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What would you grade this 1921 peace dollar?

PppPpp Posts: 519 ✭✭✭✭
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I am planning to send in a raw 1921 peace dollar to pcgs. I thought it would be interesting to see what grade people on this forum would give it.
I plan to post the results once received from pcgs.


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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,360 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Need better pictures. Looks XF details in that photo.

  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,287 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Details due to cleaning. I agree with XF details.

  • AercusAercus Posts: 381 ✭✭✭✭

    It looks polished to me as well.

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  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Probably polished. Ungradable with that photo.

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,921 ✭✭✭✭✭

    IMO
    Don't bother to grade.
    Wayne

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  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Harshly cleaned, save your $

  • goldengolden Posts: 9,904 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't waste your money.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I grade it about 75$ at this point

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  • GoldbullyGoldbully Posts: 17,630 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ppp said:
    Thank you for your comments.
    Part of me was hoping the comments were going to be different. I am glad I posted before I did anything.
    Good news, I saved money since I won’t send it in and it still is a 1921.

    I think I will just buy a nice graded ms 1921 someday.
    🙂

    Good for you.

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good call triple P! Just keep it and enjoy it for what it’s worth as you will see a lot better already graded.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I think xf details is a bit generous... Vf details for PCGS... Maybe xf for anacs..

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  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ppp.... Good decision.... Be happy with a 1921 Peace right now... they are hot, so just having one is good. Cheers, RickO

  • Golden1Golden1 Posts: 208 ✭✭✭

    Looks like a pocket coin. Use to start a conversation with young'uns that have never seen real money before.

  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Polished and damaged. No chance it will straight-grade. As photographed, it's hard to tell what's strike weakness and what's wear, but there's enough hair detail for me to think it's an AU/UNC without the damage.

    @moursund said:
    I think xf details is a bit generous... Vf details for PCGS... Maybe xf for anacs..

    No chance it's that low. I'll buy every VF 1921 Peace you can sell me with these details.

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @airplanenut said:
    Polished and damaged. No chance it will straight-grade. As photographed, it's hard to tell what's strike weakness and what's wear, but there's enough hair detail for me to think it's an AU/UNC without the damage.

    @moursund said:
    I think xf details is a bit generous... Vf details for PCGS... Maybe xf for anacs..

    No chance it's that low. I'll buy every VF 1921 Peace you can sell me with these details.

    I have some (common date) peace dollars that I graded VF that have similar details... but I graded those without looking at pcgs photograde. Wow! the reverse of the xf40 peace dollar on photograde looks pretty bad... I've apparently been grading my peace dollars too conservatively, and I stand corrected!

    Surprisingly (to me) worn out looking xf40 pcgs photograde image. You're kidding me, PCGS... THIS is XF?!?

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  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

    @airplanenut said:
    Polished and damaged. No chance it will straight-grade. As photographed, it's hard to tell what's strike weakness and what's wear, but there's enough hair detail for me to think it's an AU/UNC without the damage.

    @moursund said:
    I think xf details is a bit generous... Vf details for PCGS... Maybe xf for anacs..

    No chance it's that low. I'll buy every VF 1921 Peace you can sell me with these details.

    I have some (common date) peace dollars that I graded VF that have similar details... but I graded those without looking at pcgs photograde. Wow! the reverse of the xf40 peace dollar on photograde looks pretty bad... I've apparently been grading my peace dollars too conservatively, and I stand corrected!

    Surprisingly (to me) worn out looking xf40 pcgs photograde image. You're kidding me, PCGS... THIS is XF?!?

    Between some strike weakness and lighting that exacerbates it, that's not an ideal photo for Photograde in that I guarantee the peripheral details are stronger on that coin that the photo lets on. That said, I wouldn't compare a 1921 to any other year. The combination of the high relief strike and the fact that so many 1921s were struck very poorly opens up the possibility for their details to look significantly different compared to any other date in the same grade.

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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @airplanenut said:

    @moursund said:

    @airplanenut said:
    Polished and damaged. No chance it will straight-grade. As photographed, it's hard to tell what's strike weakness and what's wear, but there's enough hair detail for me to think it's an AU/UNC without the damage.

    @moursund said:
    I think xf details is a bit generous... Vf details for PCGS... Maybe xf for anacs..

    No chance it's that low. I'll buy every VF 1921 Peace you can sell me with these details.

    I have some (common date) peace dollars that I graded VF that have similar details... but I graded those without looking at pcgs photograde. Wow! the reverse of the xf40 peace dollar on photograde looks pretty bad... I've apparently been grading my peace dollars too conservatively, and I stand corrected!

    Between some strike weakness and lighting that exacerbates it, that's not an ideal photo for Photograde in that I guarantee the peripheral details are stronger on that coin that the photo lets on. That said, I wouldn't compare a 1921 to any other year. The combination of the high relief strike and the fact that so many 1921s were struck very poorly opens up the possibility for their details to look significantly different compared to any other date in the same grade.

    Ha! I was actually thinking about that, that the 1921 probably looks "worse for the grade" than the other dates. I have ~12 rolls of circulated Peace dollars, but I haven't looked at many 1921s

    Now, is "the fact that so many 1921s were struck very poorly" entirely because of the high relief, or are there other factors?

    Thanks!
    am

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  • ThreeCentSilverFLThreeCentSilverFL Posts: 1,694 ✭✭✭✭✭

    OP pics look like a polished coin.

  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,283 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @moursund said:

    @airplanenut said:

    @moursund said:

    @airplanenut said:
    Polished and damaged. No chance it will straight-grade. As photographed, it's hard to tell what's strike weakness and what's wear, but there's enough hair detail for me to think it's an AU/UNC without the damage.

    @moursund said:
    I think xf details is a bit generous... Vf details for PCGS... Maybe xf for anacs..

    No chance it's that low. I'll buy every VF 1921 Peace you can sell me with these details.

    I have some (common date) peace dollars that I graded VF that have similar details... but I graded those without looking at pcgs photograde. Wow! the reverse of the xf40 peace dollar on photograde looks pretty bad... I've apparently been grading my peace dollars too conservatively, and I stand corrected!

    Between some strike weakness and lighting that exacerbates it, that's not an ideal photo for Photograde in that I guarantee the peripheral details are stronger on that coin that the photo lets on. That said, I wouldn't compare a 1921 to any other year. The combination of the high relief strike and the fact that so many 1921s were struck very poorly opens up the possibility for their details to look significantly different compared to any other date in the same grade.

    Ha! I was actually thinking about that, that the 1921 probably looks "worse for the grade" than the other dates. I have ~12 rolls of circulated Peace dollars, but I haven't looked at many 1921s

    Now, is "the fact that so many 1921s were struck very poorly" entirely because of the high relief, or are there other factors?

    Thanks!
    am

    The relief made it really difficult to strike the coins fully, which is why the relief was lowered in 1922. I believe striking issues were the same reason the Saints had their relief reduced.

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  • PppPpp Posts: 519 ✭✭✭✭

    FYI here are pictures of the same coin with better lighting just for comparison. I didn’t like how dark the original pictures looked.
    I agree with comments to date. Thank you.
    Wish me luck in my pursuit for an ms 1921 in the near future.
    😃



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  • moursundmoursund Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 15, 2021 4:40PM

    Ahh... NOW I can see clearly the 3 layers on feathers on the reverse. And they look cleaned. :smile:

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  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,392 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My pocket Peace thanks to BST seller:

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  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,260 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 15, 2021 5:44PM

    I don't want to get called for "piling on" so I'll just agree with everybody that noted the cleaning , hence the details XF, and not worth the grading fees! :)

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  • logger7logger7 Posts: 8,761 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'd sell it as a buy it now with offers on ebay as these are strong now. I sold a problem VG for $125 or so and problem xf/aus for around $200.

  • Steven59Steven59 Posts: 9,260 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ppp said:
    (FYI here are pictures of the same coin with better lighting just for comparison. I didn’t like how dark the original pictures looked)

    But the originals did their job of hiding the hairlines!

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