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Proof 2002-S Mississippi state quarter with die clashes - Check your 2002-S Proof Mississippi qtrs.

rec78rec78 Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

What is your opinion on this coin? I have a few more of these. Value? Coin is currently in raw condition. Would it be worthwhile to send these to PCGS for verification and grading or just keep them as they are? Should I keep them in the Proof quarter sets they came in, or break them out? Does anyone here have any of these? Strong die clashes on both sides!! Maybe I should just eBay it as is? (a raw coin?) The reverse has a significant clash just below the gn in magnolia. Any comments or advice will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! I have never seen one on eBay. This is the discovery coin, I believe! Thanks, Bob

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  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,983 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rather uncommon in modern proofs, I think.

  • MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice example of a clashed die, especially so on a proof. Is it silver or clad?

  • TreashuntTreashunt Posts: 6,747 ✭✭✭✭✭

    not worth submitting.

    Frank

    BHNC #203

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you are sure it is the 'discovery' coin, it would get a unique label at our hosts service. That may be worth a bit more to collectors and perhaps cover the slab cost. Cheers, RickO

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,983 ✭✭✭✭✭

    As a die clash, isn't it an error and not a variety?

  • CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 32,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice!

    Numismatist. 50 year member ANA. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner numerous NLG Literary Awards.
  • rec78rec78 Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @MWallace said:
    Very nice example of a clashed die, especially so on a proof. Is it silver or clad?

    Clad

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  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice clash! :)

    I would only send to PCGS if I was looking for a discovery label or maybe to keep the best example for myself.
    If I was going to send it to someone like Coin World for a write up it might better graded.
    Sometimes a write up can be done without sending the coin if you can provide high enough quality photos.
    I would keep them in the sets.
    Ebay would be a good option to sell the sets.
    I would only list one at a time so a buyer doesn't think they can just buy one later or that they are common.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:
    As a die clash, isn't it an error and not a variety?

    I would have thought the opposite (in a technical sense)...

  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Clashes on proofs are very unusual. I like it! Here's a neat one on a proof Lincoln 1c-


  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 35,983 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    As a die clash, isn't it an error and not a variety?

    I would have thought the opposite (in a technical sense)...

    Yes, I think that's true. I always think of die clashes and die cracks as a grey area. When someone catalogues them, they become "varieties" but they are often classified as errors:

    http://www.error-ref.com/die_clash/

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 6,988 ✭✭✭✭✭

    :)
    An interesting looking proof.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • MedalCollectorMedalCollector Posts: 2,013 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have a silver example, but I believe it was from a different pair of dies.

    I believe I’ve also seen photos of, or a reference to, a clashed clad MIssissippi previously, so this likely is not a “discovery”.

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JBK said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    As a die clash, isn't it an error and not a variety?

    I would have thought the opposite (in a technical sense)...

    Yes, I think that's true. I always think of die clashes and die cracks as a grey area. When someone catalogues them, they become "varieties" but they are often classified as errors:

    http://www.error-ref.com/die_clash/

    So errors and varieties both happen during the minting/strike process but there are subsection or categories of varieties vs. errors?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,294 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 9, 2025 3:47PM

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JBK said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    As a die clash, isn't it an error and not a variety?

    I would have thought the opposite (in a technical sense)...

    Yes, I think that's true. I always think of die clashes and die cracks as a grey area. When someone catalogues them, they become "varieties" but they are often classified as errors:

    http://www.error-ref.com/die_clash/

    So errors and varieties both happen during the minting/strike process but there are subsection or categories of varieties vs. errors?

    It might be more complicated than that.

    Errors occur during striking.

    Varieties can happen during die preparation or (according to criteria posted above) during the striking process if something happens to the die.

    Another way to look at it: a variety is the result of something in the die, and an error is the result of something happening in the striking process.

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    BTW, zombie thread alert! ☠️

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JBK said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    As a die clash, isn't it an error and not a variety?

    I would have thought the opposite (in a technical sense)...

    Yes, I think that's true. I always think of die clashes and die cracks as a grey area. When someone catalogues them, they become "varieties" but they are often classified as errors:

    http://www.error-ref.com/die_clash/

    So errors and varieties both happen during the minting/strike process but there are subsection or categories of varieties vs. errors?

    It might be more complicated than that.

    Errors occur during striking.

    Varieties can happen during die preparation or (according to criteria posted above) during the striking process if something happens to the die.

    Another way to look at it: a variety is the result of something in the die, and an error is the result of something happening in the striking process.

    Or a variety can be a die intentionally modified or altered from the coins originally approved design.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,294 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @JBK said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JBK said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    As a die clash, isn't it an error and not a variety?

    I would have thought the opposite (in a technical sense)...

    Yes, I think that's true. I always think of die clashes and die cracks as a grey area. When someone catalogues them, they become "varieties" but they are often classified as errors:

    http://www.error-ref.com/die_clash/

    So errors and varieties both happen during the minting/strike process but there are subsection or categories of varieties vs. errors?

    It might be more complicated than that.

    Errors occur during striking.

    Varieties can happen during die preparation or (according to criteria posted above) during the striking process if something happens to the die.

    Another way to look at it: a variety is the result of something in the die, and an error is the result of something happening in the striking process.

    Or a variety can be a die intentionally modified or altered from the coins originally approved design.

    Yes, that is why I added "Varieties can happen during die preparation", but I suppose that could be extended to hub preparation. :)

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @JBK said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @JBK said:

    @OAKSTAR said:

    @jmlanzaf said:

    @JBK said:

    @jmlanzaf said:
    As a die clash, isn't it an error and not a variety?

    I would have thought the opposite (in a technical sense)...

    Yes, I think that's true. I always think of die clashes and die cracks as a grey area. When someone catalogues them, they become "varieties" but they are often classified as errors:

    http://www.error-ref.com/die_clash/

    So errors and varieties both happen during the minting/strike process but there are subsection or categories of varieties vs. errors?

    It might be more complicated than that.

    Errors occur during striking.

    Varieties can happen during die preparation or (according to criteria posted above) during the striking process if something happens to the die.

    Another way to look at it: a variety is the result of something in the die, and an error is the result of something happening in the striking process.

    Or a variety can be a die intentionally modified or altered from the coins originally approved design.

    Yes, that is why I added "Varieties can happen during die preparation", but I suppose that could be extended to hub preparation. :)

    And working die.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Let me publicly thank @rec78 We recently had a trade. He gave up one of his 2002-S proof sets with the Mississippi die clash quarters. Thanks @rec78!

    .

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • pcgsregistrycollectorpcgsregistrycollector Posts: 1,012 ✭✭✭✭

    Very cool coin!

    God comes first in everything I do. I’m dedicated to serving Him with my whole life. Coin collecting is just a hobby—but even in that, I seek to honor Him. ✝️

  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Does anyone have an overlay of this coin?

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,543 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How can employees at the mint miss something that obvious?

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • OAKSTAROAKSTAR Posts: 8,023 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @BuffaloIronTail said:
    How can employees at the mint miss something that obvious?

    Pete

    To be fair to the employees, can't really say it's that obvious.

    Something like this IMO would be much more obvious. But again, can't really say how many eyeballs are actually looking at these things.

    Disclaimer: I'm not a dealer, trader, grader, investor or professional numismatist. I'm just a hobbyist. (To protect me but mostly you! 🤣 )

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