just leave it alone.
Acetone can do funny things to copper.
But if you must......
It looks kind of dull; maybe try some noise grease or a small bit of mineral oil.
When you say "a little rub next to the 6" are you thinking this is in the AU55-MS63 range?
I do not use acetone on copper cents. From what I recall from other members in the past, acetone can leave the copper looking orange in color. I agree with Mannie to leave it as is. However if you believe there is a need to remove something that could affect the surfaces over time, then use mineral oil to soak the coin.
F-12. That’s a nice coin, Joey!😉
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Nice find! Good pictures too.
Far too beat up to generate much interest among serious variety collectors. If you can get a premium for it take the money and run!
That's a great little error coin. I admire your persistence. Having Looked through thousands for that one, I'll say :"my eyes are tired". !
Last few years , I just bag 'em (wheat cents) without searching.
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Nice find @joeykoins .
Don't try to improve the looks of the coin, bad things will happen.
Wayne
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Neat find Joey. I would imagine F15. I didn't know there was such a beast. Congrats.
Jim
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Nice DDO#1, I've found a bunch of 1936 DDOs in low grades searching rolls and bags, but most of them have been die #3. I'd grade it Fine and I'd leave it alone, it has an acceptable amount of dirt for the grade.
Sean Reynolds
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Acetone might help and it never hurts. Acetone should be considered a staple in every coin collector's coin improvement arsenal. The organic gunk should come off with a little gentle coaxing with a toothpick after acetone soak.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
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"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I like the progress. I would try to soak a little more of that gunk off. I also like to add a touch of oil to copper after an acetone soak. Acetone just seems to strip copper a lot and make it look dry.
Went from looking like a Fine to a VG!
(I like it though and it is a cool find as others have declared.)
peacockcoins
Very nice find @JoeyCoins ... and good work with the acetone. Cheers, RickO
After the acetone wash the buyers should be bombarding you with cash offers! Take your profit!
Sending it in to be graded?
Wayne
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Nice find! I like it better before the dip, but obviously I am an outlier.
This is when I'd put a tiny bit of oil on the remaining crud and poke it with a stick (thorn or cactus spine) under a stereoscope.
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Your perseverance in searching is admirable!
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
Damn cool find!!!!!!!!!!!!
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
if you take off too much gunk from around the devices, you risk getting a 'cleaned' when graded
I agree with you...looked much better pre-acetone.
If you are going to send it to PCGS or NGC for grading I would et them conserve this coin. Any idea what the current market value is of this coin? Not sure if it makes economic sense to get it slabbed depending on its value.
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Much better looking coin after acetone in my considered opinion.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
As a matter of fact, I showed my dealer friend the coin today! Unfortunately, he said the value is probably only $20-$25.
Oh well, still an AWESOME variety find!
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Nice score.
Is it possible he gave you a low ball value because he thinks you may try to sell it to him in the future?
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Good point! It's Possible? What value would you place on it? If you can determine from my pictures? Thanks.
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I'm not a Lincoln cent specialist but perhaps someone else here who is can help you. It looks like a rare variety in a very popular coin series.
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"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
To me the value is one cent ... and I am not joking. It may be an interesting variety but, as I said earlier, it is too far gone to be of much interest to serious variety collectors. If someone makes a decent offer on it ... take it.
Has anyone on the board contacted you with an offer? If they haven't this may be telling you something. Most cherry-pickers only cherry-pick. They don't pay premiums.
If someone offered me $20 for that coin it would be on its way to them post haste!
I have several rolls of 55 cents I plan to evaluate one-by-one on a rainy day sometime soon. I thought acetone was only for silver coins and for copper cents you use the e-zest solution.
Back in the 60s when whizzing was popular there was a guy that could turn any coin into a proof coin! Unfortunately PCGS didn’t see it that way - and when he sent them all in for grading he got a “details - harshly cleaned” and nearly all of them. He has since put up the wire brush and now just uses e-zest or acetone ... he had a few really nice coins too.
Remember where I found this. In the 670 wheat bag I picked up from a first time visit LCS. So he might of knowingly threw the variety in thinking it's not too valuable? But besides that, is this coin that real bad off?
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.E-Zest will make a copper coin turn pink. Dealers call them pinkies and avoid them or coin doctors buy them cheap and put stuff like Dellers Darkener on them in an attempt to try and make them market acceptable again but many end up looking too dark when they do that.
Mr_Spud
Some auction results for lower grade examples:
https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/details/1936-dbld-die-obv-type-1-ms/37748
Thanks for the info.
I noticed even a "Detailed" one was sold for over $45. Wow! So maybe my coin has a real chance for value? Thanks
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.Agree, no reason to mess with a coin that has already lived a tough but useful life. I like the coin better prior to the wash. Then again, I'm not a big Lincoln cent variety collector.
Mark
Don't forget that it was slabbed and that slabbing costs money! Take the $20 as is ... if someone offer that much!
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.I like the coin better prior to the wash.
So, you and a couple more, actually liked the coin better with all the gunk around the letters and numbers? Ok
"Jesus died for you and for me, Thank you,Jesus"!!!
--- If it should happen I die and leave this world and you want to remember me. Please only remember my opening Sig Line.If you sell it raw, sure. The VF details coin was certified by ANACS, which means they paid $15 + $12 (variety attri +$24 (shipping/insurance). In other words, that sale was a net loss if they had sent the coin in for certification by itself.
Also, consider this: an ANACS XF40 details example just sold on eBay for $13.50:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/324743465477?hash=item4b9c380a05:g:LOEAAOSwFAJhDdub
On the other hand, here's a raw coin with some reverse rim damage that just sold for $32 on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/284480177153?hash=item423c570401:g:N24AAOSw3Y1hX2tc&nma=true&si=RDiKOrDQWzftkqBC1fERBIgRKVg%3D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
I guess it looks washed out now to me. Cleaning it up does nothing to the coin grade, it can only go against you IMO. I always err on the side of caution and leave it alone and let the purchaser make the decision on cleaning. They may end up paying more thinking they can do a professional job restoring it.
Either way you found a decent variety at a great price even if you only get $20-$25 or so unslabbed you can reinvest your proceeds if you don't plan on keeping it.
Mark
You have created your own irrelevant price guide, good for you.
I would be interested to see you take a common 194x cent from your bag that has a similar look with gunk like your 1936ddo did before the soak. Take that cent and get a good before photo. Soak it like you did the 36 and gently poke the gunk away. Take another photo, It will probably have that dry oil stripped look. Then take a drop of mineral oil and slick up your fingers then press/squeeze the cent between your oiled fingers a couple times. It is a circulated cent so it is used to handling but be careful not to rub and put any new abrasions on it. Any new scratches or abrasions will shine bright against the darker background. Let that oil soak in for a bit and then pat off any excess oil if there is any. Then take a final photo. Line up the series of photos and lets see what you can do... or maybe shouldn't do...
Yeah, his coin almost looks like the same condition my coin has, no?
Minus the rim damage.
Thanks
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