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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,986 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Live Auction •

    8 June 2021 • 10:00 EDT • New York

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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,209 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • mannie graymannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

    14,500,000

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,824 ✭✭✭✭✭

    17,500.000.

  • PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,028 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $11,111,111

  • CCDollarCCDollar Posts: 758 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $13,545,000

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $10 million unless there is some new multi-billionaire money in the coin market. If there is new multi-billionaire money in the coin market it could go much higher. Some other collectible areas such as sports cards are on fire. Will the fire spread to coins as well?

    All glory is fleeting.
  • Off_Cent_erOff_Cent_er Posts: 164 ✭✭✭✭

    Well the price of gold is considerably higher than the last time it was at auction.....

    In all seriousness im gonna guess it doesnt go past 15 million.

  • oldabeintxoldabeintx Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @291fifth said:
    $10 million unless there is some new multi-billionaire money in the coin market. If there is new multi-billionaire money in the coin market it could go much higher. Some other collectible areas such as sports cards are on fire. Will the fire spread to coins as well?

    You can't expect demand for sports cards to translate to coins. Sports cards are, after all, pieces of cardboard, devoid of history or artistic merit, unconnected in any meaningful way with the athlete pictured. The Kardashians of collectibles.

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,752 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $15 Million.

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  • fathomfathom Posts: 1,903 ✭✭✭✭✭

    9-10

  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m just as interested to know if an active coin collector will buy it or will it just be another investor?

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2021 5:44PM

    I'll guess he breaks even roughly at least nominally. $7.5 million all in. All bets are off though if Laura is true to her word that Legend will absolutely win it, and she jumps the bid several million with no underbidder in sight though like the SP66 1794 dollar.

  • jmlanzafjmlanzaf Posts: 36,822 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It will go over $10 million easily. I would be very surprised if it didn't get to $15 million. It's one of a kind and legendary. Sometime like Hanson might not get another whiff of one for a generation.

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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,986 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m going pessimistic- $12

    If someone says publicly they will win, isn’t that like the Statue of Liberty “plan?”

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  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $20+ million. Circumstances are way different this time than last.

  • edwardjulioedwardjulio Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 28, 2021 11:43AM

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  • scotty4449scotty4449 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $17,250,000, I can see some strong bidding for this coin.

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @oldabeintx said:

    @291fifth said:
    $10 million unless there is some new multi-billionaire money in the coin market. If there is new multi-billionaire money in the coin market it could go much higher. Some other collectible areas such as sports cards are on fire. Will the fire spread to coins as well?

    You can't expect demand for sports cards to translate to coins. Sports cards are, after all, pieces of cardboard, devoid of history or artistic merit, unconnected in any meaningful way with the athlete pictured. The Kardashians of collectibles.

    What we are dealing with is collector mentality, not artistic merit. In any case, the 1933 Double Eagle really has little artistic merit since it is the low relief version of the type.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • ExbritExbrit Posts: 1,379 ✭✭✭✭

    @oldabeintx said:

    @291fifth said:
    $10 million unless there is some new multi-billionaire money in the coin market. If there is new multi-billionaire money in the coin market it could go much higher. Some other collectible areas such as sports cards are on fire. Will the fire spread to coins as well?

    You can't expect demand for sports cards to translate to coins. Sports cards are, after all, pieces of cardboard, devoid of history or artistic merit, unconnected in any meaningful way with the athlete pictured. The Kardashians of collectibles.

    Yet the Brady rookie card just sold for 3.1 mil.

    So I'll say - over 15 mil on he 1933 because of the story.

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @pruebas said:
    $20+ million. Circumstances are way different this time than last.

    I can see $20+

    That’s what I’m pulling for!

  • pursuitoflibertypursuitofliberty Posts: 7,325 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $14,000,000. hammer


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  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    if there is a reserve, i'll say no sale.

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  • JustacommemanJustacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • blaircountycoinblaircountycoin Posts: 253 ✭✭✭

    Ball peen

  • element159element159 Posts: 547 ✭✭✭
    edited June 7, 2021 10:23PM

    Which of the treasures will sell for the most?
    My guess is the inverted Jenny stamps sell for the most, then the gold coin, then that ugly rotten stamp.
    Personally, I don't mind too much that Mr. Weitzman added his initials to the stamp, as there is some kind of tradition. He could have made it smaller, but still forever recognizable. That said, that part of the design is the most aesthetic part of the stamp now it kind of seems.

  • HighReliefHighRelief Posts: 3,720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I would bet it will hammer at $15,000,000.00

  • RedstoneCoinsRedstoneCoins Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    $24,572,000.83

  • RedstoneCoinsRedstoneCoins Posts: 218 ✭✭✭

    The publicity this coin has garnered in the last 20+ years is far beyond the miniscule and relative obscurity the coin had the first time it sold publicly. Relative to most investments or rare artifacts, most people outside of the coin world had never heard of this coin 20 years ago. Perhaps 1 in 10,000 people knew what the 1933 $20 piece represented.

    It has been featured in documentaries, news shows, internet articles, New York Times articles, and more publicity than any other coin in the history of the world, not just the United States. Also, (and this has to be said), the numerous "Heritage Collectors' Mint" ads on TV for the "famed 1933 Double Eagle" (a gold-clad proof coin struck from a copper core, selling for $9.99 or so) has also helped proliferate the reputation and infamy of this particular coin.

    Now, in 2021, perhaps 1 in 500 people know what the 1933 $20 piece represents.

    It doesn't take MOST people to know what this coin is in order for it to appreciate in value, it only takes the RIGHT people for it to do so.

    Consider also that there are several thousand more billionaires in the world now in 2021 (who are all looking for mobile "hard assets" to sink their financial teeth into, especially in this inflationary economy where the Dollar is losing value on a daily basis), whereas 20+ years ago the number of billionaires in the world could fit into a small room. Additionally, the number of people with a net worth of $100M-$999M is much greater as well. Perhaps tenfold or more from 20+ years ago.

    Anyone who thinks this coin will simply "break even" and achieve the same price it did 20 years ago is not the kind of person I would take financial advice from. (Anyone who thinks that, I have some Pagenet or Enron stock to sell to you!)

    You have to look at the whole picture.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2021 4:11AM

    80 Million

    BTW...The link has a convenient "register to bid" button & when you push it, a virtual assistant is willing to help you.

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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭✭✭

    12 million is my guess

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  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,604 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $14,785,000, well out of my price range. I'd be a player at around $2 grand. lol

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  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,401 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2021 4:51AM

    @blitzdude said:
    I'd be a player at around $2 grand. lol

    You'd be doing well at 9% of above spot :)

  • GazesGazes Posts: 2,315 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Above 17 million dollars

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will hazard a guess at $16,325,000.... Of course, if there are not a couple of 'deep pockets' involved, then it will go much lower. Cheers, RickO

  • fastfreddiefastfreddie Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $19,330,000 hammer.

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  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,709 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RedstoneCoins said:
    The publicity this coin has garnered in the last 20+ years is far beyond the miniscule and relative obscurity the coin had the first time it sold publicly. Relative to most investments or rare artifacts, most people outside of the coin world had never heard of this coin 20 years ago. Perhaps 1 in 10,000 people knew what the 1933 $20 piece represented.

    It has been featured in documentaries, news shows, internet articles, New York Times articles, and more publicity than any other coin in the history of the world, not just the United States. Also, (and this has to be said), the numerous "Heritage Collectors' Mint" ads on TV for the "famed 1933 Double Eagle" (a gold-clad proof coin struck from a copper core, selling for $9.99 or so) has also helped proliferate the reputation and infamy of this particular coin.

    Now, in 2021, perhaps 1 in 500 people know what the 1933 $20 piece represents.

    It doesn't take MOST people to know what this coin is in order for it to appreciate in value, it only takes the RIGHT people for it to do so.

    Consider also that there are several thousand more billionaires in the world now in 2021 (who are all looking for mobile "hard assets" to sink their financial teeth into, especially in this inflationary economy where the Dollar is losing value on a daily basis), whereas 20+ years ago the number of billionaires in the world could fit into a small room. Additionally, the number of people with a net worth of $100M-$999M is much greater as well. Perhaps tenfold or more from 20+ years ago.

    Anyone who thinks this coin will simply "break even" and achieve the same price it did 20 years ago is not the kind of person I would take financial advice from. (Anyone who thinks that, I have some Pagenet or Enron stock to sell to you!)

    You have to look at the whole picture.

    I'm still waiting for my share of the Enron money from the Nigerian prince! ;)

    All glory is fleeting.
  • WinLoseWinWinLoseWin Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 8, 2021 6:32AM

    Less than an hour.

    I will guess a $10,500,000 hammer price.

    Usually I would give the amount with all the buyers fees, but no way I'm going to try to figure out their complicated fees in the terms shown below:

    .
    .
    3. Buyer’s Premium; Overhead Premium
    A buyer’s premium and an overhead premium
    will be added to the hammer price and are
    payable by the purchaser as part of the total
    purchase price. The buyer’s premium is 25%
    of the hammer price up to and including
    $400,000, 20% of any amount in excess of
    $400,000 up to and including $4,000,000, and
    13.9% of any amount in excess of $4,000,000.
    The overhead premium is 1% of the hammer
    price.
    .
    .

    Some good reading in the lot description. Some I don't recall seeing before like that one sold privately in the 1970's and was turned over to the government in the last few years (It wasn't from the 10 coin Langbord group).

    https://sothebys.com/en/buy/auction/2021/three-treasures-collected-by-stuart-weitzman/the-1933-double-eagle

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  • DCWDCW Posts: 7,628 ✭✭✭✭✭

    What are the chances that all three lots go to the same bidder?

    I'd say very high.

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  • SmEagle1795SmEagle1795 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The "saleroom notice" states: "Please note that there is an Irrevocable Bid, as well as a Guarantee on this lot."

    Maybe $15M hammer?

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭✭✭

    $8.1M.

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  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No live video link for the auction? Anyone know?

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  • ConnecticoinConnecticoin Posts: 13,113 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @keyman64 said:
    No live video link for the auction? Anyone know?

    I was looking as well - no link on the Sotheby's site that I can see

  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭✭✭

    No link. "Buy Now" doesn't work. wth

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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A window should have popped up. I can watch the live stream right now.

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  • KliaoKliao Posts: 5,697 ✭✭✭✭✭

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  • nagsnags Posts: 822 ✭✭✭✭

    Video is live on the Sotheby's site

  • keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yup, got video now. Woohoo!

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  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭

    16,750,000

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