Contemporary Counterfeit Draped Bust or Flowing Hair Dollar (or half dollar)..anybody have one?
Give this one more go, just in case there's one lurking in forum land.
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I have a 1796 16 star Flowing Hair Dollar. Not sure whether it is a Contemporary Counterfeit or not, just a counterfeit.
Jim
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That doesn’t look remotely “contemporary”.
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Guaranteed not contemporary
Frank
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A contemporary counterfeit would be made from a silver coated base metal such as lead or pewter and was intended to be spent.
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It looks like it was made last month in Asia...
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Well, at least it’s “a freshly made product.”
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That would be a Draped Bust, Not a Flowing Hair.
@jesbroken said:
I have a 1796 16 star Flowing Hair Dollar. Not sure whether it is a Contemporary Counterfeit or not, just a counterfeit.
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I keep looking for "COPY" somewhere on that coin.
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@PerryHall said:
I keep looking for "COPY" somewhere on that coin.me too but since i don't see it , i'll take the time to remind members here that if it doesn't, it is technically illegal to sell but not illegal to own. also, sending it across state lines for a sale ramps up the charges, so be careful.
at the very least, it would be a rather large PIA to have to defend one's self in that unlikely event, either to a cop, SS or a judge.
on-topic, i'm not sure if i have a period counterfeit for those 2 types. not sure why the appear to be so scarce considering at that time 50c and $1 were a lot of money. perhaps the counterfeiters were too poor to afford an example to copy!
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@LanceNewmanOCC said:
@PerryHall said:
I keep looking for "COPY" somewhere on that coin.me too but since i don't see it , i'll take the time to remind members here that if it doesn't, it is technically illegal to sell but not illegal to own. also, sending it across state lines for a sale ramps up the charges, so be careful.
at the very least, it would be a rather large PIA to have to defend one's self in that unlikely event, either to a cop, SS or a judge.
on-topic, i'm not sure if i have a period counterfeit for those 2 types. not sure why the appear to be so scarce considering at that time 50c and $1 were a lot of money. perhaps the counterfeiters were too poor to afford an example to copy!
The Hobby Protection Act which requires COPY on replica coins was passed in 1973. Coins made before 1973 don't have this requirement. That said, this coin looks like is was just made sometime this year.
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CC maybe. Fake Civil War Dog Tag. Obverse Capped Bust reverse Drapped Bust
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@LanceNewmanOCC said:
on-topic, i'm not sure if i have a period counterfeit for those 2 types. not sure why the appear to be so scarce considering at that time 50c and $1 were a lot of money. perhaps the counterfeiters were too poor to afford an example to copy!
My guess is that since 8 reales were far more common in trade at that time than early dollars were, the counterfeiters may have just focused on making those?
US dollars were a bit exotic back then, in your every day transaction I'm thinking?
That might have made them a bit hard to pass off, versus the 8R..1 -
It would be cool if anyone here had some more info.. archived pics or whatever.
I'm guessing they are rare but most likely exist!0 -
@amwldcoin Sorry about the mislabel.
@PerryHall
The Hobby Protection Act which requires COPY on replica coins was passed in 1973. Coins made before 1973 don't have this requirement. That said, this coin looks like is was just made sometime this year.This counterfeit and a $4 Stella I bought at a coin show in Baltimore in 2009. The Stella is marked replica. Have no idea who I purchased them from. Bought them out of curiosity as the weight is totally light, no doubt as to its originality.
Jim
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very interesting discussions about modern fakes... not what I was asking about though.
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Here is a link to photos and descriptions of some...
cccbhcc.com/before-davignons.html1 -
@cwt said:
Here is a link to photos and descriptions of some...
cccbhcc.com/before-davignons.htmlAha, missed it before but this is a cool link to a very interesting site.. here are a few pics of my faves.
Seems these are exceedingly rare and probably why replies to this thread were few..
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I have plenty of the latest Chinese junk and later period contemporaries; this is the closest to the OP's quest I have
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Amazing!
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Not counterfeits but I definitely have silver bullion with the coin designs of Morgan, trade etc.
I think it was my sub conscious fascination with numismatics that caused them to be collected.
Also have smaller sized silver rounds featuring the Mercury design, copper round of the IHP and so on
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How about a cent?
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@jesbroken said:
I have a 1796 16 star Flowing Hair Dollar. Not sure whether it is a Contemporary Counterfeit or not, just a counterfeit.
JimModern Counterfeit
Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.0 -
Yup..
The modern carp is what it is. Buy them if you like them for whatever reason, but not what I'm talking about..
Contemporary counterfeits were made Contemporary to the time the coins they imitate circulated, by counterfeiters trying to pass fake coins as real, for face value. Not to fool coin collectors .
The 4 that I posted above are extremely rare, basically museum pieces, so it's no surprise this thread isn't filling up with bogus FH and DB pieces... I was hoping some members might have some, but now I realize how uncommon they are, it's seeming unlikely..😄1
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