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1952D cent double strike, PMD, die clash, or ....?

I was told to post this here. I found this 1952D cent coin roll hunting. It looks like a double strike to me (doubled TRUST” at the top). One commenter thought it was likely damage or die clash, but I have doubts on those possibilities. Any suggestions on how this happened? Mint damage?
Thanks!


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  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,992 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Interesting extra S T.

    Anyone?

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  • USSID17USSID17 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A vise job?

  • MsMorrisineMsMorrisine Posts: 35,992 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Oh.

    Forgot to ask.

    Post a pic of the reverse.

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  • tincuptincup Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, lets see the reverse. Doesn't seem to fit a double strike to me... the abrupt right angle indentation to the left of the 'ST' seems odd. Also, if double struck, I would expect to see other remnants of the first strike elsewhere. So I have no explanation right now.

    ----- kj
  • LanceNewmanOCCLanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

    titled strike from a false die is my first impression w/o a reverse image

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  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Could possibly be double struck. Second strike off a tad, obliterating the first strike except in the corner?

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon


  • Here is the reverse and another one of the obverse. I think I can make out a bit of a “U” as well right next to the last “T” in the clear “TRUST” as well.


  • Of course, what I want to see and what might actually be there may differ, lol

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,465 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2021 8:23AM

    Is the coin out of round at all? Is that flat-looking area near LIBERTY thinner on the edge?

  • OldhoopsterOldhoopster Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The flattened rims are a strong indication of PMD, IMO. The indented area on the right doesn't look like it could be caused by a normal die at the mint.

    I'm thinking it was somebody playing with a vise that transferred the letters to something then that was pressed against this coin (similar to what @LanceNewmanOCC posted). Or maybe something left over from a Lucky Cent/encased Cent die. Just guesses, but until somebody has a plausible explanation of how this could occur during the minting process, I'm leaning towards PMD.

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  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,284 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Pass for now

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I am thinking (and agree with @Oldhoopster) that this could well be a Lucky Cent that has been removed from the holder....Many were damaged during the encasing process, which usually consisted of a 'press' to insert the cent in what was a transition fit opening. The press could certainly transfer letter impressions if a tad off center. Cheers, RickO

  • USSID17USSID17 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some call 911, ask for Fred!

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's all damage.

    Retired Collector & Dealer in Major Mint Error Coins & Currency since the 1960's.Co-Author of Whitman's "100 Greatest U.S. Mint Error Coins", and the Error Coin Encyclopedia, Vols., III & IV. Retired Authenticator for Major Mint Errors for PCGS. A 50+ Year PNG Member.A full-time numismatist since 1972, retired in 2022.
  • USSID17USSID17 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Okay, which one of you guys had the speed dial to 911??

  • FredWeinbergFredWeinberg Posts: 5,929 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I get to my office early !

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  • USSID17USSID17 Posts: 1,264 ✭✭✭✭✭

    You need to carry a pager!

    I can hear the youngins' now...........what's a pager?? :D

  • Thanks muck. It had to be TGTBT!

  • *much

  • WAYNEASWAYNEAS Posts: 7,010 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Welcome aboard @FF93USAFA
    PMD to me.
    Wayne

    Kennedys are my quest...

  • JBKJBK Posts: 16,465 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 22, 2021 8:29AM

    @USSID17 said:
    You need to carry a pager!

    I can hear the youngins' now...........what's a pager?? :D

    I saw one on an older TV show recently.

    I understand that doctors still use them and waitstaff in many restaurants use a variation, but otherwise pagers are a totally obsolete concept.

    If you were out somewhere and your pager went off, good luck trying to find a payphone. (What would Superman do in the modern era? :/ )

  • Thanks to everyone for your thoughts and comments. I certainly appreciate it!

    Frank

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