CAC’d NGC crossed over to PCGS didn’t CAC
bp777
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I sent the old ngc holder (3041772001/ms 63 85 CC) in to PCGS to attempt a crossover. It crossed over (41018761). But when i sent it to CAC, it didn’t CAC. Anything i can do? Or am i just a dumbass?
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You could always call JA to see if he had notes about when it was in the NGC holder and ask what he saw different the second time. If you can call before it gets shipped back so much the better.
If you have a photo of the coin in the old holder with a sticker on it, submit it to CAC with a note and they'll probably re-sticker it.
If you don't have a photo, try to find an auction reference, receipt, grading submission, or something that would "prove" to CAC that it was previously stickered at a certain grade.
If he remembered the coin he may have liked the chance to correct a mistake. Hard to say.
Yeah i have a pic of the old holder. I tried to call today, but it was too late. Ill call first thing in the morn.
Thank you
If I recall correctly, when you cross to PCGS they return the NGC insert along with the coin. I always tape that insert to the new PCGS holder when I send it back to CAC.
Perhaps JA made an error in judgment the first time around and this was his way of correcting it.
I always include a picture of the coin in its original holder with the CAC sticker.
With any opinion, there are always 50/50 opinions. It might be a very close call.
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When it comes to grading coins, you are getting practiced opinions, not measurable, repeatable standards. If discussions do not produce the desired result, try resubmitting for another opinion. Cheers, RickO
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Once a coin is removed from its slab the former "opinions" are erased. Opinions, opinions, opinions.
No nothing you can do. What all told it cost you $60 (w fees, shipx) just to submit and get same grade?
In looking at the coin the horrible dark spot on reverse not sb CAC anyway...he originally cac’d that lol? C coin IMO. I guess CAC got it right the 2nd time in not awarding sticker. My gosh in grading and CAC fees plus shipx how much have you spent?
That one would start on eBay at bluesheet and get rid of it (assuming it gets bids).
I would suggest you junk the holder / sticker game.
I don't care about crossover, but I would definitely never attempt to crossover a CAC coin to another grading service. There is no guarantee on the grade you will receive nor the CAC status.
I have said this in the past but not recently. Coin grading is lot like radiology, my profession, in many ways.
Not only are there radiology studies that show inter-observer disagreement on cases, there are studies showing that the same person presented the same case can read it differently, up to 25% of the time. There were times that I would read a follow-up case and wonder who was the dumbass who said, "such and such" last time, only to find out that it was me.
Usually if it’s already stickered and the holder is in good shape, I’m content to leave well enough alone.
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The spot below the wing may be the cause, he might have missed it the first time. He hates those, I have talked with JA about this on mercs....
Is it possible the NGC holder was junky and something became clearer through the fresh plastic? I do agree with @Cougar1978 that the spot is rather distracting, though I can't say I pay enough attention to CAC to have a great handle on their standards.
I just had that problem! I was recently moved into a group I spent a short time in quite a few years ago, with my main task bringing back to life (and updating) some code. Only problem is that I'm the one who wrote it, so every stupid decision in there is purely my fault, and I hate it.
Sometimes t's hard to figure out how things work between the grading services. I bought this 1838 half eagle to fill hole in my set when I was frustrated at finding nothing at an ANA Winter show. It is graded NGC AU-58 CAC. I showed it to a dealer, whose opinion I respect, and he told me it was over graded. Looking at it, I tend to agree that it's probably more of an AU-55, but the coin has original surfaces, and I'm okay with it. After all, it's only money.
If it really is only an AU-55, but it crossed to PCGS as an AU-58, would it still CAC? Those are questions that only PCGS and CAC could answer. It's part of the reason why I don't play the U.S, coin grading game any more.
Your invoice for crossover to PCGS should have the NGC cert number on it, if I recall correctly, and your online results should show the PCGS grade, PCGS cert number and PCGS invoice submission number on them. Copy the original invoice to PCGS and print out the PCGS results. If you do this, you will prove that you sent the coin to PCGS in the NGC holder and that PCGS crossed it without alteration. Therefore, CAC will see a chain of custody on the coin and should place a new sticker on it.
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Not arguing with the above, but just throwing this out there...
In order for a coin to go from an NGC holder to a PCGS one, it has to come out of the NGC holder. While it is between holders, is it possible for anything to occur which could impact a later evaluation of the coin?
I hv others to submit, so I’ll just resubmit with a pic and the NGC label and see what happens. Thank you
The coin may have taken a turn to the worse in between viewings?
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I was thinking that too. Old holders can get pretty hazey over time.
I hv a ms60pl that CAC’d so maybe I’ll just sell this one after if it doesn’t submit the next time
Do you like the coin or the sticker?
It would be nice if PCGS (or NGC for that matter) set up a process for crossovers or reholders (in my case) where if there was CAC on the holder and verified by CAC that if or when they slab the coin they have a special label in recognition that it was CAC sticker on the original holder (like a Green Star ). I would pay an extra 5$ or 10$ fee for the special label insert.
I have sent back into NGC and PCGS to reholder a number of coins where where the holder have been scratch or chipped and they had a CAC sticker. In those cases I am not sending the slab back to CAC to be restickered as it is still in the database and have no plans to sell.
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By the way, if this were a GTG, in spite of the chatter on the obverse and the spot on the reverse, I would have called this a solid 63.
@bp777 great OP!
Let's look at this through the lens of intelligent, fully functioning adult thought:
You’ve abandoned any regard for the collectable and instead you’re chasing a holder, a label and a freakin' sticker (which in absolute point of fact constitutes nothing more than a purchased “opinion” from someone else that you and thousands of others have PROVEN over and over and over is completely inconsistent.....with no responsibility for being so).
Dumbass? Well, that's very broad and subjective.
What you may be, however, is one, a few or all of the following:
1) Greedy.
2) Ignorant about Numismatics and instead of educating yourself you choose to pay others to give you your opinion.
3) Greedy.
4) Insecure. You require the external validation of subjective opinions to feel good about "your" choice of a collectable...to the point you purchase their (proven) inconsistent opinion...and then you complain when you don't get it.
5) Greedy.
Regardless, one thing you can feel great about is being EXACTLY what the sticker business relies on!
Next time anyone wonders how the numismatic companies gained control over the marketplace....well here's your answer! They promote greed. Pretty simple really.