@CopperWire Thanks for the link and map. I was unable to get the link to open. Was that series P mint as the one @happycollecting has?
@happycollecting what is the estimate cost of slabbing and rough idea of value of these? I have a couple W mint I'm trying to figure out what to do with.
@coinbuf said:
Call it what you want that is damage as all errors are.
Wow, get a life and stop hating.
And thanks for wrecking this thread.
I agree with you Chris. But I have been dealing with this attitude since the 1970's. With one acquaintance in particular. If I was talking about errors within his ear shot, I'd get a snide remark. As it ended up the joke was on him. I was buying, for one example, Jeff 5c struck on 1c planchet for $15 - $25. Look at them now. $350+. I've been involved with other areas of numismatics but NONE have been more enjoyable that error coin collecting. I have NEVER done so, and NEVER will, criticize anyone about what they ENJOY collecting. The enjoyment is what most of us are after.
@FredWeinberg said:
Mint Error coins are struck in error- they are not damaged in anyway shape or form – you’re welcome to your opinion but you are totally incorrect- coins that are struck as mint errors not damaged,And the mint never calls them damaged and does not consider them damaged – they would know the difference, a heck of a lot more than you would
……And believe me after 50 years I know what a damaged coin looks like and what a damaged coin is-
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
Your "errors" were not made by mistake (especially not the intentionally made ones), but rather because a malfunction of the machinery (or human intervention) damaged the coins during the production. You're welcome to your opinion but mislabeling something does not make you (or the mint) correct regardless of how long you or they have been doing it.
When you are in a car crash it may be the result of human error, but there is sure to be some damage as the result. When a mint employee makes an error and some foreign matter is left on a die the following coin(s) will not be struck as designed thus impaired thus damaged.
That is an amazing struck through error coin..... I have a roll of S Bat coins, and was thinking about opening them, then I saw it was a Philadelphia coin.... Shucks. Oh well.... Cool coin indeed. Cheers, RickO
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@FredWeinberg said:
Mint Error coins are struck in error- they are not damaged in anyway shape or form – you’re welcome to your opinion but you are totally incorrect- coins that are struck as mint errors not damaged,And the mint never calls them damaged and does not consider them damaged – they would know the difference, a heck of a lot more than you would
……And believe me after 50 years I know what a damaged coin looks like and what a damaged coin is-
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
Your "errors" were not made by mistake (especially not the intentionally made ones), but rather because a malfunction of the machinery (or human intervention) damaged the coins during the production. You're welcome to your opinion but mislabeling something does not make you (or the mint) correct regardless of how long you or they have been doing it.
When you are in a car crash it may be the result of human error, but there is sure to be some damage as the result. When a mint employee makes an error and some foreign matter is left on a die the following coin(s) will not be struck as designed thus impaired thus damaged.
A dictionary is a useful tool.
Not all error coins are due to die damage. An off center strike, for example, is definitely an error and involves no damage.
Even in your own dictionary work, you prove the applicability of the term error. The "mistake" by the machinery leads to damage.
Useless semantic argument designed to inflame.
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Wow coinbuf just jumping from thread to thread making an ass of yourself. Pissing on every thread is a very impressive trick. I feel bad for you playing the disrupter when someone with your knowledge could do so much better 🤓ps. Cat still don’t think much of y🙀
@FredWeinberg said:
Mint Error coins are struck in error- they are not damaged in anyway shape or form – you’re welcome to your opinion but you are totally incorrect- coins that are struck as mint errors not damaged,And the mint never calls them damaged and does not consider them damaged – they would know the difference, a heck of a lot more than you would
……And believe me after 50 years I know what a damaged coin looks like and what a damaged coin is-
Fred, your post left me confused. Even though a strike thru occurs during the minting process do you consider it damage? And do you consider a strike thru an error?
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Is it common to have that many of the same strike throughs of the same type?
Sometimes yes and sometimes no. There are many one off strike thrus and the are also plenty of repeatable or progressive strike thrus where something stuck to the die.
Not unusual for the foreign material to remain on the die for a while resulting in numerous similar strike thru's. Since the coins then go into a big big bag for shipment it is unusual to find many similar strike thru's in the same roll. Keep in mind that these designed for circulation coins do not get rolled until delivered to the armored carriers at each FED branch bank location. On top of that they first get dumped into a large rolling tub by the carrier. It is not like they rolled off the press and went strait into paper rolls.
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@Jzyskowski1 said:
Wow coinbuf just jumping from thread to thread making an ass of yourself. Pissing on every thread is a very impressive trick. I feel bad for you playing the disrupter when someone with your knowledge could do so much better 🤓ps. Cat still don’t think much of y🙀
So you don't mind if I do something with my knowledge, so long as it meets your approval. But you do mind if I use my knowledge of English as that does not meet with your approval, duly noted. PS no problem I don't like cats much anyway.
@FredWeinberg said:
Mint Error coins are struck in error- they are not damaged in anyway shape or form – you’re welcome to your opinion but you are totally incorrect- coins that are struck as mint errors not damaged,And the mint never calls them damaged and does not consider them damaged – they would know the difference, a heck of a lot more than you would
……And believe me after 50 years I know what a damaged coin looks like and what a damaged coin is-
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
Your "errors" were not made by mistake (especially not the intentionally made ones), but rather because a malfunction of the machinery (or human intervention) damaged the coins during the production. You're welcome to your opinion but mislabeling something does not make you (or the mint) correct regardless of how long you or they have been doing it.
When you are in a car crash it may be the result of human error, but there is sure to be some damage as the result. When a mint employee makes an error and some foreign matter is left on a die the following coin(s) will not be struck as designed thus impaired thus damaged.
A dictionary is a useful tool.
Not all error coins are due to die damage. An off center strike, for example, is definitely an error and involves no damage.
Even in your own dictionary work, you prove the applicability of the term error. The "mistake" by the machinery leads to damage.
Useless semantic argument designed to inflame.
Lol sorry but you are incorrect, an off center strike very often produces a coin that is no longer round. These coins are no longer suited to for the task they were intended (commerce) as they do not work in vending machines, do not work correctly in sorting/rolling machines, etc... They are in fact defective AKA damaged. I wonder how many of those with the vitriol replies to me go into the local car dealership and ask for the factory errors , those must be worth more than the undamaged cars.
It was a mistake to not clean or inspect the dies & it was a mistake to not catch it in quality control.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
The coin was not physically harmed after striking and it did not impair the value, if anything it is worth more.
The usefulness or normal function doesn't appear to be affected, good chance it would still vend or go through rolling machines and therefore functions normal and it would still be useful to make a purchase.
I'm not sure your definition helps support your argument.
@FredWeinberg said:
Mint Error coins are struck in error- they are not damaged in anyway shape or form – you’re welcome to your opinion but you are totally incorrect- coins that are struck as mint errors not damaged,And the mint never calls them damaged and does not consider them damaged – they would know the difference, a heck of a lot more than you would
……And believe me after 50 years I know what a damaged coin looks like and what a damaged coin is-
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
Your "errors" were not made by mistake (especially not the intentionally made ones), but rather because a malfunction of the machinery (or human intervention) damaged the coins during the production. You're welcome to your opinion but mislabeling something does not make you (or the mint) correct regardless of how long you or they have been doing it.
When you are in a car crash it may be the result of human error, but there is sure to be some damage as the result. When a mint employee makes an error and some foreign matter is left on a die the following coin(s) will not be struck as designed thus impaired thus damaged.
A dictionary is a useful tool.
Not all error coins are due to die damage. An off center strike, for example, is definitely an error and involves no damage.
Even in your own dictionary work, you prove the applicability of the term error. The "mistake" by the machinery leads to damage.
Useless semantic argument designed to inflame.
Lol sorry but you are incorrect, an off center strike very often produces a coin that is no longer round. These coins are no longer suited to for the task they were intended (commerce) as they do not work in vending machines, do not work correctly in sorting/rolling machines, etc... They are in fact defective AKA damaged. I wonder how many of those with the vitriol replies to me go into the local car dealership and ask for the factory errors , those must be worth more than the undamaged cars.
Often but not always
Different issue. A factory error doesn't add value to a car. However, I would gladly buy a factory auto error if the error was simply a painting error and the discount was appropriate.
You must be an alt for our dear friend who led us on a 600 post semantic Hardanger on the meaning of "original"
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@Jzyskowski1 said:
Wow coinbuf just jumping from thread to thread making an ass of yourself. Pissing on every thread is a very impressive trick. I feel bad for you playing the disrupter when someone with your knowledge could do so much better 🤓ps. Cat still don’t think much of y🙀
So you don't mind if I do something with my knowledge, so long as it meets your approval. But you do mind if I use my knowledge of English as that does not meet with your approval, duly noted. PS no problem I don't like cats much anyway.
Nope I object to someone who is intelligent and well versed looking for anyway to mouth off and shamefully twist the facts.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
It was a mistake to not clean or inspect the dies & it was a mistake to not catch it in quality control.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
The coin was not physically harmed after striking and it did not impair the value, if anything it is worth more.
The usefulness or normal function doesn't appear to be affected, good chance it would still vend or go through rolling machines and therefore functions normal and it would still be useful to make a purchase.
I'm not sure your definition helps support your argument.
He doesn't have an argument. He just wanted to start one.
He didn't start by posting "cool mint damaged coin". He started with "just another damaged coin..." He just wanted to express his disdain for the entire error coin market.
We could all agree to call them "cool damaged coins" and he'd still think he was too cool for the damaged coin aficionados.
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@ifthevamzarockin said:
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
It was a mistake to not clean or inspect the dies & it was a mistake to not catch it in quality control.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
The coin was not physically harmed after striking and it did not impair the value, if anything it is worth more.
The usefulness or normal function doesn't appear to be affected, good chance it would still vend or go through rolling machines and therefore functions normal and it would still be useful to make a purchase.
I'm not sure your definition helps support your argument.
Interesting and valid points, and I do appreciate someone that can discuss a subject without the use of hate and vitriol as so many here do. 100% agree with you here "It was a mistake to not clean or inspect the dies & it was a mistake to not catch it in quality control.". Yes I agree that strikethroughs generally do not impair (although not always) a coin's ability to perform it's intended function. But the value aspect is where it becomes interesting, does it really have added value or does that value come from a well crafted promotional effort over time. Many; especially those involved it selling such items; will say it does not matter but I think it does in fact matter.
Take BN copper for example, for decades many collectors shunned BN copper and the values of those coins were well below that of RD or RB. Only quite recently, through the promotional efforts of some collectors and dealers, have the prices and desirability for some BN copper pieces begun to rise. My point with this example is that value can be a perception and that perceptions can and do change over time.
Also added value for items that are not ordinary is somewhat common for collectables but is out of the ordinary for most other goods. Again going back to autos most people are less likely to pay more for a car with a big dent in the hood vs one without a dent. No matter how unique it is.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
It was a mistake to not clean or inspect the dies & it was a mistake to not catch it in quality control.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
The coin was not physically harmed after striking and it did not impair the value, if anything it is worth more.
The usefulness or normal function doesn't appear to be affected, good chance it would still vend or go through rolling machines and therefore functions normal and it would still be useful to make a purchase.
I'm not sure your definition helps support your argument.
He doesn't have an argument. He just wanted to start one.
He didn't start by posting "cool mint damaged coin". He started with "just another damaged coin..." He just wanted to express his disdain for the entire error coin market.
We could all agree to call them "cool damaged coins" and he'd still think he was too cool for the damaged coin aficionados.
It is very funny that you think you know so much about me but actually know nothing.
@ifthevamzarockin said:
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
It was a mistake to not clean or inspect the dies & it was a mistake to not catch it in quality control.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
The coin was not physically harmed after striking and it did not impair the value, if anything it is worth more.
The usefulness or normal function doesn't appear to be affected, good chance it would still vend or go through rolling machines and therefore functions normal and it would still be useful to make a purchase.
I'm not sure your definition helps support your argument.
He doesn't have an argument. He just wanted to start one.
He didn't start by posting "cool mint damaged coin". He started with "just another damaged coin..." He just wanted to express his disdain for the entire error coin market.
We could all agree to call them "cool damaged coins" and he'd still think he was too cool for the damaged coin aficionados.
It is very funny that you think you know so much about me but actually know nothing.
I just read the words as written. I am proven correct by your answer to @ifthevamzarockin where you acknowledge that the bat is not damaged by your definition but then go on to argue the value proposition. So,in fact, you didn't care about the semantics of it, you simply wanted to argue that "damaged coins" should not have added value.
This is another case of someone arguing that they are smarter than the market.
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@Jzyskowski1 said:
Wow coinbuf just jumping from thread to thread making an ass of yourself. Pissing on every thread is a very impressive trick. I feel bad for you playing the disrupter when someone with your knowledge could do so much better 🤓ps. Cat still don’t think much of y🙀
So you don't mind if I do something with my knowledge, so long as it meets your approval. But you do mind if I use my knowledge of English as that does not meet with your approval, duly noted. PS no problem I don't like cats much anyway.
Nope I object to someone who is intelligent and well versed looking for anyway to mouth off and shamefully twist the facts.
I suggest that you might want to > @jmlanzaf said:
@ifthevamzarockin said:
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
It was a mistake to not clean or inspect the dies & it was a mistake to not catch it in quality control.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
The coin was not physically harmed after striking and it did not impair the value, if anything it is worth more.
The usefulness or normal function doesn't appear to be affected, good chance it would still vend or go through rolling machines and therefore functions normal and it would still be useful to make a purchase.
I'm not sure your definition helps support your argument.
He doesn't have an argument. He just wanted to start one.
He didn't start by posting "cool mint damaged coin". He started with "just another damaged coin..." He just wanted to express his disdain for the entire error coin market.
We could all agree to call them "cool damaged coins" and he'd still think he was too cool for the damaged coin aficionados.
It is very funny that you think you know so much about me but actually know nothing.
I just read the words as written. I am proven correct by your answer to @ifthevamzarockin where you acknowledge that the bat is not damaged by your definition but then go on to argue the value proposition. So,in fact, you didn't care about the semantics of it, you simply wanted to argue that "damaged coins" should not have added value.
This is another case of someone arguing that they are smarter than the market.
As usual you twist the words to fit your narrative, I never said that I acknowledge that the bat is not damaged.
Coinbuf you read like a book. Unfortunately it’s not a very good book. If you think your helping carry on. What I think of you is not important but your obvious lack of respect for yourself comes through loud and clear in how you treat others 🤓. If you know anything about cats he don’t give a damn what you think he pity’s you. 🙀
@Jzyskowski1 said:
Wow coinbuf just jumping from thread to thread making an ass of yourself. Pissing on every thread is a very impressive trick. I feel bad for you playing the disrupter when someone with your knowledge could do so much better 🤓ps. Cat still don’t think much of y🙀
So you don't mind if I do something with my knowledge, so long as it meets your approval. But you do mind if I use my knowledge of English as that does not meet with your approval, duly noted. PS no problem I don't like cats much anyway.
Nope I object to someone who is intelligent and well versed looking for anyway to mouth off and shamefully twist the facts.
I suggest that you might want to > @jmlanzaf said:
@ifthevamzarockin said:
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
It was a mistake to not clean or inspect the dies & it was a mistake to not catch it in quality control.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
The coin was not physically harmed after striking and it did not impair the value, if anything it is worth more.
The usefulness or normal function doesn't appear to be affected, good chance it would still vend or go through rolling machines and therefore functions normal and it would still be useful to make a purchase.
I'm not sure your definition helps support your argument.
He doesn't have an argument. He just wanted to start one.
He didn't start by posting "cool mint damaged coin". He started with "just another damaged coin..." He just wanted to express his disdain for the entire error coin market.
We could all agree to call them "cool damaged coins" and he'd still think he was too cool for the damaged coin aficionados.
It is very funny that you think you know so much about me but actually know nothing.
I just read the words as written. I am proven correct by your answer to @ifthevamzarockin where you acknowledge that the bat is not damaged by your definition but then go on to argue the value proposition. So,in fact, you didn't care about the semantics of it, you simply wanted to argue that "damaged coins" should not have added value.
This is another case of someone arguing that they are smarter than the market.
As usual you twist the words to fit your narrative, I never said that I acknowledge that the bat is not damaged.
You're the one moving the topic. You were arguing impairment of function as proof of damage. You acknowledged that the bat did not have impairment of function. Do the calculus however you'd like: 1+2=6. The bottom line remains that you simply want to argue that such coins should not have added value from their "unique issues". That is the only thesis you care about.
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Are you so pathetic that you’re going to fight with a cat. JM said a mouthful when he noted your changing the subject is really something. Go ahead tough guy give my cat hell. He still is pitying you and you can own that. 🙀
Are you really that lost in this conversation that you think I'm fighting with your silly cat. That is just too funny.
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Are you so pathetic that you’re going to fight with a cat. JM said a mouthful when he noted your changing the subject is really something. Go ahead tough guy give my cat hell. He still is pitying you and you can own that. 🙀
Are you really that lost in this conversation that you think I'm fighting with your silly cat. That is just too funny.
The cat's winning. 😈
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Lol sorry but you are incorrect, an off center strike very often produces a coin that is no longer round. These coins are no longer suited to for the task they were intended (commerce) as they do not work in vending machines, do not work correctly in sorting/rolling machines, etc...
This would be the crux of my disagreement. "A coin that is no longer round" is not accurate. There never was a round coin to start with. There was a round planchet but that is not a coin.
They are in fact defective AKA damaged.
The two words to me do not mean the same thing. One refers to improper production while the other refers to subsequent impairment.
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couple of W batcoin obv. strike thru pics from my searches.
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@ErrorsOnCoins very neat error.
@CopperWire Thanks for the link and map. I was unable to get the link to open. Was that series P mint as the one @happycollecting has?
@happycollecting what is the estimate cost of slabbing and rough idea of value of these? I have a couple W mint I'm trying to figure out what to do with.
A 3 coin holder would be really cool with three different die states of this error.
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I agree with you Chris. But I have been dealing with this attitude since the 1970's. With one acquaintance in particular. If I was talking about errors within his ear shot, I'd get a snide remark. As it ended up the joke was on him. I was buying, for one example, Jeff 5c struck on 1c planchet for $15 - $25. Look at them now. $350+. I've been involved with other areas of numismatics but NONE have been more enjoyable that error coin collecting. I have NEVER done so, and NEVER will, criticize anyone about what they ENJOY collecting. The enjoyment is what most of us are after.
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For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
Your "errors" were not made by mistake (especially not the intentionally made ones), but rather because a malfunction of the machinery (or human intervention) damaged the coins during the production. You're welcome to your opinion but mislabeling something does not make you (or the mint) correct regardless of how long you or they have been doing it.
When you are in a car crash it may be the result of human error, but there is sure to be some damage as the result. When a mint employee makes an error and some foreign matter is left on a die the following coin(s) will not be struck as designed thus impaired thus damaged.
A dictionary is a useful tool.
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This is one of the coolest errors I’ve seen!
That is an amazing struck through error coin..... I have a roll of S Bat coins, and was thinking about opening them, then I saw it was a Philadelphia coin.... Shucks. Oh well.... Cool coin indeed. Cheers, RickO
Awesome coin.
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Not all error coins are due to die damage. An off center strike, for example, is definitely an error and involves no damage.
Even in your own dictionary work, you prove the applicability of the term error. The "mistake" by the machinery leads to damage.
Useless semantic argument designed to inflame.
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That design makes my skin crawl, especially now.
To paraphrase the Rabbi's prayer from "Fiddler on the Roof,"'
"May God bless and keep the bats ... far away from us."
Wow coinbuf just jumping from thread to thread making an ass of yourself. Pissing on every thread is a very impressive trick. I feel bad for you playing the disrupter when someone with your knowledge could do so much better 🤓ps. Cat still don’t think much of y🙀
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An error coin is not damaged because the anomaly occurred during the minting process. There was no existing coin to damage.
If a struck coin (error or otherwise) is then damaged after striking, then that is damage.
Just my opinion, at the risk of feeding the sideshow.
The thread title says nothing about an error coin.
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Fred, your post left me confused. Even though a strike thru occurs during the minting process do you consider it damage? And do you consider a strike thru an error?
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It looks like at least a handful have sold recently on eBay for pretty modest prices, and it’s indicated that someone had nearly a roll of them.
Is it common to have that many of the same strike throughs of the same type?
Never heard of these until I saw this thread, very cool! Yes, had to get thru a few fart noises to get to the end of the thread but no worries.
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Sometimes yes and sometimes no. There are many one off strike thrus and the are also plenty of repeatable or progressive strike thrus where something stuck to the die.
Not unusual for the foreign material to remain on the die for a while resulting in numerous similar strike thru's. Since the coins then go into a big big bag for shipment it is unusual to find many similar strike thru's in the same roll. Keep in mind that these designed for circulation coins do not get rolled until delivered to the armored carriers at each FED branch bank location. On top of that they first get dumped into a large rolling tub by the carrier. It is not like they rolled off the press and went strait into paper rolls.
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So you don't mind if I do something with my knowledge, so long as it meets your approval. But you do mind if I use my knowledge of English as that does not meet with your approval, duly noted. PS no problem I don't like cats much anyway.
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Lol sorry but you are incorrect, an off center strike very often produces a coin that is no longer round. These coins are no longer suited to for the task they were intended (commerce) as they do not work in vending machines, do not work correctly in sorting/rolling machines, etc... They are in fact defective AKA damaged. I wonder how many of those with the vitriol replies to me go into the local car dealership and ask for the factory errors
, those must be worth more than the undamaged cars.
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coinbuf, are you a coin dealer or collector?
For your reference:
error
[ˈerər]
NOUN
a mistake.
It was a mistake to not clean or inspect the dies & it was a mistake to not catch it in quality control.
damage
[ˈdamij]
NOUN
physical harm caused to something in such a way as to impair its value, usefulness, or normal function.
The coin was not physically harmed after striking and it did not impair the value, if anything it is worth more.
The usefulness or normal function doesn't appear to be affected, good chance it would still vend or go through rolling machines and therefore functions normal and it would still be useful to make a purchase.
I'm not sure your definition helps support your argument.
per Webster Dictionary
Definition of error
1 : ......
2 : ........
3 : something produced by mistake
Wow, at this point you might as well rename this thread "What are the definitions of Damage and Error"🙄.
I tried to hang out through all of this hoping it would get back on track but it appears you all have taken a different path.
Probably gonna get closed anyway due to Covid 😷
Just a PITA
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Often but not always
Different issue. A factory error doesn't add value to a car. However, I would gladly buy a factory auto error if the error was simply a painting error and the discount was appropriate.
You must be an alt for our dear friend who led us on a 600 post semantic Hardanger on the meaning of "original"
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Nope I object to someone who is intelligent and well versed looking for anyway to mouth off and shamefully twist the facts.
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He doesn't have an argument. He just wanted to start one.
He didn't start by posting "cool mint damaged coin". He started with "just another damaged coin..." He just wanted to express his disdain for the entire error coin market.
We could all agree to call them "cool damaged coins" and he'd still think he was too cool for the damaged coin aficionados.
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Interesting and valid points, and I do appreciate someone that can discuss a subject without the use of hate and vitriol as so many here do. 100% agree with you here "It was a mistake to not clean or inspect the dies & it was a mistake to not catch it in quality control.". Yes I agree that strikethroughs generally do not impair (although not always) a coin's ability to perform it's intended function. But the value aspect is where it becomes interesting, does it really have added value or does that value come from a well crafted promotional effort over time. Many; especially those involved it selling such items; will say it does not matter but I think it does in fact matter.
Take BN copper for example, for decades many collectors shunned BN copper and the values of those coins were well below that of RD or RB. Only quite recently, through the promotional efforts of some collectors and dealers, have the prices and desirability for some BN copper pieces begun to rise. My point with this example is that value can be a perception and that perceptions can and do change over time.
Also added value for items that are not ordinary is somewhat common for collectables but is out of the ordinary for most other goods. Again going back to autos most people are less likely to pay more for a car with a big dent in the hood vs one without a dent. No matter how unique it is.
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It is very funny that you think you know so much about me but actually know nothing.
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I just read the words as written. I am proven correct by your answer to @ifthevamzarockin where you acknowledge that the bat is not damaged by your definition but then go on to argue the value proposition. So,in fact, you didn't care about the semantics of it, you simply wanted to argue that "damaged coins" should not have added value.
This is another case of someone arguing that they are smarter than the market.
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I suggest that you might want to > @jmlanzaf said:
As usual you twist the words to fit your narrative, I never said that I acknowledge that the bat is not damaged.
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Coinbuf you read like a book. Unfortunately it’s not a very good book. If you think your helping carry on. What I think of you is not important but your obvious lack of respect for yourself comes through loud and clear in how you treat others 🤓. If you know anything about cats he don’t give a damn what you think he pity’s you. 🙀
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Who cares what a cat thinks?
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You're the one moving the topic. You were arguing impairment of function as proof of damage. You acknowledged that the bat did not have impairment of function. Do the calculus however you'd like: 1+2=6. The bottom line remains that you simply want to argue that such coins should not have added value from their "unique issues". That is the only thesis you care about.
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Are you so pathetic that you’re going to fight with a cat. JM said a mouthful when he noted your changing the subject is really something. Go ahead tough guy give my cat hell. He still is pitying you and you can own that. 🙀
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Are you really that lost in this conversation that you think I'm fighting with your silly cat.
That is just too funny.
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This would be the crux of my disagreement. "A coin that is no longer round" is not accurate. There never was a round coin to start with. There was a round planchet but that is not a coin.
The two words to me do not mean the same thing. One refers to improper production while the other refers to subsequent impairment.