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Going to the Moon? Proof copper and clad Ike on cent and dime planchet
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1972-S Cent and Dime Eisenhower Dollar Mated Pair = NGC PR67 RD CAM and NGC PR67
This mated pair has the Ike reverse moon in copper!
Given that this is a unique combination of two different planchets and the recent success of the 3 dime planchet clover at $105k, where do you think this one will end up?
It's amazing that these exist.
I wonder what @PCGSPhoto would do with this for a TrueView? Has PCGS ever put two different planchets on to the same TrueView?
Does this deserve to be in the 100 Greatest U.S. Error Coins book?
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I just love unique errors, almost like they were made to order.
It is not amazing that these exist. They exist because they were deliberately made by somebody that wanted to sell them for a profit. That's called "Greed!"
A-Greed. It's amazing there aren't more of them. Maybe a whole set: dime & nickel, nickel and cent, dime and cent, two quarters.
Interesting title on the slab.... "Unique 'penny'/dime..." Slowly creeping into the hobby lexicon... Cheers, RickO
Ricko- it’s extremely unusual for NGC to actually put ‘UNIQUE’ on the insert. Clearly they saw this mated pair as a very special numismatic item.
I just can't get behind these. No way they were made accidentally, and obviously made for profit.
Zions- Yes you are correct. The 3 piece Ike Clover realized 105k in the recent Heritage Auction, and this mated pair is in the Heritage ANA Platinum Night session.
Now that is an error I find fascinating. Thanks for sharing. Fun to see things like this here.
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I wonder if this was part of the California Abandoned Safety Deposit Box sale a number if years ago. It seems like a lot of "unbelievable" errors came from there.
There seems to be a number of early 70's proof "errors" like the quarters struck over Barber quarters and 1941 Canadian quarter, so it's not unreasonable to suspect that a midnight minter was involved, IMO
While I find the item quite impressive at the same time I don’t assign it much value. It’s just a fantasy piece someone at the mint made for whatever reason. Others will value it differently and that’s OK with me. I feel pieces like this are akin to artificial toning. Someone helped it along and it didn’t “just happen” as part of the normal course of time and events.
TurtleCat Gold Dollars
I think his point was that they used the term penny instead of cent.
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In order to come out like that, someone had to set those planchets in the press by hand.
No doubt a nice one of a kind error, but of course a "made" one of a kind error, IMHOP.
Pete
It's nice that these planchets were set by hand and obviously a lot more went into aligning these go get a great strike, but are all proof planchets set by hand?
The US Mint indicates that regular proof coin planchets are "hand-polished" and regular uncirculated coins are "hand-loaded into the coining press". From this I would assume regular proof coins are also "hand-loaded into the coining press". Can anyone confirm if this is true?
This actually reminds me of Aston Martin and Ferrari cars which are built by hand
https://catalog.usmint.gov/faqs-faqcategory-products-programs/products-programs-coin-design.html
BTW, the someone should tell the Mint cleaning isn't a good thing
Ferengi rule of acquisition number......
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
It would be interesting to start a social fund raising effort, buy these, and destroy them! Maybe make it into a mini-web series and use advertising proceeds to reimburse the donors.
Zions- NGC put ‘UNIQUE” on the 3 leaf clover mated Ikes on 3 dimes as well.
A bit unprofessional, IMHO.
I have always liked fire engine red copper. This Ike caught my eye. I think because of the color combination and contrast it is much neater than the clover that sold for 105k. But, clovers are ultra special.
My opinion, this looks like 85K.
Marc
Up to $31,000 / $37,200 with a day to go!
Can't wait to see what happens. Bet it will be an exciting auction!
And "Illegal!"
"Midnight Minter" strikes again.
These are cool but I feel that these kind of mint "errors" should be labeled as "Fantasy Mint Errors".
Zions- I am trying to dig out pictures that I took in 1975 of the other 3 leaf clover ( 3 Ike Dollars on Nickel blanks in proof) that I sold to Dr. Berry, which now reside in the ANA Museum.
These kind of "errors" give a bad name to legitimate errors.
How do you figure?
Can you name a legitimate error that got a "bad name" from these?
To me, it seems like:
I had a similar discussion with @MrEureka on patterns, where the largest category of patterns are fantasy pieces, aka "pieces de caprice". I wondered they they weren't classified as fantasy coins. It seems like (1) it's too hard to classify consistently and (2) people are generally ok with the status quo. Errors can be in a similar situation.
Zions- ofcourse! Many U.S. pattern coinage certified by PCGS and NGC were fantasy pieces, many struck ‘at midnight’, involving muling different dies and metals, creating two headed and two tailed patterns, mules and orphans, and exotic off-metals.
That's how I figure.
I'd be more amazed at how these were snuck out of the mint and why wouldn't that be looked upon as theft?
"When they can't find anything wrong with you, they create it!"
These are reasons, but to me, these specific reasons don't give a "bad name" to the legit ones. If anything, I see these as creating more excitement for errors, including ones created by accident.
It is curious how these left the mint. More information on that would be exciting.
I'm not sure. I've never seen the US Mint or Secret Service retrieve these.
You're welcome to believe that, if you like. I don't.
Of course, people can believe different things.
I'm just looking at the evidence of errors being sold, both types.
Many U.S. pattern coinage certified by PCGS and NGC were fantasy pieces, many struck ‘at midnight’, involving muling different dies and metals, creating two headed and two tailed patterns, mules and orphans, and exotic off-metals...
PCGS and NGC do not differentiate patterns that were struck in the normal course of production, with those that are fantasy pieces!!
A group of Proof errors recently came from a collection that was auctioned by the State of California. The U.S. Secret Service inspected and released this collection to the State of California determining that it was legal to own. The State of California then auctioned the collection and it has been dispersed since the sale.
This issue has been addressed in the past😉
Great info Mike. Sounds like there's no concerns on ownership. Glad the Secret Service was involved!
No. It’s not an error. That was purposely created.
FranklinHalfAddict-
With all due respect, there are deliberate error coins that are ranked in Fred’s book, and also in my book.😉
PCGS and others encapsulating them is one thing, collectors and dealers believing and marketing them as "accidental" happenings is another. why do people continually get sucked in by this stuff. shame, shame, we are better than that.
I for one am surprised that the Secret Service didn't take them when they had the opportunity. Clearly stolen from the mint after carefully arranging them in the dies and striking them.
Zions- this off center PROOF SILVER Ike Dollar also in the Heritage Auction is actually rarer than a proof Ike off-metal:
People have different opinions on these. Some like them and others don't.
That being said, I don't think the buyers are being deceived. People paying these prices know what they are buying and are fine with it.
I'd be curious what their reasoning was. Sometimes they provide written opinions which can be a nice part of history.
Regardless of how they were created or distributed, it's nice these are in the clear and have approval from the Secret Service.
Zions- correct. For fifty years these have been bought and sold openly, just like the intentional fantasy U.S. patterns.😉