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Grades popped today on two gold toners.. take a look and a guess
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$5 graded AU58, $20 graded AU55
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AU55 and MS62?
58,63. Giving them a color bump.
Both are beautiful no matter what the grades.
My guess
55
63
58 and 58, in no particular order.
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58+
55
55
58
58 and 60. Love them
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Both 58 and drop dead stunning!
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58
55
the images are not helping the cause for an MS estimate as to the grade.
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55
55
In no particular order
58
55
in that order
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55, 58.
This looks like the same saint from another thread a while back...
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55 55 in that order
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I think there may be a thread on the $5 as well, lol
55, 62
Looking forward to the trueviews.
Edited to add... not that these are bad pictures, more curious about how they compare!
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These are actually some of the former trueviews.... lol. I will post some comparisons soon
Leather pouch toning, both 55's. Not sure CAC likes these but it would be good try and see.
These coins don't need CAC stickers. They speak for themselves.
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Seems like one or both did not straight grade before.
I'm guessing they graded this time.
58 and 53
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I really like the Saint Gaudens,,,,,,,,,,,
I see both of them as 58's also.
58,
62
They don’t need to be graded, either.
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58 x 2
They have to be graded if you want them authenticated and protected by a sonically sealed slab. In this case I don't see any value added for a CAC sticker. These are beautiful coins but they are also essentially bullion coins. Is there any benefit to getting a CAC sticker for an AGE in a PCGS MS68 slab?
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I agree with you about CAC in this case. But since (as you indicated) they are essentially bullion coins, I don’t think there’s any more need for authentication and sonically sealed holders than there is for CAC stickers. Of course, what counts is what the OP thinks/prefers.
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Crust-o-licious coins.
I am happy to say both coins received a straight grade this time. As with most toners, the angle you hold it/shoot it changes the appearance drastically. These go from mostly gold looking, to blazing colors.
Here are some of my shots of the 1901-S:
Here are the Trueview pics from the first two grading attempts for this coin. First time it graded AU details, environmental damage. Second time was AU details, cleaned. The third trueviews are not in yet.
Here are some of my shots of the 1914:
These are the trueview pics from the first grading attempt. It graded AU details, scratched. Newest Trueviews are not in yet.
If the grade don’t fit, you must re-submit...
The colors on that 1901S feel more like a copper pattern than an actual gold coin- I love it!
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I love the 1901. Ill guess ms63. Maybe 62. And 58 on the saint.
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WOW!!! I love the color.
Most toning I have seen on gold coins like this do not seem to me to be long term results, but due to sitting on a radiator for a while or as one guy said, wrap in aluminum foil put in oven on high for 15 minute cycles.....
I'm interested in hearing why you think this. Anything to back up that statement? I've heard similar things, but have never seen anyone be able to replicate long term gold toning.
Looks like long tern storage in a leather purse to me.
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Does anyone here have a junk 900 fine gold coin that's been harshly cleaned or holed and who would be willing to bake it their oven? It would be interesting to see if it can be toned and what the final results would look like.
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Convection?
Seriously, what temperature and how long?
@logger7 Any guidance as to temperature and how long? With or without foil?
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For what it's worth, I tried sandwiching some gold in various leather strips for a few year in different locations (safe, window pane, etc) and none turned at all. I only did a year and a half or so.
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Just bake until golden brown...
For the stuff that isn’t doctored, toning is typically caused when the alloy is not mixed or distributed evenly and copper, silver, and the rest of the non gold portion of the alloy are concentrated near the surface. I’m therefore not surprised you might see wildly varying results.
I agree and said it above.
I am not sure this is completely correct, these alloys are refined from Au concentrated melts at several thousand C. They get fairly well mixed up and when planchets are made from the quench there is no reason for the surfaces to have any more or less Ag or Cu in them relative to the interiors. Whether the splotchy toning on the surface means inhomogeneous mixtures of the alloys, one would have to do in-situ analyrtical scans with something like and SEM using EDS. Is there some data published on this? It may have more to do with what kinds of volatile compounds are on the surfaces in any given spot to cause reaction, but one would have to do analytical work to determine this.
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I’d like to see a chemical analytical work up too. Most of the true rainbow toned specimens I have seen have areas where a copper color can be seen and a number have copper spots too also suggesting a poor mix at least for those coins.
If color/toning has more to do with “what kinds of volatile compounds are on the surfaces...”. would that account for copper spots which sometimes reappear after being removed?
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