Eye Opener - Mantle on eBay
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Not sure what to make of this.
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I saw that one as well. Can’t be legit. If it is I am going to throw up for selling mine for a nice little profit a couple of years ago because I never really collected Bowman and it did not fit in my collection. 🙄
Just curious, why can't it be legit?
Do you have the same info for 1951 Mays? Seems like they were all bought off eBay and relisted at higher prices
wait, a 3 just went for that? im confused. $74K?
i wasnt trying to out anything on 51s just yet, but noticed an psa 8 is sitting close to $400K. and the 52 psa 8 isnt that far ahead of it. definitely not a wide of a gap that usually occurs between the 51 - 52. still mid auction though...
and im certainly not a gary vee fan (the influencer gary, that is. not the person himself. he's actually pretty cool) simply bc a lot of what he touts is common sense, but if anyone could hit people over the head that the 51s have always been historically undervalued, it would be him.
are we sure he hasnt tweeted about it or perhaps fixing to after buying a bunch up.
wouldnt surprise me one bit for this card to finally gain the notoriety it should.
it's been way past time, imo.
Notoriety well deserved, for sure. Going overnight from a 20k max card to 74k— and while a strong example not dead centered... that just seems like the rise to 74k skipped a few sales that should have happened in between.
I am a huge fan of the card and this sale would make my specimen an instant 100k card — but this one doesn’t remotely feel right or natural. I feel like the sales data record is too easily manipulated and some out there are trying to take advantage of that. Just my gut reaction to such an extreme anomaly outlier. And I say that as the crazy guy who has in the past paid some then-crazy records. Maybe it’s real and someone out there makes me look sane when it comes to cards LOL.
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Either way fun to discuss in the face of boredom
agreed. this is normally where i would throw one up to check the validity of the market.
but i love mine too much.
i have an 8 the market can have if it goes all cray-cray. but they aint getting my 3, 4 or 5.
My brother is doing just that now, Blurry. He is putting up some cards that have had anomalous jumps, at prices lower than the spiked highs, to see if they move and thereby gauge what is happening.
There is an SGC 7 52B Mantle now at 40k+. Yet an admittedly lesser looking PSA 7 sits at 18k or best offer. My bro has a 7.5 that looks like a high end 9 and is gonna list it at less than the SGC 7 sells for. Will be an interesting experiment.
here's the thing, prior to the last 6 months, i woulda bet the farm that there was no way.
but, i was proven wrong w/ the 72 erving 9 (twice), the 79 opc gretzky 9 (took a lil longer after heritage sale) and then a 73 panini jack 10.
all paid for, zero returns. the gretzky was a straggler and had to deal w/ a ton of flakes. the erving were hit instantly and the 73 jack was hit 3 days after being posted for just an absurd amount (by todays standard at least). luckily i had multiples of all. but i aint listing another jack or gretzky. not for a while.
i just dont know any more. it all seems unbelievable, but imo it's real.
which brings me back to my original post, i love my 3, 4 & 5 way too much to test this one.
in fact i pray that this is fake. i dont even want to be tempted.
fyi: there is a big fish, publically known figure out there attempting to track down top tier signed mantles. im sure you've been reached out to as well. if you havent already, i guarantee you will once they track you down. stay strong!
Pump, Pump and Away
It is “high end” for a 3 and it is in focus. Sale looks legit????
His true rookie.
Agree Matt that jump is way too much. The 51 is undervalued compared to the 52 Topps, but people did not just wake up and decide to pay $70k plus for the 51 when it can and was being bought for under $20k.
This is actually a very simple way to manipulate the market. For example say 2-3 collectors decide to buy a bunch of 51 Mantles the last 12 months, and then decide to sell one of mine on eBay to you and you buy it for a crazy amount - but money never changes hands. Or it does change but for $15k quietly. Now people are talking about the 51 Mantle all of the sudden and bringing them out to sell - not that they want to but because of recent prices. This little sale and pump and dump has everyone excited.
Now a real sale goes for $25-30k or twice the normal and after a few more the floor is now $25k. Guess who in this scenario now has a bunch of 51 Mantles to sell that we have been buying up quietly for a year and making 2x -3x our money. That would be the small group in this example and they will profit some or a huge amount since they raised the floor price wise. While people are chasing this one they move on to the next card say a Koufax rookie and do the same thing. Not illegal but not exactly ethical and since cards are not regulated it happens more than it should.
even easier to do on big cards like this when fees are capped. easy for someone to actually cough up $375 for the "sale" when they make tens of thousands on posting similar cards chasing the tale of the game changer...
eta: and the money never had to exchange hands. seller can just mark "paid", ebay collects its $375, paypal & its fees are cut out of the equation and then it shows up in all the research tools as paid for and legitimate.
I agree with everything stated above.
Centered, mid-grades will see a nice price adjustment but not this drastic and this quickly.
O/C, low grades are selling for $10k+
What do you think is happening with Jordan rookies right now along with Kobe and Lebron Topps chrome. A few guys move the market, everyone else is told via social media and these cards are on fire, people are bidding them up and the early money gets out while everyone else is buying in a frenzy not wanting to miss out.
I don’t doubt that the pair of Jordan 10’s did not get some help with promotions - every time there was a new bid a few guys on Blowout would act like the ESPN ticker symbol and let everyone know. Funny now that the lower grades like 8’s are starting to drop you don’t hear from them letting you know they have gone down from $35k to around $21-22k in 4-5 days. 🤔 Wonder if a few employees are involved as pumpers and cheerleaders under anonymous screen names to help out. At least we did not get any declarations this time like with the Trout rookie that “hey everyone - just wanted to let everyone know we actually got paid for this sale.” Never seen that before and IMO that is not a good look.
This is the tried and true of pump and dump. Hit a ridiculous BIN two weeks before the same grade card hits PWCC and voila, we have a new auction high. So ridiculous, and obvious, but it works.
again, i'm on the fence. not here to pump & dump anything. i thought there was no way when it came to the gretzky, erving and jacks. heck even ric flair 10. i can most certainly assure you i'm not in bed w goldin. mantle does seem more than bizarre though. i just don't know...what you are saying is more than true though, but if they are actually getting paid for too its a very weird position. would love to test this one out, i'm just not willing to let go of my centered 51s.
Is the A for abstract???? Focus kills me. I have seen worse, however Clear image without print line versions should be an incredible premium. This is not either one for 17K and will probably hit 20+
Put it on BIN $75K.
I'm guessing you'll get paid.
There's other fish in the sea once Mick's gone
I saw that out of focus 4 with PWCC’s “eye appeal” designation. It is a joke, frankly. If they think that card is high end they need their eyes checked and they forfeit credibility in the “having a good eye” department. I’ll put my eye up against PWCC’s all day.
No need to test it on the 51, I’ll put my 52 bowman 7.5 up later today and we will see how real it is. Assuming there is more than one bidder we should see my card, half grade higher and way nicer get hit with a quickness.
just be prepared for a wrath of flakes. make sure you invoke the insta-pay option. if someone asks you to go lower, don't send an offer. rather go back and change the listing down to that price where they still have to insta-pay.
Thanks for the advice! Going to run it through Matt’s eBay so we will def do that. Should be a fun experiment.
Its nice to see vintage moving with the tide.....I'm watching a PSA 9 1964 Pete Rose on ebay....my favorite Rose photo and issue of his whole career aside from '71 Topps....its a pop.1/35 highest graded......and if that card was numbered 1/35 on the back it would sell for 60k today....ALL time hit king..... Its a BIN for half that.
no. no it won't. get ready for the crazies and low balls. can't stress enough, keep that instapay on and do not send private offers. change the price, then tell them "have at it".
btw: i would not even allow obo's. set your price and be firm. eliminates the window shoppers, imo. if they are serious, they'll message you about your flexibility..
Yeah maybe “fun” wasn’t the right word.
well, it will be. for the first 10 mins. then you'll get that one guy...
i can relate it to a cruise. that first day & night are a blast. by day 3 get me off this thing.
Rose rookies on fire
Dean gettin in on the action
I’m ready for him lol. You should see some of what I’ve dealt with via IG the last month.
looks like a BIN to me! 😉
oops typo lol
Matt - lots of snow and ice here today so I have plenty of free time. Will try to send you bogus offers and flood your eBay account later today 🤣
KC
see. no best offers and insta-pay! problem solved. 😉
Has nothing to do with eye, has all to do with the card owner.
Speaking of big jumps, can this be real?
https://ebay.com/itm/1998-Topps-Chrome-Randy-Moss-ROOKIE-RC-35-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-/124569147157
🤣 blurry - plus I am going to shill my own BIN offer within 5 minutes of my first offer.
Just in case anyone thinks I am serious I am pulling Matt’s leg here. We routinely PM and trade ideas, and I have learned a ton about what to look for in cards regarding eye appeal, centering, lower grade bargains... If you ever want to see how to buy cards that look like an 8/9 with a PSA 4-5 label check out his stuff. You won’t collect the same way ever again.
KC
yes, i thought it was understood we were all giving each other hard times here.
if this is legitimate and probably is considering the source, then i would advise everybody to buckle their seat belts and tighten those chin straps...
woke up to this this am. listed this absurdly when the regular 72 rookie went bonkers. forgot it was even listed. these things were $80 3-4 years ago. it's getting real, i guess.
the user name fits. let the 14 day finger crossing start now.
This may be a record for a 9. Others at auction in the 3K range now
^. considering the prices and records, the footer ad is pretty ironic and funny here!
"save". 😂
Hahah yep, you save nothing!!!!
Sold last night
how'd i miss that?
the 8 at heritage is already at $400k. these are gonna heat up quick and prolly do the jordan thing.
'51 on a big time breakout!
Good times!
been awhile since i've even searched for a 51 on ebay. i'm kinda shocked at how few there are vs the price points.
Centered '51 Mantles are one of the bigger rarities in the overall card market. Mays beats him by a mile.
Got mine in '14 and I normally have to use a lesser score to mark to market. Similar comps are few and far between.
Prior to '14, it was a 5 year battle to locate and win an acceptable centered.
Hold on to your centered. That's gold!