$10 Liberty MS64... just wow. 😖
asheland
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This is pretty bad. 
An older gentleman came into my work to get opinions on his coins...
These were in the group. Luckily the rest was real. 
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For comparison, here’s my $10 which happens to be the same date/MM
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Not gold in the slightest! The holders look kinda good at a distance, but in hand it's really easy to tell. They are off in every aspect...
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Looks real to me!
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How do you know it's not real? Looks like someone swapped the coin but kept the holder inserts.
Here's the cert lookup:
https://ngccoin.com/certlookup/3675007-008/64/
Can't tell from the coin but either it's a fake or perhaps a typo?
There is no way in H-E double hockey sticks that coin gets an MS grade.
Even Stevie Wonder knows better.
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Heck of a good job of swapping that coin out, sucks for the customer.
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Yikes! Really really bad fake.
I am not a krugerrand expert but seems like those are pretty easy to ID as fake just because they are the wrong color.
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Counterfeit slab with real insert from a crackout? I hate it when people are scammed this way. It would be ideal if everyone knew what MS64 looked like and all but still.
Edit, shows another reason why having TV be the coin + having available slab images can be a great anti-scam tool for PCGS.
Bad slab.
Cert check shows this is clearly not the right coin. NGC also warns of "Possible counterfeit holder" so it appears they know these are out there with this cert number.
https://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/3675007-008/64/
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Hmmm...doesn’t look like a fake slab. I agree that the coin was swapped out. Hard to tell from the images how well the slab was resealed. After looking more, the prongs are suspect.
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Though it would be a pre 1866 until I looked closer to see it was 20th century
I promise, the holder and the insert are fake. I’ve seen many NGC slabs. The ticket, the plastic and hologram are fake. They’re all off. I showed the gentleman that has them a real NGC slab side by side and you can clearly see everything about it is off.
No swapping of coins, it’s entirely counterfeit.
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Admittedly the hologram is the most convincing part. But next to a real slab, you can see the texture is different. In the picture it looks pretty good.
Even the color of the slab plastic is different than a real slab.
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The plastic prongs are wider in the first image.
Good detective work @asheland !!
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Wow, I feel really bad if it would have made it on to eBay. I wonder that’s how he got it?
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Yikes. I was initially thinking, “wow, that’s the weakest strike I’ve ever seen”.
Thanks asheland, this was one of the most interesting and educational post I've seen here.
I have K-rands, all BU and just butt-ugly IMHO, and it never occurred to me to get them graded and encapsulated. They are bullion.
They have a "feel" to them, which is easy to learn. Gold is heavy. I don't know how one would feel in plastic.
From what I understand, he got them from a guy in person. Flea market I believe.
Sad what dishonest people are willing to do.
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Yeah, really sucks how people go out of their way to be dishonest. I always thought if dishonest people put in half the time and brain cells to real work as they do for bad things they would be rich!
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That's bad.
Will an xrf be able to read that coin thru the plastic holder? Peace Roy
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Wow... When viewed by itself, for an inexperienced collector, that would sell for sure. Thanks for show it and describing the issues.... will certainly help new collectors here. Cheers, RickO
They do. I’ve had slabbed coins scanned through the plastic.
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