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EddiEddi Posts: 612 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited June 4, 2021 1:31AM in U.S. Coin Forum

This 1812 Classic Head shows in my collection shows what I believe is called advanced 'die flow' in the reverse, with the devices merging into the rim. I believe this occurs as the die reaches a late die state and has become severely used.

1812 Sheldon 289.

If anybody has any better or further information on this and how it occurs that would be very interesting.

Thanks!

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    kazkaz Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a great looking classic large cent Eddi! And, a good example of the die erosion that we see on other issues like the capped bust halves.

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    BillJonesBillJones Posts: 35,810 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I wish I could collect a date set of Classic Head large cents that looked like this one. Corrosion and excessive wear too often bring them down.

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Die erosion. Nice one. I have an 1812 50c that I will need to find a cent for one day so I can complete the "mint set"

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice large cent.... great detail... Would be proud to own that one. Cheers, RickO

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very nice! Good color and clean fields... the flow lines are also apparent on the obverse stars as well. Very difficult to find in this state!

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    EddiEddi Posts: 612 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 4, 2021 8:36AM

    Thank you, all, for your comments.

    As you point out, Die Erosion rather than Die Flow seems a more proper term to describe the weakness of the edge devices and how the seem to merge into the rims. I don't believe I had heard that term before.

    @lkenefic said:
    Very nice! Good color and clean fields... the flow lines are also apparent on the obverse stars as well. Very difficult to find in this state!

    Thank you! Are you referring to the late state of the die on this S-289 ?

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    HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very attractive.

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    jmski52jmski52 Posts: 23,962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin!

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    Steven59Steven59 Posts: 11,022 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice - "Shooting Stars" on the obverse too!

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    AuldFartteAuldFartte Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭

    That planchet is better than most of the Classic Head LCs I've seen. I love it!

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    lkeneficlkenefic Posts: 9,349 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Eddi said:
    Thank you, all, for your comments.

    As you point out, Die Erosion rather than Die Flow seems a more proper term to describe the weakness of the edge devices and how the seem to merge into the rims. I don't believe I had heard that term before.

    @lkenefic said:
    Very nice! Good color and clean fields... the flow lines are also apparent on the obverse stars as well. Very difficult to find in this state!

    Thank you! Are you referring to the late state of the die on this S-289 ?

    No... I meant I the condition (state) of the coin. A lot of these have surface corrosion to some extent, but the fields on yours seems relatively clean and free of nicks. Congrats!

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    BustDMsBustDMs Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I hope this explanation helps a little.

    When a planchet is struck it expands slightly until the expansion is stopped by the collar. The metal flow is from the center of the planchet towards the edge of the now struck coin. The metal of the planchet eventually etches the die steel much like sandpaper resulting in the flow lines radiating towards the rim “pulling” the letters or stars towards the edge.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 32,468 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's got a lot of meat on it, I like

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    LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    lovely piece-o-chocolate you have there!

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    CatbertCatbert Posts: 8,192 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Steven59 said:
    Nice - "Shooting Stars" on the obverse too!

    My term is “bleeding stars” :#

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    goldengolden Posts: 10,459 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice coin.

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