Unless you're a Dr, medical professional or scientist I personally don't care what opinion you have formed. I don't care where you get your news or statistics or who is peddling it.
Conspiracy theories can kill. We've all seen that. Please return to your regularly scheduled programming.
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@ricko said:
I am certainly qualified to get the vaccine.... and would. However, I am on three lists and no calls yet. Vaccine is scarce in this area ...and the state it seems.... That being said, I work and deal with the public. I have been to several gun shows with large groups (hundreds, even thousands) of people. I do wear a mask, even though cloth masks are virtually worthless against a virus. I sure do not want to get this virus (lost two friends already), so will continue with common sense precautions and hope for a call to get the vaccine. No reason coin shows cannot go on... gun shows have the same large crowds and lots of older people. Cheers, RickO
Might be the longest post ever for you... haha
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Unless you're a Dr, medical professional or scientist I personally don't care what opinion you have formed. I don't care where you get your news or statistics or who is peddling it.
Conspiracy theories can kill. We've all seen that. Please return to your regularly scheduled programming.
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I don't trust any Dr, medical professional or scientist that is a regular on TV, and would consider anything said to be as reliable as something printed in the National Enquirer (actually the Enquirer may have a better record of being correct)
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@coinbuf said:
Threads like this show how much fear is a motivating factor to believe anything.
@Batman23 said:
For one, with a 99.997% survival rate I don't think I need it. For two, I have have already contracted and beat the COVID so I will trust my natural antibodies over the vaccine. I guess I was very lucky I wasn't one of the 0.003% Someone else that wants the vaccine can have my doses.
US info:
28,523,524 cases to date
505,309 deaths
deaths/cases = 1.77%
That is a rate that is way above 0.003% so not sure where this comes from. Now if under-reporting positive cases is a factor of 10 (i.e. most everyone in the US have had it), that is 0.177% death rate, still 59 times worse than 0.003%. And, it does not include all of the cases that have hard and lingering affects from the virus over the long term.
@BryceM said:
Without being judgmental, or political, I’ll just say this... get it, as soon as you reasonably can. The only way the world gets out of this mess is when people gain immunity, either through having the disease or having the immunization. These are the only two pathways I see. Those who are hesitant to get it are choosing to act contrary to more than 100 years of overwhelming success with immunization programs. Then, we can go to coin shows with the usual amount of risk, which wasn’t ever zero, we should all remember.
Are you aware that this vaccine is not like a normal vaccine which gives you a small amount if the virus so your body develops immunity? This vaccine tries to "trick" your body into developing immunity by affecting your MRNA. No thanks. Not happening for me. I also heard it didnt pass any of the animal tests ie when the animals were given the actual virus after vaccination they all died. Im sure ill be attacked for putting this out there but i dont want to see anyone suffer from a vaccine thats not properly vetted. Thats all
Can you imagine a world with polio, mumps, and measles running through communities every few months? Want to be rendered sterile from getting mumps? Want to spend you life in a wheelchair from getting polio? Want to spend life as a pulmonary cripple from a bad case of pertussis as a youngster? Want to watch some of your grandchildren die in their parents arms from diseases we don't even think about any more?
Vaccines have a proven (but admittedly imperfect) record. The horrors of these diseases are largely forgotten these days. I watched my great uncle spend his life in a wheelchair and I still see patients with post-polio syndrome symptoms. For the record, I also have a neighbor who is spending his life in a wheelchair due to an unusual reaction to a routine childhood vaccine. Yes, stuff happens sometimes. Everything in life involves risk.
Still, I cannot understand the uninformed, selfish thought processes of those who don't want to get vaccinated. Many of them are my friends, and I'm doing what I can, but people believe what they want to believe. I'd like to grab them by the ear and walk them through a pulmonary ICU sometime.
Also, the science behind the development of these new vaccines will promote a huge quantity of spin-off technology. Imagine a world where we could actually eliminate tuberculosis, or the flu, or whatever.....
Can you imagine a world with polio, mumps, and measles running through communities every few months? Want to be rendered sterile from getting mumps? Want to spend you life in a wheelchair from getting polio? Want to spend life as a pulmonary cripple from a bad case of pertussis as a youngster? Want to watch some of your grandchildren die in their parents arms from diseases we don't even think about any more?
Vaccines have a proven (but admittedly imperfect) record. The horrors of these diseases are largely forgotten these days. I watched my great uncle spend his life in a wheelchair and I still see patients with post-polio syndrome symptoms. For the record, I also have a neighbor who is spending his life in a wheelchair due to an unusual reaction to a routine childhood vaccine. Yes, stuff happens sometimes. Everything in life involves risk.
Still, I cannot understand the uninformed, selfish thought processes of those who don't want to get vaccinated. Many of them are my friends, and I'm doing what I can, but people believe what they want to believe. I'd like to grab them by the ear and walk them through a pulmonary ICU sometime.
Also, the science behind the development of these new vaccines will promote a huge quantity of spin-off technology. Imagine a world where we could actually eliminate tuberculosis, or the flu, or whatever.....
Thank you Dr. Well said.
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@coinbuf said:
Threads like this show how much fear is a motivating factor to believe anything.
@Batman23 said:
For one, with a 99.997% survival rate I don't think I need it. For two, I have have already contracted and beat the COVID so I will trust my natural antibodies over the vaccine. I guess I was very lucky I wasn't one of the 0.003% Someone else that wants the vaccine can have my doses.
US info:
28,523,524 cases to date
505,309 deaths
deaths/cases = 1.77%
That is a rate that is way above 0.003% so not sure where this comes from. Now if under-reporting positive cases is a factor of 10 (i.e. most everyone in the US have had it), that is 0.177% death rate, still 59 times worse than 0.003%. And, it does not include all of the cases that have hard and lingering affects from the virus over the long term.
So coins shows without a vaccine? No.
Death rate varies by age and risk factors. I assume he's simply saying that he's in a very low risk group. If you are in your 30s without diabetes or a heart ailment etc., then your survival rate is 99.9%
Are you aware that this vaccine is not like a normal vaccine which gives you a small amount if the virus so your body develops immunity? This vaccine tries to "trick" your body into developing immunity by affecting your MRNA. No thanks. Not happening for me. I also heard it didnt pass any of the animal tests ie when the animals were given the actual virus after vaccination they all died. Im sure ill be attacked for putting this out there but i dont want to see anyone suffer from a vaccine thats not properly vetted. Thats all
Yeah, I'm a practicing orthopedic surgeon and took plenty of immunology, virology, biochemistry, and genetics classes on the way to where I am. I'm no virologist, but I think I understand how mRNA works.
Just to be clear, viruses actually alter your DNA. mRNA is snippets are made and consumed all the time in regular cellular processes. That's how genes are expressed. A random new piece of mRNA (from a vaccine) is simply coded into the appropriate protein and eventually degrades and is eliminated. It doesn't affect your DNA. it's actually an incredibly clever way to fight this nasty bug. Kudos to brilliant people who are saving hundreds of thousands of lives by their efforts.
Can you point me to the animal research you mentioned? I'd love an opportunity to review it.
Probably this thread should be closed before I get myself in trouble.......
I was scared to death of polio when I was a kid. Those images of people in an iron lung haunted me. I was SO grateful when a vaccine was developed by Jonas Salk and later by Sabin.
@chesterb said:
The flu season has been mild so far this year with fewer upper respiratory infections. Masks and social distancing works. Just because people got the vaccine doesn’t mean that we should go back to how things were before. I’ve become accustomed to wearing mine and really don’t notice it anymore. That may not be the most popular opinion here but I do believe it’s true.
Ha ha. The flu season is mild because they are counted as Covid! Are you aware that most of the deaths in the early 1900's due to spanish flu were caused by bacterial infections as a result of mask wearing? Masks are not good for you. Here come the attacks! I dont care im just trying to get people to wake up. Also compare Fla to Ca . Pretty much the same Covid rates. Fla doesnt mandate masks. Ca does. Follow the data
I had no idea that this is where the thread was going when I opened it. Yes, I completed my vaccinations a few weeks ago. Yes, I am encouraging my family and friends to take the vaccine as soon as possible. Yes, I have zero patience for the anti-science, ignorant people who will not wear a mask, will not social distance, and are rejecting perhaps the greatest scientific accomplishment since man landed on the moon. The good news is that before long, the negative externalities of ignorance are going to fall almost entirely on those who are ignorant.
Back to coin shows...I was going to say that based on my recent coin show experience, it is probably going to be FUN or Baltimore or bust. Otherwise, it might take a time machine to get me to go to a coin show, and, frankly, when I attend a local show, I feel like I may have gone back in time...
@BryceM said:
Without being judgmental, or political, I’ll just say this... get it, as soon as you reasonably can. The only way the world gets out of this mess is when people gain immunity, either through having the disease or having the immunization. These are the only two pathways I see. Those who are hesitant to get it are choosing to act contrary to more than 100 years of overwhelming success with immunization programs. Then, we can go to coin shows with the usual amount of risk, which wasn’t ever zero, we should all remember.
Are you aware that this vaccine is not like a normal vaccine which gives you a small amount if the virus so your body develops immunity? This vaccine tries to "trick" your body into developing immunity by affecting your MRNA. No thanks. Not happening for me. I also heard it didnt pass any of the animal tests ie when the animals were given the actual virus after vaccination they all died. Im sure ill be attacked for putting this out there but i dont want to see anyone suffer from a vaccine thats not properly vetted. Thats all
No it doesn't. Your genetic material is DNA not mRNA (messenger RNA). Your DNA is transcribed (i.e. copied with some modifications) in the nucleus into mRNA. MRNA is then transported into the cytosol where it is translated into (i.e. interpreted and used to make) protein by structures called ribosomes. These proteins are the functional building blocks of life. Google "central dogma of molecular biology."
The vaccine does not alter your DNA in anyway. It uses your own cellular machinery (ribosomes in the cytosol of your cells) to translate mRNA containing the sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike (binding) protein. Your body produces the SARS-CoV-2 binding protein which is recognized by the immune system, triggering an immune response and ultimately immunity in the same way that a traditional vaccine using deactivated or attenuated virus does. After several translation events, your body degrades the mRNA on its own without damage to your DNA. Also the spike protein is not infectious. The reactions including fever, etc., are caused by your immune system reacting to the spike protein in the same way that would occur if this were a traditional vaccine.
Cliff notes version: The vaccine uses your cells to make Covid-19 protein that triggers an immune response. The material used mRNA is degraded by your body with no effects on your DNA/genetic material.
It looks like BryceM was typing as I was. Sorry for the redundant post.
Just opened this thread for the first time..... Got my 2 shots already. My county was very organized and have now opened it up to anyone ages 65 and older, persons 18-64 with high-risk medical conditions, police officers, firefighters, health care workers and others identified in "Group 1A".
I guess the availability and speed depends on what state you're in and how they're doing it.
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@coinbuf said:
Threads like this show how much fear is a motivating factor to believe anything.
@Batman23 said:
For one, with a 99.997% survival rate I don't think I need it. For two, I have have already contracted and beat the COVID so I will trust my natural antibodies over the vaccine. I guess I was very lucky I wasn't one of the 0.003% Someone else that wants the vaccine can have my doses.
US info:
28,523,524 cases to date
505,309 deaths
deaths/cases = 1.77%
That is a rate that is way above 0.003% so not sure where this comes from. Now if under-reporting positive cases is a factor of 10 (i.e. most everyone in the US have had it), that is 0.177% death rate, still 59 times worse than 0.003%. And, it does not include all of the cases that have hard and lingering affects from the virus over the long term.
So coins shows without a vaccine? No.
Agree 100%. I'll add that there is data suggesting that even asymptomatic and mild infections can produce damage to the heart and lungs. Even though some of it may be reversible, there is also evidence to suggest that it can increase your risk of heart attack and other cardiopulmonary problems in the future. The vaccine gives your body a head start in fighting off an invading virus and could mitigate damage. It would be foolish not to take it when offered.
What about those that already have natural immunity after contracting Covid? Perhaps a different way to identify them..
Immunity ? Nope. Best friends wife tested positive with symptoms in November. Came down sick late last week. Dr. appt. Tuesday. Tested, positive results back Wednesday. She doesn't know as she was admitted Tuesday evening and is currently on a ventilator. Unsure if it is the same or different strain.
Yes, this is known. It is also not known how long the vaccine immunity lasts
A lot of the tests give false positives. They use an amplification rate of close to 40 when its supposed to be less than 30. Of course i dont know what test your friend got or if it was valid
I have seen dozens of scans of lungs that have been permanently damaged by COVID. And I am just one part-time radiologist. There are long term effects being identified, and I read new reports in the medical news and literature everyday. This morning, I read about permanent loss of vision in some COVID survivors. Not much use going to a coin show if you cannot see the damn coins.
Are you aware that this vaccine is not like a normal vaccine which gives you a small amount if the virus so your body develops immunity? This vaccine tries to "trick" your body into developing immunity by affecting your MRNA. No thanks. Not happening for me. I also heard it didnt pass any of the animal tests ie when the animals were given the actual virus after vaccination they all died. Im sure ill be attacked for putting this out there but i dont want to see anyone suffer from a vaccine thats not properly vetted. Thats all
Yeah, I'm a practicing orthopedic surgeon and took plenty of immunology, virology, biochemistry, and genetics classes on the way to where I am. I'm no virologist, but I think I understand how mRNA works.
Just to be clear, viruses actually alter your DNA. mRNA is snippets are made and consumed all the time in regular cellular processes. That's how genes are expressed. A random new piece of mRNA (from a vaccine) is simply coded into the appropriate protein and eventually degrades and is eliminated. It doesn't affect your DNA. it's actually an incredibly clever way to fight this nasty bug. Kudos to brilliant people who are saving hundreds of thousands of lives by their efforts.
Can you point me to the animal research you mentioned? I'd love an opportunity to review it.
Probably this thread should be closed before I get myself in trouble.......
Conspiracy theory or legitimate concern? I would sure like to have a non-politicalized and unbiased source I can trust to expand on this. Dr Gold had similar reference in a presentation she did. I would be interested in your thoughts on this too.
What about those that already have natural immunity after contracting Covid? Perhaps a different way to identify them..
Immunity ? Nope. Best friends wife tested positive with symptoms in November. Came down sick late last week. Dr. appt. Tuesday. Tested, positive results back Wednesday. She doesn't know as she was admitted Tuesday evening and is currently on a ventilator. Unsure if it is the same or different strain.
Yes, this is known. It is also not known how long the vaccine immunity lasts
A lot of the tests give false positives. They use an amplification rate of close to 40 when its supposed to be less than 30. Of course i dont know what test your friend got or if it was valid
The normal/default state is no SARS-CoV-2 antibodies (IgG). Zero times any multiple still equals zero. If you have antibodies for it, you have had the infection.
@RYK said:
I had no idea that this is where the thread was going when I opened it. Yes, I completed my vaccinations a few weeks ago. Yes, I am encouraging my family and friends to take the vaccine as soon as possible. Yes, I have zero patience for the anti-science, ignorant people who will not wear a mask, will not social distance, and are rejecting perhaps the greatest scientific accomplishment since man landed on the moon. The good news is that before long, the negative externalities of ignorance are going to fall almost entirely on those who are ignorant.
Back to coin shows...I was going to say that based on my recent coin show experience, it is probably going to be FUN or Baltimore or bust. Otherwise, it might take a time machine to get me to go to a coin show, and, frankly, when I attend a local show, I feel like I may have gone back in time...
"anti-science, ignorant people who will not wear a mask, " Ii find the people who always accuse others of being anti science always follow the data the least. And yes i do wear a mask otherwise i cant get into the stores in NY. I was in Fla recently and masks were optional. And guess what they are doing fine.
@RYK said:
I had no idea that this is where the thread was going when I opened it. Yes, I completed my vaccinations a few weeks ago. Yes, I am encouraging my family and friends to take the vaccine as soon as possible. Yes, I have zero patience for the anti-science, ignorant people who will not wear a mask, will not social distance, and are rejecting perhaps the greatest scientific accomplishment since man landed on the moon. The good news is that before long, the negative externalities of ignorance are going to fall almost entirely on those who are ignorant.
Back to coin shows...I was going to say that based on my recent coin show experience, it is probably going to be FUN or Baltimore or bust. Otherwise, it might take a time machine to get me to go to a coin show, and, frankly, when I attend a local show, I feel like I may have gone back in time...
"anti-science, ignorant people who will not wear a mask, " Ii find the people who always accuse others of being anti science always follow the data the least. And yes i do wear a mask otherwise i cant get into the stores in NY. I was in Fla recently and masks were optional. And guess what they are doing fine.
Isn't Florida also rolling out the vaccine early and effectively?... Cough. Cough.
"Can you point me to the animal research you mentioned? I'd love an opportunity to review it" It was on a video i saw. It may or may not be true. Ill see if i can find it. Im just trying to get people to question what they are being fed by the govt and MSM. For some reason i get attacked and belittled when i do that. The people here know who they are .
@BryceM said:
A YouTube video is not research. I want to review the published study.
That I agree with.
You asked what the animal study was. I mention that this Dr. references it. I have no idea as this is not my field. I was hoping you would recognize it or know where to find it. Just got to sort past the conspiracy part...
@stockdude_ said:
"Can you point me to the animal research you mentioned? I'd love an opportunity to review it" It was on a video i saw. It may or may not be true. Ill see if i can find it. Im just trying to get people to question what they are being fed by the govt and MSM. For some reason i get attacked and belittled when i do that. The people here know who they are .
A YouTube video is not a peer-reviewed journal.
I saw a video where bigfoot had sex with Jennifer Aniston. Definitely true.
@chesterb said:
The flu season has been mild so far this year with fewer upper respiratory infections. Masks and social distancing works. Just because people got the vaccine doesn’t mean that we should go back to how things were before. I’ve become accustomed to wearing mine and really don’t notice it anymore. That may not be the most popular opinion here but I do believe it’s true.
Ha ha. The flu season is mild because they are counted as Covid! Are you aware that most of the deaths in the early 1900's due to spanish flu were caused by bacterial infections as a result of mask wearing? Masks are not good for you. Here come the attacks! I dont care im just trying to get people to wake up. Also compare Fla to Ca . Pretty much the same Covid rates. Fla doesnt mandate masks. Ca does. Follow the data
@BryceM said:
A YouTube video is not research. I want to review the published study.
That I agree with.
You asked what the animal study was. I mention that this Dr. references it. I have no idea as this is not my field. I was hoping you would recognize it or know where to find it. Just got to sort past the conspiracy part...
I watched some of it. She seemed to be reference animal studies on "similar diseases" not anything specific about Covid 19.
@stockdude_ said:
"Can you point me to the animal research you mentioned? I'd love an opportunity to review it" It was on a video i saw. It may or may not be true. Ill see if i can find it. Im just trying to get people to question what they are being fed by the govt and MSM. For some reason i get attacked and belittled when i do that. The people here know who they are .
A YouTube video is not a peer-reviewed journal.
I saw a video where bigfoot had sex with Jennifer Aniston. Definitely true.
Yeah you're real funny. I clearly stated it was mentioned in a video. I never said i saw the peer reviewed journal. Maybe get off the coin boards for awhile and look around? They have this think called the internet you know
@BryceM said:
A YouTube video is not research. I want to review the published study.
That I agree with.
You asked what the animal study was. I mention that this Dr. references it. I have no idea as this is not my field. I was hoping you would recognize it or know where to find it. Just got to sort past the conspiracy part...
I watched some of it. She seemed to be reference animal studies on "similar diseases" not anything specific about Covid 19.
The reverence was to the SARS COV-1. Covid-19 is SARS COV-2. My limited understanding is that they are both Respiratory Corona Virus. Similar in many ways but not the same.
@BryceM said:
A YouTube video is not research. I want to review the published study.
That I agree with.
You asked what the animal study was. I mention that this Dr. references it. I have no idea as this is not my field. I was hoping you would recognize it or know where to find it. Just got to sort past the conspiracy part...
I watched some of it. She seemed to be reference animal studies on "similar diseases" not anything specific about Covid 19.
The reverence was to the SARS COV-1. Covid-19 is SARS COV-2. My limited understanding is that they are both Respiratory Corona Virus. Similar in many ways but not the same.
@stockdude_ said:
"Can you point me to the animal research you mentioned? I'd love an opportunity to review it" It was on a video i saw. It may or may not be true. Ill see if i can find it. Im just trying to get people to question what they are being fed by the govt and MSM. For some reason i get attacked and belittled when i do that. The people here know who they are .
A YouTube video is not a peer-reviewed journal.
I saw a video where bigfoot had sex with Jennifer Aniston. Definitely true.
Yeah you're real funny. I clearly stated it was mentioned in a video. I never said i saw the peer reviewed journal. Maybe get off the coin boards for awhile and look around? They have this think called the internet you know
Here's the animal study that confirms the video was wrong. Maybe you should take your own advice. Took me about 5 minutes to find it.
I'm not the one posting unreferenced scientific/medical opinions on a public forum.
A little internet research also shows that Lee Merrit (@batman23 video) and Simone Gold (who also has a video) are both members of "America's Frontline Doctors". Google them.
@RYK said:
I had no idea that this is where the thread was going when I opened it. Yes, I completed my vaccinations a few weeks ago. Yes, I am encouraging my family and friends to take the vaccine as soon as possible. Yes, I have zero patience for the anti-science, ignorant people who will not wear a mask, will not social distance, and are rejecting perhaps the greatest scientific accomplishment since man landed on the moon. The good news is that before long, the negative externalities of ignorance are going to fall almost entirely on those who are ignorant.
Back to coin shows...I was going to say that based on my recent coin show experience, it is probably going to be FUN or Baltimore or bust. Otherwise, it might take a time machine to get me to go to a coin show, and, frankly, when I attend a local show, I feel like I may have gone back in time...
Well said Dr Robert
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@stockdude_ said:
"Can you point me to the animal research you mentioned? I'd love an opportunity to review it" It was on a video i saw. It may or may not be true. Ill see if i can find it. Im just trying to get people to question what they are being fed by the govt and MSM. For some reason i get attacked and belittled when i do that. The people here know who they are .
A YouTube video is not a peer-reviewed journal.
I saw a video where bigfoot had sex with Jennifer Aniston. Definitely true.
Yeah you're real funny. I clearly stated it was mentioned in a video. I never said i saw the peer reviewed journal. Maybe get off the coin boards for awhile and look around? They have this think called the internet you know
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Not sure when my local club will have another show. The last few years they have been in a large auditorium with high ceilings and good ventilation. I think I would like to see a higher % of folks vaccinated, though. Speaking of vaccines, they are safe and effective. I'm old enough to have had relatives who grew up in the pre vaccine era; my grandmother's 3 siblings were all deaf due to measles. As an intern, I took care of a child (unvaccinated) with pertussis ( it's called whooping cough for a reason); all we could do was put him in an oxygen tent and give him IV fluids because he coughed constantly and could not stop to eat or drink. Pretty awful. I've lost patients to Covid19, had others still fighting brain fog and fatigue after "recovery," 4 of my staff have had it. So get vaccinated as soon as you can.
Hope to see ya'll at a show , sometime.
...I didn’t say you were a problem...however, I do think of you every time I watch Back To School. I think your funny and part of the forum family just like most in here, that’s all
...I didn’t say you were a problem...however, I do think of you every time I watch Back To School. I think your funny and part of the forum family just like most in here, that’s all
LOL. Well, since that is an under-rated movie, I will take it as a complement!
Conspiracy theory or legitimate concern? I would sure like to have a non-politicalized and unbiased source I can trust to expand on this. Dr Gold had similar reference in a presentation she did. I would be interested in your thoughts on this too.
How about trusting all of the med doctors who have contributed to this thread and all around the US? They are the experts and have first hand knowledge are the best unbiased sources around. The politics on this is bc of a certain person(s) that we all know. Hey but believe what you want it is your life and coins shows that are being sacrificed when one won't believe the experts on this........
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Conspiracy theory or legitimate concern? I would sure like to have a non-politicalized and unbiased source I can trust to expand on this. Dr Gold had similar reference in a presentation she did. I would be interested in your thoughts on this too.
Further, it is a disease and it does not care about politics, it will happily invade you with all of the potential ramifications that have been documented. So again, I am not walking into a coin show, or any other public venue with alot of people, until I get the vaccine..........
Conspiracy theory or legitimate concern? I would sure like to have a non-politicalized and unbiased source I can trust to expand on this. Dr Gold had similar reference in a presentation she did. I would be interested in your thoughts on this too.
How about trusting all of the med doctors who have contributed to this thread and all around the US? They are the experts and have first hand knowledge are the best unbiased sources around. The politics on this is bc of a certain person(s) that we all know. Hey but believe what you want it is your life and coins shows that are being sacrificed when one won't believe the experts on this........
I think coin shows are offline for sometime - still to be determined and a complex issue. All factors are pertinent to proper analysis.
Even then attendance may be greatly reduced bc of Corona (vaccine not 100 pct guarantee plus will it mutate like HIV?) / Financial fallout concerns / factors making these bad selling shows for me so no go. I know from experience if poor show attendance / lack of people coming in bourse room with money a bad selling show. But if money in your pocket shows can be an exciting treasure hunt. One can’t make any money buying and selling at wholesale.....or bad rain of lookey looks / tire kickers. Wake up and smell the coffee - Coins are not a needed thing like food, housing, medical, auto. So some point in future I may attend shows to buy (not setup).
The long term economic fallout has reduced income for many who will never recover from the damage. Many forced into an unhappy early retirement / taking reduced rate crap jobs like many victims of the oil price crash. I am content with buy / sell online. Bay managed pmts has reduced my bay variable selling costs plus increased sales.
The all in the deal mode operation for me (buy right / sell strong) will not change. Moving forward I wonder what numismatic items have potential or will fall considering the situation. Quality low pop material should do well.
@jmlanzaf said:
This is another one of those political posts posing as a coin post.
I don't like coin shows. Guess I won't get vaccinated.
Political?
If you believe such, why didn't you just ignore it?
Backstory- JM did not believe this pandemic would be a big deal and he is drawn to anything that could even possibly lead to an arguement...you get used to it as he knows a lot about coins, so gotta take the good with the bad.
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I saw there is a show near grand rapids this weekend. Think it is called 4 mile coin show for those who leave near there
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Unless you're a Dr, medical professional or scientist I personally don't care what opinion you have formed. I don't care where you get your news or statistics or who is peddling it.
Conspiracy theories can kill. We've all seen that. Please return to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Thank you for sharing.
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I don't trust any Dr, medical professional or scientist that is a regular on TV, and would consider anything said to be as reliable as something printed in the National Enquirer (actually the Enquirer may have a better record of being correct)
US info:
28,523,524 cases to date
505,309 deaths
deaths/cases = 1.77%
That is a rate that is way above 0.003% so not sure where this comes from. Now if under-reporting positive cases is a factor of 10 (i.e. most everyone in the US have had it), that is 0.177% death rate, still 59 times worse than 0.003%. And, it does not include all of the cases that have hard and lingering affects from the virus over the long term.
So coins shows without a vaccine? No.
Are you aware that this vaccine is not like a normal vaccine which gives you a small amount if the virus so your body develops immunity? This vaccine tries to "trick" your body into developing immunity by affecting your MRNA. No thanks. Not happening for me. I also heard it didnt pass any of the animal tests ie when the animals were given the actual virus after vaccination they all died. Im sure ill be attacked for putting this out there but i dont want to see anyone suffer from a vaccine thats not properly vetted. Thats all
Forget COVID for a second.
Can you imagine a world with polio, mumps, and measles running through communities every few months? Want to be rendered sterile from getting mumps? Want to spend you life in a wheelchair from getting polio? Want to spend life as a pulmonary cripple from a bad case of pertussis as a youngster? Want to watch some of your grandchildren die in their parents arms from diseases we don't even think about any more?
Vaccines have a proven (but admittedly imperfect) record. The horrors of these diseases are largely forgotten these days. I watched my great uncle spend his life in a wheelchair and I still see patients with post-polio syndrome symptoms. For the record, I also have a neighbor who is spending his life in a wheelchair due to an unusual reaction to a routine childhood vaccine. Yes, stuff happens sometimes. Everything in life involves risk.
Still, I cannot understand the uninformed, selfish thought processes of those who don't want to get vaccinated. Many of them are my friends, and I'm doing what I can, but people believe what they want to believe. I'd like to grab them by the ear and walk them through a pulmonary ICU sometime.
Also, the science behind the development of these new vaccines will promote a huge quantity of spin-off technology. Imagine a world where we could actually eliminate tuberculosis, or the flu, or whatever.....
Thank you Dr. Well said.
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Death rate varies by age and risk factors. I assume he's simply saying that he's in a very low risk group. If you are in your 30s without diabetes or a heart ailment etc., then your survival rate is 99.9%
Yeah, I'm a practicing orthopedic surgeon and took plenty of immunology, virology, biochemistry, and genetics classes on the way to where I am. I'm no virologist, but I think I understand how mRNA works.
Just to be clear, viruses actually alter your DNA. mRNA is snippets are made and consumed all the time in regular cellular processes. That's how genes are expressed. A random new piece of mRNA (from a vaccine) is simply coded into the appropriate protein and eventually degrades and is eliminated. It doesn't affect your DNA. it's actually an incredibly clever way to fight this nasty bug. Kudos to brilliant people who are saving hundreds of thousands of lives by their efforts.
Can you point me to the animal research you mentioned? I'd love an opportunity to review it.
Probably this thread should be closed before I get myself in trouble.......
I was scared to death of polio when I was a kid. Those images of people in an iron lung haunted me. I was SO grateful when a vaccine was developed by Jonas Salk and later by Sabin.
Ha ha. The flu season is mild because they are counted as Covid! Are you aware that most of the deaths in the early 1900's due to spanish flu were caused by bacterial infections as a result of mask wearing? Masks are not good for you. Here come the attacks! I dont care im just trying to get people to wake up. Also compare Fla to Ca . Pretty much the same Covid rates. Fla doesnt mandate masks. Ca does. Follow the data
I had no idea that this is where the thread was going when I opened it. Yes, I completed my vaccinations a few weeks ago. Yes, I am encouraging my family and friends to take the vaccine as soon as possible. Yes, I have zero patience for the anti-science, ignorant people who will not wear a mask, will not social distance, and are rejecting perhaps the greatest scientific accomplishment since man landed on the moon. The good news is that before long, the negative externalities of ignorance are going to fall almost entirely on those who are ignorant.
Back to coin shows...I was going to say that based on my recent coin show experience, it is probably going to be FUN or Baltimore or bust. Otherwise, it might take a time machine to get me to go to a coin show, and, frankly, when I attend a local show, I feel like I may have gone back in time...
No it doesn't. Your genetic material is DNA not mRNA (messenger RNA). Your DNA is transcribed (i.e. copied with some modifications) in the nucleus into mRNA. MRNA is then transported into the cytosol where it is translated into (i.e. interpreted and used to make) protein by structures called ribosomes. These proteins are the functional building blocks of life. Google "central dogma of molecular biology."
The vaccine does not alter your DNA in anyway. It uses your own cellular machinery (ribosomes in the cytosol of your cells) to translate mRNA containing the sequence for the SARS-CoV-2 spike (binding) protein. Your body produces the SARS-CoV-2 binding protein which is recognized by the immune system, triggering an immune response and ultimately immunity in the same way that a traditional vaccine using deactivated or attenuated virus does. After several translation events, your body degrades the mRNA on its own without damage to your DNA. Also the spike protein is not infectious. The reactions including fever, etc., are caused by your immune system reacting to the spike protein in the same way that would occur if this were a traditional vaccine.
Cliff notes version: The vaccine uses your cells to make Covid-19 protein that triggers an immune response. The material used mRNA is degraded by your body with no effects on your DNA/genetic material.
It looks like BryceM was typing as I was. Sorry for the redundant post.
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Just opened this thread for the first time..... Got my 2 shots already. My county was very organized and have now opened it up to anyone ages 65 and older, persons 18-64 with high-risk medical conditions, police officers, firefighters, health care workers and others identified in "Group 1A".
I guess the availability and speed depends on what state you're in and how they're doing it.
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Agree 100%. I'll add that there is data suggesting that even asymptomatic and mild infections can produce damage to the heart and lungs. Even though some of it may be reversible, there is also evidence to suggest that it can increase your risk of heart attack and other cardiopulmonary problems in the future. The vaccine gives your body a head start in fighting off an invading virus and could mitigate damage. It would be foolish not to take it when offered.
A lot of the tests give false positives. They use an amplification rate of close to 40 when its supposed to be less than 30. Of course i dont know what test your friend got or if it was valid
I have seen dozens of scans of lungs that have been permanently damaged by COVID. And I am just one part-time radiologist. There are long term effects being identified, and I read new reports in the medical news and literature everyday. This morning, I read about permanent loss of vision in some COVID survivors. Not much use going to a coin show if you cannot see the damn coins.
I think he is referencing what Dr Merritt talks about in this interview: https://youtube.com/watch?v=3mPIomjWwd4
Conspiracy theory or legitimate concern? I would sure like to have a non-politicalized and unbiased source I can trust to expand on this. Dr Gold had similar reference in a presentation she did. I would be interested in your thoughts on this too.
The normal/default state is no SARS-CoV-2 antibodies (IgG). Zero times any multiple still equals zero. If you have antibodies for it, you have had the infection.
A YouTube video is not research. I want to review the published study.
"anti-science, ignorant people who will not wear a mask, " Ii find the people who always accuse others of being anti science always follow the data the least. And yes i do wear a mask otherwise i cant get into the stores in NY. I was in Fla recently and masks were optional. And guess what they are doing fine.
Isn't Florida also rolling out the vaccine early and effectively?... Cough. Cough.
"Can you point me to the animal research you mentioned? I'd love an opportunity to review it" It was on a video i saw. It may or may not be true. Ill see if i can find it. Im just trying to get people to question what they are being fed by the govt and MSM. For some reason i get attacked and belittled when i do that. The people here know who they are .
That I agree with.
You asked what the animal study was. I mention that this Dr. references it. I have no idea as this is not my field. I was hoping you would recognize it or know where to find it. Just got to sort past the conspiracy part...
A YouTube video is not a peer-reviewed journal.
I saw a video where bigfoot had sex with Jennifer Aniston. Definitely true.
Again, negative externalities...
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I watched some of it. She seemed to be reference animal studies on "similar diseases" not anything specific about Covid 19.
Yeah you're real funny. I clearly stated it was mentioned in a video. I never said i saw the peer reviewed journal. Maybe get off the coin boards for awhile and look around? They have this think called the internet you know
The reverence was to the SARS COV-1. Covid-19 is SARS COV-2. My limited understanding is that they are both Respiratory Corona Virus. Similar in many ways but not the same.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243
Coronaviruses are quite common and include the common cold. There are animal studies (see link above)
https://www.nature.com/articles/nrd.2017.243
Here's the animal study that confirms the video was wrong. Maybe you should take your own advice. Took me about 5 minutes to find it.
I'm not the one posting unreferenced scientific/medical opinions on a public forum.
A little internet research also shows that Lee Merrit (@batman23 video) and Simone Gold (who also has a video) are both members of "America's Frontline Doctors". Google them.
Well said Dr Robert
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I also had a fantastic 2020 buying and selling mint errors, die trials and patterns!
The Las Vegas coin shows that PCGS generously host are wonderful!
Not sure when my local club will have another show. The last few years they have been in a large auditorium with high ceilings and good ventilation. I think I would like to see a higher % of folks vaccinated, though. Speaking of vaccines, they are safe and effective. I'm old enough to have had relatives who grew up in the pre vaccine era; my grandmother's 3 siblings were all deaf due to measles. As an intern, I took care of a child (unvaccinated) with pertussis ( it's called whooping cough for a reason); all we could do was put him in an oxygen tent and give him IV fluids because he coughed constantly and could not stop to eat or drink. Pretty awful. I've lost patients to Covid19, had others still fighting brain fog and fatigue after "recovery," 4 of my staff have had it. So get vaccinated as soon as you can.
Hope to see ya'll at a show , sometime.
...here is how his students probably feel on day one
Yeah I'm the problem. Have you noticed where this thread went with no help from me? Conspiracy theories and politics. As I always.
But, yeah, I'm the problem.
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...I didn’t say you were a problem...however, I do think of you every time I watch Back To School. I think your funny and part of the forum family just like most in here, that’s all
LOL. Well, since that is an under-rated movie, I will take it as a complement!
How about trusting all of the med doctors who have contributed to this thread and all around the US? They are the experts and have first hand knowledge are the best unbiased sources around. The politics on this is bc of a certain person(s) that we all know. Hey but believe what you want it is your life and coins shows that are being sacrificed when one won't believe the experts on this........
Further, it is a disease and it does not care about politics, it will happily invade you with all of the potential ramifications that have been documented. So again, I am not walking into a coin show, or any other public venue with alot of people, until I get the vaccine..........
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I think coin shows are offline for sometime - still to be determined and a complex issue. All factors are pertinent to proper analysis.
Even then attendance may be greatly reduced bc of Corona (vaccine not 100 pct guarantee plus will it mutate like HIV?) / Financial fallout concerns / factors making these bad selling shows for me so no go. I know from experience if poor show attendance / lack of people coming in bourse room with money a bad selling show. But if money in your pocket shows can be an exciting treasure hunt. One can’t make any money buying and selling at wholesale.....or bad rain of lookey looks / tire kickers. Wake up and smell the coffee - Coins are not a needed thing like food, housing, medical, auto. So some point in future I may attend shows to buy (not setup).
The long term economic fallout has reduced income for many who will never recover from the damage. Many forced into an unhappy early retirement / taking reduced rate crap jobs like many victims of the oil price crash. I am content with buy / sell online. Bay managed pmts has reduced my bay variable selling costs plus increased sales.
The all in the deal mode operation for me (buy right / sell strong) will not change. Moving forward I wonder what numismatic items have potential or will fall considering the situation. Quality low pop material should do well.
Backstory- JM did not believe this pandemic would be a big deal and he is drawn to anything that could even possibly lead to an arguement...you get used to it as he knows a lot about coins, so gotta take the good with the bad.
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I saw there is a show near grand rapids this weekend. Think it is called 4 mile coin show for those who leave near there
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