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1990 "No S" proof set, the cent is NOT a proof! Please report!
mbogoman
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The Lincoln cent in this proof set is clearly not a proof. It has luster, not mirrors, and no frost whatsoever. Seller is trying to pull a fast one!
https://ebay.com/itm/1990-NO-S-Lincoln-Penny-Proof-Set-OGP-US-Mint-VERY-RARE/393070555933?hash=item5b84d4b31d:g:NzIAAOSwy11f5rMS
Pic for posterity
mbogoman
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What’s the best way to report it?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Looks like a scam to me.....Thanks for the link (still up) and the picture..... Cheers, RickO
Based on his asking prices for common wheat cents, I’m not optimistic about getting through to the seller, but I tried, anyway.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Reported
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Use the Report Item link, then follow the dropdowns for counterfeit items. I know, its not technically a fake, but it's the best option as it gives you the box for a short description.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
They needed to polish the cent more to give it better mirrors, LOL!
Reported. That one is egregious. It also reminds us that these sets are not sonically sealed.
Thanks and done.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Good catch. Reported.
Reported
Collector
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Reported.
Reported
Sent seller a msg.......in the mean time here is one I snagged off ebay a couple of years ago. Kept as a reminder that these are out there. (I did get a full refund from seller after I explained it was not a proof and how I knew).
bob
Reported.
Just got this response back from the seller.
"Thank you, someone else told me as well! I didn’t know"
Reported.
Seller ended listing. Great job guys.
Collector
Over 100 Positive BST transactions buying and selling with 57 members and counting!
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got a note back: Thank you so so much!! I actually pulled these out of my Fathers attic. I have a ton of coins and a few other mint sets so I’ll definitely take them down. He must’ve gotten screwed lol! Thank you!!
Great job guys!
The seller also replied to me and said - I’m putting this mildly - he’d received some extremely rude messages. If anyone here did that, please stop.
And keep in mind, not all sellers with such listings are dishonest/scammers, etc. Over the years, in addition to making a very large number of reports to EBay, I’ve often messaged the sellers. And in many instances, it turned out that they were honest, thankful and ended their listings.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I got the same message from the seller about rude messages.
I was not rude with them and they were not rude with me.
There is no need to be rude with a seller that is not being rude to you.
I have often messaged sellers too and not all are dishonest and sometimes will even thank you as you mentioned.
After my communications with this seller I'm not convinced they are that honest.
I guess I'm somewhat of a chicken - I usually don't even send a message to the seller because I have had bad retaliations in the past. I just send my opinion to Ebay and let them settle it - oh, and in some cases, I post here when I think it's prudent. In any case, we got the job done on this one and it sounds like the seller understands. Hopefully it won't pop up again in a week or two...
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
I’m not trying to change your mind about contacting sellers, but I’m curious as to what type of bad retaliations you’ve encountered? Were you speaking of problems from them on items you had listed for sale on EBay? I’ve had sellers call me names, but it’s not like they know who I am. I might have a different attitude if I sold on EBay, but I don’t.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Exactly. One guy actually bought a coin from me, then called it a fake when he received it, negged me, and wanted a refund and to keep the coin. Because he called it a fake, it took a little bit of back and forth with Ebay to get things straightened out. In the end, I got the coin back, I refunded him and got his neg removed, but it was a long, drawn out hassle.
Sometimes you can tell from the description whether or not the seller knows what he (or she) is doing. If it seems like a genuine clueless, but honest seller (I even look back into feedback to garner as much info as I can), I will send them a friendly "heads up". I've been on Ebay since 98, so I've got a little experience.
On the above case I erred on the side of caution. Why? I felt that a 1990 "no S" was not something that a novice or inexperienced person would even know anything about. Somebody knew exactly what they were doing when they put that business strike 1990 Philly Lincoln into that set. Was it the seller? I don't know, but that's what I assumed.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
BTW - the coin that the guy called fake was in a PCGS slab. I ended up pointing out the auction records for Ebay and they sided with me.
mbogoman
https://pcgs.com/setregistry/collectors-showcase/classic-issues-colonials-through-1964/zambezi-collection-trade-dollars/7345Asesabi Lutho
Thanks and sorry you experienced that.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Man..............that replaced coin isn't even close.
I'd arrest the seller for fraud.
Pete