@emar said:
'51 on a big time breakout!
Good times!
been awhile since i've even searched for a 51 on ebay. i'm kinda shocked at how few there are vs the price points.
Centered '51 Mantles are one of the bigger rarities in the overall card market. Mays beats him by a mile.
Got mine in '14 and I normally have to use a lesser score to mark to market. Similar comps are few and far between.
Prior to '14, it was a 5 year battle to locate and win an acceptable centered.
Hold on to your centered 5. That's gold!
they'd have to pry my 3, 4 or 5 outta my cold dead hands. i bought an 8 a few years back that i will prolly unload depending on what the heritage one does. not nearly as centered, but purchased more as the investment stowage vs a pc item. i have a certain figure in mind, but we may be on the precipice of the hobby finally giving the 51 it's due instead of being in the shadows of big bro '52. just don't want to kick myself by letting it go too early. first world problems, right? it's only thing to leave a ton of money on the table when looking back over the course of a few years. it's another to have that happen in under a month.
If so, what would this centering then command in such a climate? This is hands down the best centering I ever encountered on this card, including PSA 8s (and PS be careful to eyeball the total amount of border on those 8s). And that is in addition to focus and no print lines/roller marks or back wax.
Shopped for a few years before finding it and literally had to get lawyers involved to get it in hand; seller tried to renege on a fully closed deal— as there was a card doctor trying to pay triple after the sale and get it. I was not letting this rare centering slip away lol.
@emar said:
'51 on a big time breakout!
Good times!
been awhile since i've even searched for a 51 on ebay. i'm kinda shocked at how few there are vs the price points.
Same here. On a related note, it may have changed overnight but last night it seemed there was only one PSA 8 Ryan RC on eBay and only a couple Goudey Ruths above 1/1.5 grade being offered and that’s for all four Ruth cards. It’s like the Sahara for some key cards out there.
If so, what would this centering then command in such a climate? This is hands down the best centering I ever encountered on this card, including PSA 8s (and PS be careful to eyeball the total amount of border on those 8s). And that is in addition to focus and no print lines/roller marks or back wax.
Shopped for a few years before finding it and literally had to get lawyers involved to get it in hand; seller tried to renege on a fully closed deal— as there was a card doctor trying to pay triple after the sale and get it. I was not letting this rare centering slip away lol.
Gorgeous and congrats! great eye appeal!
'51s have been way, way undervalued too long.
Low grade selling for $10k
@dan89 said: @DM23HOF is that the 4 you got for 10K??? Am I misremembering??? She’s a beaut man.
Yessir and thanks. Can’t recall if it was 10k or 12k, just remember smashing the BIN a nanosecond after taking it in visually. And the unnecessary drama that followed lol. Here is a fuller picture:
If so, what would this centering then command in such a climate? This is hands down the best centering I ever encountered on this card, including PSA 8s (and PS be careful to eyeball the total amount of border on those 8s). And that is in addition to focus and no print lines/roller marks or back wax.
Shopped for a few years before finding it and literally had to get lawyers involved to get it in hand; seller tried to renege on a fully closed deal— as there was a card doctor trying to pay triple after the sale and get it. I was not letting this rare centering slip away lol.
in this climate, i'd say cut your losses and dump it for $8k.
@dan89 said:
Not centered but the focus is there, nice color, clean back. 25K +now??
Dan if the unfocused “high end” sale from last night at PWCC— the one where “A” meant the pint of Absolut one would need to drink for it to look focused— was real at $22,000, the one you posted would have to command 25k+ as you said.
I don’t know if any particular sale is real or not, but there have long been reasons to think the 51 would close the gap with the 52 eventually, and the only way to close the gap is with a sudden increase given how the 52 appreciates. And a paradigm shift in the hobby where the 51 gets is due is always going to look crazy to anyone who has been around a while and is used to the old pricing. This also makes it a tempting target for shenanigans though. Who knows? But I won’t be shocked if it mostly sticks, whatever the genesis of the run up.
And to think, Matty had to talk me into 4750 for this about 7 years ago lol. Not the centering of his but def a looker in my opinion.
If all the cards to go through the 2020-21 spin cycle I am not mad about it being the 51 Mick. It is certainly more deserving than the jordan and that comes from a massive jordan guy.
Sports cards are the lead article on CNN business today? Where does this all go:...
I have to agree, Greg. Mantle is basically the standard bearer of baseball cards, and so if anything is gonna go apeshit I guess it is fitting it be the rookie card of the standard bearer. It’s also a pretty card and suffers from a slew of eye appeal problems.
@DM23HOF said:
I have to agree, Greg. Mantle is basically the standard bearer of baseball cards, and so if anything is gonna go apeshit I guess it is fitting it be the rookie card of the standard bearer. It’s also a pretty card and suffers from a slew of eye appeal problems.
Exactly. It’s as if not more condition sensitive than the 52 Topps. Centered copied in any grade with great focus and no roller marks aren’t exactly growing on trees and it’s his actual rookie, no xrc designation or anything.
If anything deserves big growth in this insane market it’s this card.
since we are discussing 51 mantles and centering, here's a quick story...
when i first started the mantle run, i scooped up this one. when it comes to signed ones, beggars can't be choosers. and this was it at the time. i was thrilled. was in blue flip but had it converted and graded to a 3:
was content w 51 secured, still hunting that damn 52b at the time, matty, but one day this popped up:
i mean, it was in an sgc holder, just an A, already had a higher grade in a psa holder. so i didn't make an offer. but it bugged me. sat there another day and after a few beers just said screw it. so pulled the trigger. started the process of doing the conversion, crossed it over but psa only assigned it an A grade. was worried it was altered. but oh well. again they don't surface too often. so went to the national and subbed it for a review. the A still bothered me. all awhile, still holding the 3 w only 1 higher. go back sunday to get my card, psa 1! phew. not altered. sat w both for a lil while. then one day after a few more beers i finally made my decision. sold off the 3 and lived happily ever after!
and to bring it back full circle, it takes a good while to learn as a collector to buy the card not the holder. if this is a bubble and these wall street guys are dropping serious bitcoin on flips, it's gonna take them even longer to get bailed out if and when they realize that not all jordan 10s are created the same. or that they woulda been better off buying two dead centered 9s vs a crap 10. that's stuff that money and just jumping into the game from solely an investment angle could come back to bite them. i already took my own pepsi challenge above!
Love that story and totally agree. The pivot, journey, or perhaps best said palate maturation that so many of us undergo toward the “card over holder” approach is indeed a process. It is so easy for new hobby entrants to get stuck in a headspace where they abdicate their power, shut off or disbelieve their own two eyes, and exalt the sticker.
You touch on another great point that many of us have encountered over the years, and I think it is germane to this discussion here: I’m talking about the spectre or bogeyman of “The Hedgefund Guys.”
I have always wondered if The Hedgefund Guys are just a go-to strawman (not my beloved Darryl) for the hypemen and pumpers or just those who so understandably like Fox Mulder “want to believe” in soaring prices being natural.
I went to a college where finance careers were the rage. And I’m saying what I’m about to say only in the context of our group card discussion here, and as purely anecdotal evidence. Several close friends of mine from those college years all became massive successes in that world. I’ve asked them about cards and the whispers in hobby corridors of “The Hedge Fund Guys are coming!” And they laugh— they tell me that cards are just not not not not not remotely moving the needle for these guys from a business standpoint.
Now if one of their group collects, he collects. And like a collector he will throw down a healthy to very aggressive premium for what he wants based on his budget— but the notion that there are Wall Street types coming in droves who are smart enough to be rich yet dumb enough to pay 74k or 200k for a card that never traded above 20k or 60k, and to do that on so many cards, it just doesn’t add up or seem to explain what is happening in a satisfying way. I see Goldin and others espousing this theory in the press; I see it parroted by newbies on Instagram; it seems the definition of specious, and I’m just doubtful it is really the dynamic at play, based on real substantive conversations with real guys in that world.
I’d add that these types of guys are usually very early to any type of moneymaking party; so the notion that they are getting in at current prices for pure financial investment, thinking cards will 10X or 20X from here, that also doesn’t ring true. As one told me, and I paraphrase: “If the sh*t is on the front page of CNN, that means the party has been well underway for a while, and I already left for the next one.”
On a related note— Greg’s beautiful SGC 7.5 sits unbought on eBay at 39,999 OBO, while bids continue to hit the lesser SGC 7 over $40,000 at PWCC.
Lots of great Mantles there! I just can't quit looking at the centering on that 69 WL. Wish I had had the foresight to pick up that card with decent centering long ago.
David
Always looking for Mantle cards such as Stahl Meyer, 1954 Dan Dee, 1959 Bazooka, 1960 Post, 1952 Star Cal Decal, 1952 Tip Top Bread Labels, 1953-54 Briggs Meat, and other Topps, Bowman, and oddball Mantles.
Agree. That 69 WL is so tough to find centered - same with the 57 and centering and to a lesser extent the 56 Mantle. Curious to see where some of them end tonight in auction especially the 53 Mantle. That one in a PSA 5.5 is decent and sitting at a record $11.1k right now with about 10+ hours to go. If it does for something stupid like $18-20k I might do the unthinkable with mine. Have a couple others I might think about moving that I have duplicates of right now.
This one is arguably under graded and had an AH tell me along with several prominent collectors to resubmit it - can’t imagine a nicer 58 out there even in an 8/8.5. Not a huge fan of 58 like I am 56 and 57, but the card was too nice to pass up.
It was going to take something very, very special for me to part with my centered PSA 6 White Letter 1969 Mick... And it is now at Memory Lane for auction... My first time doing business with them...
But in order to get something special we often have to give away something special (also had to move a red Goudey Ruth to land this card below!).
The one I landed is one of the three known signed 1959 Bazooka Mantles — with a PSA 10 auto. Don’t have a photo in slab yet.
Figured I already have 69 Mick well represented, as I found an insanely centered 69 YL a ways back that grabbed my eye more than the WL. So could not pass up a chance to grab a key 50s Mantle true signed rarity!
You can go ahead and remove ‘arguably’ from the description of your ‘58 Topps. The ‘58’s have a certain charm, though, and when the image is clear and there’s no snow there they really seem to glow.
Here’s his future 1961 counterpart from the same set, with similar features:
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@blurryface said:
🎼 oh mickey you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind! 🎼
I prefer the Baseball Project song:
And everyone says "Hey, Mick"
Mantle this, Mantle that, it makes me sick
It's just so hard to see
Why do they like him better than me?
I'm Ted [F’n] Williams
Such a monster and impossible to find. Your timing in listing your 69 Mantle with the market exploding is going to make that one the highest sold for the grade by a wide margin. Good luck with the sale.
Such a monster ams impossible to find. Your timing in listing your 69 Mantle with the market exploding is going to make that one the highest sold for the grade by a wide margin. Good luck with the sale.
Thx, brother. I do hope that 69 goes even higher than what I paid, so when combined with what I get for the Goudey Ruth it can fully pay off the Bazooka auto cost!
I liked having WL and YL and wish I could afford to keep all three— but considering how the 6.5 YL looks I would rather have the YL and the Bazooka rarity than the YL and the WL rarity. Choices choices!
2deuces— I try to live by your signature quote! Thanks for the kind words regarding the 1969 Mick 6.5. I will put that bad boy up against a tilted oc 8 any day of the week
As to that OC 99/1 Mantle rookie— I guess I should be jumping for joy, because if that is “transacting” at 25k, lord knows what mine is worth. But I ain’t smiling at pretend money for a card I have zero intention of ever selling— and I also know that no way is my PSA 4 dead centered Mantle RC really worth even say 30k. No real person is paying what these “comps” say the cards are worth. I guess perhaps someone new who hasn’t studied might be uninformed or gullible enough to fork over money in line with the comps.
In other news, that experiment continues to bear fruit with the 52 Bowman. My brother’s superior 7.5 sits at 39 obo while the lesser 7 “sold” for 43ish.
Just like a PWCC Mattingly Donruss 84 in PSA 10 has multiple bids over the 5k threshold, yet another is not bid on at 5k. And two fisherman seeking marks list theirs at 10k and 18k on eBay.
Another example: Jordan OLY Star BGS 7 at PWCC is 22k... yet SEVERAL 7s and 8s go unsold at around 6k. Even some AT PWCC. LOLOLOL. Why aren’t those BINs getting smashed at 6k? Guess that 22k 7 must have a magical aura about it.
Buyers beware. We cannot trust sales data these days.
What we can do is look at the asks on eBay as a result of all this madness, and bust a gut laughing. It’s become a caricature of a caricature of a....
Matty C ,
You come a long way since the days of collecting questionable 75 mini minis.
And I mean that respectfully. Good luck with any sales of your beautiful cards.
@DM23HOF I agree your card has the eye appeal of a grade and a half higher. I own many low grade, great eye appeal cards.
As for my signature. I lived it from 15-50. Now at 64 I can honestly say I didn’t miss a thing and have zero regrets for doing everything imaginable. From dating models, bunnies, dancers. From staying out until 5 am and waking at 7 am and doing it all over again that night. I look back and say “damn”, how am I still here? Lol
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
@2dueces said: @DM23HOF I agree your card has the eye appeal of a grade and a half higher. I own many low grade, great eye appeal cards.
As for my signature. I lived it from 15-50. Now at 64 I can honestly say I didn’t miss a thing and have zero regrets for doing everything imaginable. From dating models, bunnies, dancers. From staying out until 5 am and waking at 7 am and doing it all over again that night. I look back and say “damn”, how am I still here? Lol
@2dueces said: @DM23HOF I agree your card has the eye appeal of a grade and a half higher. I own many low grade, great eye appeal cards.
As for my signature. I lived it from 15-50. Now at 64 I can honestly say I didn’t miss a thing and have zero regrets for doing everything imaginable. From dating models, bunnies, dancers. From staying out until 5 am and waking at 7 am and doing it all over again that night. I look back and say “damn”, how am I still here? Lol
Well said. I’m still just 44 so have a couple more good years of living that Fields quote LOL! Now if life can just get back to some semblance of the old “normal!”
I agree the old normal would be great about now. Cards have been the one thing I enjoy that I can still participate in, and the last 3-4 months collecting has really been interesting. All of us enjoy it when what we own appreciates, but this acceleration does not seem healthy nor natural. New money, declining dollar as an asset, hedge funds getting in, people have extra cash due to fewer vacations/trips/travel... whatever the reason a good chunk of people are getting priced out of collecting. Same thing happened with NASCAR when corporate money pushed out the hardcore fan when it was hot, and when that money left they looked up and a chunk of the die hard fan base had also left with them. Hopefully that does not happen with our hobby.
I think these juiced up prices and rampant manipulation will sadly push some great collectors away. I know many that are fed up.
Regarding that 1984 Star OLY Jordan at PWCC, bidding now at a more readily year still unbelievable 7.6k. Seems Brent is playing wack a mole with the fake bids. Can only imagine how many are getting through. Luckily some are aggressively stupid. Or would they be stupidly aggressive? Or both.
@2dueces said: @DM23HOF I agree your card has the eye appeal of a grade and a half higher. I own many low grade, great eye appeal cards.
As for my signature. I lived it from 15-50. Now at 64 I can honestly say I didn’t miss a thing and have zero regrets for doing everything imaginable. From dating models, bunnies, dancers. From staying out until 5 am and waking at 7 am and doing it all over again that night. I look back and say “damn”, how am I still here? Lol
Well said. I’m still just 44 so have a couple more good years of living that Fields quote LOL! Now if life can just get back to some semblance of the old “normal!”
I feel for the 20 somethings that lost a year of partying, and I guess the 40 crowd also. That’s a year and maybe longer they’ll never get back.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
@2dueces said: @DM23HOF I agree your card has the eye appeal of a grade and a half higher. I own many low grade, great eye appeal cards.
As for my signature. I lived it from 15-50. Now at 64 I can honestly say I didn’t miss a thing and have zero regrets for doing everything imaginable. From dating models, bunnies, dancers. From staying out until 5 am and waking at 7 am and doing it all over again that night. I look back and say “damn”, how am I still here? Lol
what time you picking me up tonight, 2d?
Ahh the stories I can tell. From dating Penny Baker to traveling with “The Tubes” and dating Katie Bevin. From breakfast with the Ramones to all night party in Todd Rungrens hotel suite . Flights to Moncton with Hewey Lewis to back stage with Alvin Lee. And that’s just the tip of the ice berg above the water line.
W.C.Fields "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
@2dueces said: @DM23HOF I agree your card has the eye appeal of a grade and a half higher. I own many low grade, great eye appeal cards.
As for my signature. I lived it from 15-50. Now at 64 I can honestly say I didn’t miss a thing and have zero regrets for doing everything imaginable. From dating models, bunnies, dancers. From staying out until 5 am and waking at 7 am and doing it all over again that night. I look back and say “damn”, how am I still here? Lol
what time you picking me up tonight, 2d?
Ahh the stories I can tell. From dating Penny Baker to traveling with “The Tubes” and dating Katie Bevin. From breakfast with the Ramones to all night party in Todd Rungrens hotel suite . Flights to Moncton with Hewey Lewis to back stage with Alvin Lee. And that’s just the tip of the ice berg above the water line.
I took my wife to Red Lobster in NYC once and at the next table was Flavor Flav.
So...yeah.
I think you got me beat. 😂
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@KendallCat said:
I agree the old normal would be great about now. Cards have been the one thing I enjoy that I can still participate in, and the last 3-4 months collecting has really been interesting. All of us enjoy it when what we own appreciates, but this acceleration does not seem healthy nor natural. New money, declining dollar as an asset, hedge funds getting in, people have extra cash due to fewer vacations/trips/travel... whatever the reason a good chunk of people are getting priced out of collecting. Same thing happened with NASCAR when corporate money pushed out the hardcore fan when it was hot, and when that money left they looked up and a chunk of the die hard fan base had also left with them. Hopefully that does not happen with our hobby.
KC I sincerely hope it does happen. If that is what it takes to restore sanity and root out the mess of pumpers and gullible Slab Queen marks.
But we’ll still be left with a fundamentally broken system that says this picture below makes logical sense, LOL... scanner differences notwithstanding...
I guess the reigning Orwellian ethos is: “Don’t believe your eyes, obey the sticker.”
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they'd have to pry my 3, 4 or 5 outta my cold dead hands. i bought an 8 a few years back that i will prolly unload depending on what the heritage one does. not nearly as centered, but purchased more as the investment stowage vs a pc item. i have a certain figure in mind, but we may be on the precipice of the hobby finally giving the 51 it's due instead of being in the shadows of big bro '52. just don't want to kick myself by letting it go too early. first world problems, right? it's only thing to leave a ton of money on the table when looking back over the course of a few years. it's another to have that happen in under a month.
Not centered but the focus is there, nice color, clean back. 25K +now??
The trifecta is near impossible.
Centered, no print line, focus/color
I mean can this be real, fellas?
If so, what would this centering then command in such a climate? This is hands down the best centering I ever encountered on this card, including PSA 8s (and PS be careful to eyeball the total amount of border on those 8s). And that is in addition to focus and no print lines/roller marks or back wax.
Shopped for a few years before finding it and literally had to get lawyers involved to get it in hand; seller tried to renege on a fully closed deal— as there was a card doctor trying to pay triple after the sale and get it. I was not letting this rare centering slip away lol.
Same here. On a related note, it may have changed overnight but last night it seemed there was only one PSA 8 Ryan RC on eBay and only a couple Goudey Ruths above 1/1.5 grade being offered and that’s for all four Ruth cards. It’s like the Sahara for some key cards out there.
@DM23HOF is that the 4 you got for 10K??? Am I misremembering??? She’s a beaut man.
Gorgeous and congrats! great eye appeal!
'51s have been way, way undervalued too long.
Low grade selling for $10k
Yessir and thanks. Can’t recall if it was 10k or 12k, just remember smashing the BIN a nanosecond after taking it in visually. And the unnecessary drama that followed lol. Here is a fuller picture:
in this climate, i'd say cut your losses and dump it for $8k.
let me know the sec it gets listed too please. 😉
Dan if the unfocused “high end” sale from last night at PWCC— the one where “A” meant the pint of Absolut one would need to drink for it to look focused— was real at $22,000, the one you posted would have to command 25k+ as you said.
I don’t know if any particular sale is real or not, but there have long been reasons to think the 51 would close the gap with the 52 eventually, and the only way to close the gap is with a sudden increase given how the 52 appreciates. And a paradigm shift in the hobby where the 51 gets is due is always going to look crazy to anyone who has been around a while and is used to the old pricing. This also makes it a tempting target for shenanigans though. Who knows? But I won’t be shocked if it mostly sticks, whatever the genesis of the run up.
Can the 39 Ted Williams be next pretty please?
And to think, Matty had to talk me into 4750 for this about 7 years ago lol. Not the centering of his but def a looker in my opinion.
If all the cards to go through the 2020-21 spin cycle I am not mad about it being the 51 Mick. It is certainly more deserving than the jordan and that comes from a massive jordan guy.
Sports cards are the lead article on CNN business today? Where does this all go:...
I have to agree, Greg. Mantle is basically the standard bearer of baseball cards, and so if anything is gonna go apeshit I guess it is fitting it be the rookie card of the standard bearer. It’s also a pretty card and suffers from a slew of eye appeal problems.
Exactly. It’s as if not more condition sensitive than the 52 Topps. Centered copied in any grade with great focus and no roller marks aren’t exactly growing on trees and it’s his actual rookie, no xrc designation or anything.
If anything deserves big growth in this insane market it’s this card.
fairly certain it's the highest I've seen a 9 go for.
since we are discussing 51 mantles and centering, here's a quick story...
when i first started the mantle run, i scooped up this one. when it comes to signed ones, beggars can't be choosers. and this was it at the time. i was thrilled. was in blue flip but had it converted and graded to a 3:
was content w 51 secured, still hunting that damn 52b at the time, matty, but one day this popped up:
i mean, it was in an sgc holder, just an A, already had a higher grade in a psa holder. so i didn't make an offer. but it bugged me. sat there another day and after a few beers just said screw it. so pulled the trigger. started the process of doing the conversion, crossed it over but psa only assigned it an A grade. was worried it was altered. but oh well. again they don't surface too often. so went to the national and subbed it for a review. the A still bothered me. all awhile, still holding the 3 w only 1 higher. go back sunday to get my card, psa 1! phew. not altered. sat w both for a lil while. then one day after a few more beers i finally made my decision. sold off the 3 and lived happily ever after!
and to bring it back full circle, it takes a good while to learn as a collector to buy the card not the holder. if this is a bubble and these wall street guys are dropping serious bitcoin on flips, it's gonna take them even longer to get bailed out if and when they realize that not all jordan 10s are created the same. or that they woulda been better off buying two dead centered 9s vs a crap 10. that's stuff that money and just jumping into the game from solely an investment angle could come back to bite them. i already took my own pepsi challenge above!
Love that story and totally agree. The pivot, journey, or perhaps best said palate maturation that so many of us undergo toward the “card over holder” approach is indeed a process. It is so easy for new hobby entrants to get stuck in a headspace where they abdicate their power, shut off or disbelieve their own two eyes, and exalt the sticker.
You touch on another great point that many of us have encountered over the years, and I think it is germane to this discussion here: I’m talking about the spectre or bogeyman of “The Hedgefund Guys.”
I have always wondered if The Hedgefund Guys are just a go-to strawman (not my beloved Darryl) for the hypemen and pumpers or just those who so understandably like Fox Mulder “want to believe” in soaring prices being natural.
I went to a college where finance careers were the rage. And I’m saying what I’m about to say only in the context of our group card discussion here, and as purely anecdotal evidence. Several close friends of mine from those college years all became massive successes in that world. I’ve asked them about cards and the whispers in hobby corridors of “The Hedge Fund Guys are coming!” And they laugh— they tell me that cards are just not not not not not remotely moving the needle for these guys from a business standpoint.
Now if one of their group collects, he collects. And like a collector he will throw down a healthy to very aggressive premium for what he wants based on his budget— but the notion that there are Wall Street types coming in droves who are smart enough to be rich yet dumb enough to pay 74k or 200k for a card that never traded above 20k or 60k, and to do that on so many cards, it just doesn’t add up or seem to explain what is happening in a satisfying way. I see Goldin and others espousing this theory in the press; I see it parroted by newbies on Instagram; it seems the definition of specious, and I’m just doubtful it is really the dynamic at play, based on real substantive conversations with real guys in that world.
I’d add that these types of guys are usually very early to any type of moneymaking party; so the notion that they are getting in at current prices for pure financial investment, thinking cards will 10X or 20X from here, that also doesn’t ring true. As one told me, and I paraphrase: “If the sh*t is on the front page of CNN, that means the party has been well underway for a while, and I already left for the next one.”
On a related note— Greg’s beautiful SGC 7.5 sits unbought on eBay at 39,999 OBO, while bids continue to hit the lesser SGC 7 over $40,000 at PWCC.
Someone say Mickey?
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I definitely thought someone said Mickey...
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Tim,
Lots of great Mantles there! I just can't quit looking at the centering on that 69 WL. Wish I had had the foresight to pick up that card with decent centering long ago.
David
Always looking for Mantle cards such as Stahl Meyer, 1954 Dan Dee, 1959 Bazooka, 1960 Post, 1952 Star Cal Decal, 1952 Tip Top Bread Labels, 1953-54 Briggs Meat, and other Topps, Bowman, and oddball Mantles.
🎼 oh mickey you're so fine, you're so fine you blow my mind! 🎼
Agree. That 69 WL is so tough to find centered - same with the 57 and centering and to a lesser extent the 56 Mantle. Curious to see where some of them end tonight in auction especially the 53 Mantle. That one in a PSA 5.5 is decent and sitting at a record $11.1k right now with about 10+ hours to go. If it does for something stupid like $18-20k I might do the unthinkable with mine. Have a couple others I might think about moving that I have duplicates of right now.
This one is arguably under graded and had an AH tell me along with several prominent collectors to resubmit it - can’t imagine a nicer 58 out there even in an 8/8.5. Not a huge fan of 58 like I am 56 and 57, but the card was too nice to pass up.
I find it amazing (and justified!) Mickey has such a legendary status up to this day.
I drove to Jersey, yes, JERSEY for my Mantle
For anyone who hasn't seen Mickey's memorable interview
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I have said this before and I’ll say it again:
Mickey Mantle is the reason the hobby survives and thrives today.
Crazy to think he could still be with us. A little better living and he’d be 89 right now and 90 this October...
...tragic.
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It was going to take something very, very special for me to part with my centered PSA 6 White Letter 1969 Mick... And it is now at Memory Lane for auction... My first time doing business with them...
But in order to get something special we often have to give away something special (also had to move a red Goudey Ruth to land this card below!).
The one I landed is one of the three known signed 1959 Bazooka Mantles — with a PSA 10 auto. Don’t have a photo in slab yet.
Figured I already have 69 Mick well represented, as I found an insanely centered 69 YL a ways back that grabbed my eye more than the WL. So could not pass up a chance to grab a key 50s Mantle true signed rarity!
@KendallCat
You can go ahead and remove ‘arguably’ from the description of your ‘58 Topps. The ‘58’s have a certain charm, though, and when the image is clear and there’s no snow there they really seem to glow.
Here’s his future 1961 counterpart from the same set, with similar features:
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Also in my iTunes 🤔
😂
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I prefer the Baseball Project song:
And everyone says "Hey, Mick"
Mantle this, Mantle that, it makes me sick
It's just so hard to see
Why do they like him better than me?
I'm Ted [F’n] Williams
Recent sales, real sales average $11K. Take PWCC sales with a grain of salt. Please
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Such a monster and impossible to find. Your timing in listing your 69 Mantle with the market exploding is going to make that one the highest sold for the grade by a wide margin. Good luck with the sale.
i know, was going thru it again last night when you were snoozing! 😉
I’m a complicated man.
No one understands me but my woman...
SHAFT!
You damn right...
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Thx, brother. I do hope that 69 goes even higher than what I paid, so when combined with what I get for the Goudey Ruth it can fully pay off the Bazooka auto cost!
I liked having WL and YL and wish I could afford to keep all three— but considering how the 6.5 YL looks I would rather have the YL and the Bazooka rarity than the YL and the WL rarity. Choices choices!
That is one sweet card for a 6.5. This Mantle should be showed every time someone says “buy the card, not the holder.”
Good luck with your sale.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Nicely focused, however is basically MC and has the gun shot in the back variation. 26k+ tax
The 7 hammered at $115k
2deuces— I try to live by your signature quote! Thanks for the kind words regarding the 1969 Mick 6.5. I will put that bad boy up against a tilted oc 8 any day of the week
As to that OC 99/1 Mantle rookie— I guess I should be jumping for joy, because if that is “transacting” at 25k, lord knows what mine is worth. But I ain’t smiling at pretend money for a card I have zero intention of ever selling— and I also know that no way is my PSA 4 dead centered Mantle RC really worth even say 30k. No real person is paying what these “comps” say the cards are worth. I guess perhaps someone new who hasn’t studied might be uninformed or gullible enough to fork over money in line with the comps.
In other news, that experiment continues to bear fruit with the 52 Bowman. My brother’s superior 7.5 sits at 39 obo while the lesser 7 “sold” for 43ish.
Just like a PWCC Mattingly Donruss 84 in PSA 10 has multiple bids over the 5k threshold, yet another is not bid on at 5k. And two fisherman seeking marks list theirs at 10k and 18k on eBay.
Another example: Jordan OLY Star BGS 7 at PWCC is 22k... yet SEVERAL 7s and 8s go unsold at around 6k. Even some AT PWCC. LOLOLOL. Why aren’t those BINs getting smashed at 6k? Guess that 22k 7 must have a magical aura about it.
Buyers beware. We cannot trust sales data these days.
What we can do is look at the asks on eBay as a result of all this madness, and bust a gut laughing. It’s become a caricature of a caricature of a....
Think Dr. Evil asking for a BILLION dollars.
Think Fonzi jumping the shark.
Some record sales this evening for 53 and 56 Topps. Both were almost double the previous record price for the grade.
KC, we'll see what's real soon enough especially when it comes to Mantle. I am listing my whole collection. I've had it.
Matty C ,
You come a long way since the days of collecting questionable 75 mini minis.
And I mean that respectfully. Good luck with any sales of your beautiful cards.
@DM23HOF I agree your card has the eye appeal of a grade and a half higher. I own many low grade, great eye appeal cards.
As for my signature. I lived it from 15-50. Now at 64 I can honestly say I didn’t miss a thing and have zero regrets for doing everything imaginable. From dating models, bunnies, dancers. From staying out until 5 am and waking at 7 am and doing it all over again that night. I look back and say “damn”, how am I still here? Lol
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
what time you picking me up tonight, 2d?
Well said. I’m still just 44 so have a couple more good years of living that Fields quote LOL! Now if life can just get back to some semblance of the old “normal!”
I agree the old normal would be great about now. Cards have been the one thing I enjoy that I can still participate in, and the last 3-4 months collecting has really been interesting. All of us enjoy it when what we own appreciates, but this acceleration does not seem healthy nor natural. New money, declining dollar as an asset, hedge funds getting in, people have extra cash due to fewer vacations/trips/travel... whatever the reason a good chunk of people are getting priced out of collecting. Same thing happened with NASCAR when corporate money pushed out the hardcore fan when it was hot, and when that money left they looked up and a chunk of the die hard fan base had also left with them. Hopefully that does not happen with our hobby.
I think these juiced up prices and rampant manipulation will sadly push some great collectors away. I know many that are fed up.
Regarding that 1984 Star OLY Jordan at PWCC, bidding now at a more readily year still unbelievable 7.6k. Seems Brent is playing wack a mole with the fake bids. Can only imagine how many are getting through. Luckily some are aggressively stupid. Or would they be stupidly aggressive? Or both.
I feel for the 20 somethings that lost a year of partying, and I guess the 40 crowd also. That’s a year and maybe longer they’ll never get back.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
Ahh the stories I can tell. From dating Penny Baker to traveling with “The Tubes” and dating Katie Bevin. From breakfast with the Ramones to all night party in Todd Rungrens hotel suite . Flights to Moncton with Hewey Lewis to back stage with Alvin Lee. And that’s just the tip of the ice berg above the water line.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
I took my wife to Red Lobster in NYC once and at the next table was Flavor Flav.
So...yeah.
I think you got me beat. 😂
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KC I sincerely hope it does happen. If that is what it takes to restore sanity and root out the mess of pumpers and gullible Slab Queen marks.
But we’ll still be left with a fundamentally broken system that says this picture below makes logical sense, LOL... scanner differences notwithstanding...
I guess the reigning Orwellian ethos is: “Don’t believe your eyes, obey the sticker.”