If anyone sees this coin please let me know. It was shipped to the wrong buyer
amwldcoin
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Unfortunately there are people in our circles who are not honest. This 1904-S Barber Half VF30 cert # 19402444 was shipped along with a 1908-S Barber Half AU55 to the wrong person. All possible recipients have been contacted. 
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Dang! I will absolutely be looking for these coins for you. The 1904-S you shared looks fabulous.
In honor of the memory of Cpl. Michael E. Thompson
It is! I've owned it before.
What did they "pay" for those 2 coins?
I was the buyer!
Here is the 08-S
So you bought them, and the seller shipped them to the wrong person? What did you get instead?
A refund LOL!.
Was there not a tracking Number?
They were shipped to the wrong buyer. I received other purchases in my shipment. This was a large purchase with many coins. He accidently left the last 2, which were these out of my shipment.
This has to be a frustrating situation. I hope they turn up.
Good luck Darrell. I hope they show up.
Jim
Will do
So it would appear one of the people he shipped coins to the same day as yours is not a truthful person. They think it is ok to take from others. Amazing someone gets two coins that they didn't order (or pay for) and they don't contact the dealer. If I were the original dealer I would think about the client list from that day and look at those people differently.
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Bad situation. I would hope the individual that received them in error, has perhaps not looked at his package yet.... Anyway, I hope the coins are recovered. Cheers, RickO
Those were my exact thoughts. Hopefully the recipient has been too busy to open the package or look through it thoroughly. Good luck.
Will’sProoflikes
I don't know anyone involved in this situation, but it is at least possible that the seller is not being truthful because he couldn't locate the coins or had remorse about selling them. Saying they were shipped elsewhere would be a way to CYA.
If the seller is known to be honest to a fault, then disregard the above.
Disregard this comment!
@amwldcoin
I am sorry that this happened to you, and hope that the coins 'surface'. I am also sorry for the seller, as they 'lost' financially, at least at this point.
That said, it appears that there was a mistake in the 'boxing' process. If the recipient fails to 'come forward', this mistake will cost the seller a couple thousand dollars.
Question for all - What do you think the seller should do to prevent a future reoccurrence, if anything? For example, some PM firms use cameras to document the 'boxing' process. That way, there is a digital record of which items went into each box.
MetroD I understand what you're saying, BUT, documenting this way would have to entail the packaging AND the trip to the shipper be it USP, UPS etc. Otherwise an unsaviory seller could make changes after the initial packaging off camera. Depending on the product being shipped, one or two instances of this, the seller could be in for a tidy profit.
Not sure off the top of my head what could be done to fullproof the process.
I will just say sh*t happens. We've had quite a bit of discussion about this. This is the 1st time in 35 years he has done this and I believe him. From what I gather he was trying to do 3 peoples amount of work by himself.
@Tom147,
Great points. Thanks for taking the time to share your insights.
It's unfortunate that some people just don't care and take advantage of other people's mistakes. They steal from you as soon as you turn your back. "Your mistake, my gain" is their policy..
I just feel terrible for the O.P. I know how I feel when I'm waiting on a pkg. to arrive. Then to open it and find coins missing !!! I would be devastated. And the type of coins I buy don't even come close to the beauty and value the O.P. has lost.
Not for nothing, but you don't have standing on this item. It belongs to the seller.
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I think there's a bigger issue with this. If I send something unsolicited to someone, are they under any LEGAL (not ethical) obligation to return it?
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https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0181-unordered-merchandise
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amwldcoin, not knowing you or the seller I believe what you're saying. As we all know, on line coin sales have been through the roof with no shows or B & M visits due to the Pandemic. People get busy ( doing the work of 3 people ) and unfortunately mistakes can happen. I truly feel terrible for both you AND the seller. Can the seller determine 100% who got the two coins ? If so, and this isn't made right, I'm sure a lot of forum members would like to know ( by P.M. of course) who that person is. I will be following this thread closely hoping for a good outcome.
Technically, they are legally entitled to keep the coins. Ethically, they should return them. But they aren't under any legal obligation.
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Notice I did not say they legally must return them.
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This person now has two coins with Zero Cost Basis. When they sell the coins the full sales price is taxed as a gain. The question is at that time will they become an honest person and report gain?
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Well, we know the answer to that. EVERYONE is a tax avoider, aren't they?
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Not me...
Hopefully the seller had a limited number of packages he packaged on that given day. Maybe a contact with those will bear fruit. Maybe he'll even find it still in his inventory and he mistakenly never packed it. Tough situation but at least you are confident in that seller's honesty.
Let's hope someone does the right thing if it was inadvertently mailed to the wrong person
Mark
Unfortunately there was somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 packages sent around my shipment. He emailed everyone who received a package and even offered $1000.00 for the return of the coins.
We still have hopes. He tried to refund me 2 weeks earlier but told him to wait. Unfortunately enough time has passed that a return seem unlikely. Nothing has left his office and I contacted him quick enough that no trash or anything had left his office. He's going to go through everything again this week for the umptenth time....fingers crossed.
All possible recipients seems strange and too vague for jumping to conclusions that there is a bad buyer. It sounds like the dealer doesn't know who it was shipped to and if it's not known who it was shipped to, it also shouldn't be known if it was shipped at all.
If the dealer doesn't know who it was shipped to, all kinds of things could have happened to the coin, like simply getting lost by the dealer, or something more nefarious as mentioned by @CoinJunkie.
And what if the dealer doesn't remember a legitimate sale? In the case of an accidental shipment, what if the person that it was accidentally shipped to liked the coin and simply paid for it? Without the dealer telling the person to return it, that person wouldn't be in the wrong would they?
I for one could never keep an item shipped to me by mistake. Closest I've ever had to this type of incident, had a seller ship me a coin which was one grade higher than ordered. It wasn't a high dollar item although there was about a 30% jump in value from bought item to item received. Immediate contact to the seller to advise him of the mistake and to ask for directions. He advised it was his mistake and to keep the coin. I offered to pay the difference which was less than $ 100.00. Nope, he refused. I have since purchased a substantial ( for me ) amount of items from this seller. In the end, he has profited and I'm happy on my end.
I feel bad for the OP but far worse for the seller, who’s out the money.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
The coins may not have arrived yet, in which case the wrong buyer doesn't even know he has them.
I actually shipped the wrong coin to someone late last year. I sent him the wrong Morgan $ slab. I hadn't realized I had two of the same grade and forgot to check the registry number.
I emailed the actual buyer and the wrong recipient. I sent a shipping envelope to the wrong guy and an offer to give him $20 for his trouble. He trans-shipped it to the right recipient and refused the $20
I only tell this story because 99.9% of all my eBay transactions have been wonderful and only the 0.1% that are problems tend to get highlighted on the forum.
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When something is shipped, only the addressee or their designee is legally allowed to open the package. This isn't finders keepers, this is mislaid property.
In the case it was shipped to the wrong person, isn't the wrong person is the addressee?
Even if the wrong person is the addressee, this is akin to a situation where if someone accidentally deposits a million dollars in your bank account, that's not your money. If there's an invoice or packing slip inside with someone else's name and info, that is definitely something that can reasonably inform the addressee that they were shipped something by mistake and should return it. My original understanding of the OP is that USPS took the package to the wrong addressee with the correct address on it.
The speculation seems to be that it was included with a legitimate order to a legitimate customer. What if it was mistakenly put on the invoice and the customer simply paid the invoice?
It seems like there's very little that's actually known here. The speculation that it was shipped to a legitimate, but known customer, doesn't seem to be based on anything concrete. It seems just as likely that the coin could simply be misplaced in the dealer's store or office.
If it was mistakenly put on the invoice and the customer paid for it, then the seller messed up big time.
If there were an invoice or packing slip indicating shipment to a different party, then (in theory) the seller would have a record of where the coins are right now. The OP received several coins, of which two were missing. It sounds as if the error occurred during packaging of (multiple) shipments, and was not clerical in nature.
thanks for the link
bookmarked it
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Some good examples. Imagine getting parking lot finds shipped to you and bills for $100s!
What makes you so sure they were sent to someone else, if you got the majority of your order ... it does not seem like 2 orders got shipped to the wrong buyers.
True that. I bad deal all the way around. Hopefully the holder of the coins does the right thing.
Nope...sent to the wrong buyer from the source.
It wasn't 2 orders! My shipment had around 70 certified coins! The 2 missing ended up on a page by themselves which was the end of the order. Easy to see how it could happen as I've messed up a shipment or 2 in my time.