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stealerstealer Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭

for those who enjoy these things. It's the S/CC FS-502, which is the rarer of the two (known) S/CC varieties.


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  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,092 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Can't see the CC markings in this pic. Maybe but cannot visualize them.
    Jim


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  • keojkeoj Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭

    Nice!!!!! The s/cc is there, but the effaced c is tough to see without a loupe or scope. The higher the grade, the easier to see. It is a tough coin to find.

    Keoj

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 31,206 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice

  • kazkaz Posts: 9,324 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Good find!

  • Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,396 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @stealer Thanks for sharing this interesting coin. How did that mm error occur? Why is it not noted on the grading label? Peace Roy

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  • EarlyUSEarlyUS Posts: 306 ✭✭✭

    One of my favorite varieties, and it looks perfectly graded by NGC! I'm curious - why no attribution on the holder? It's well worth it for this MUCH better OMM. At a minimum, NGC should have mentioned "S/CC".

    James at EarlyUS.com

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  • amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Sounds like a good cherrypick to me!

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Nice... I have a CC/something.... cannot recall right now which OMM it is... will have to look... Picked it up at a local, small coin show in Seattle area...not a cherrypick, but a good deal. Cheers, RickO

  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,406 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is there a close up of FS-502?

    Here are some others I found:

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,092 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Yes, a closeup would be nice. Thanks,
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,406 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 11, 2020 7:17AM

    Here's a 75 S/CC from @tradedollarnut.

    PCGS doesn't lists the variety. Which one is this one?


  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,092 ✭✭✭✭✭

    How many dies were used in this error? Really cool, I had never heard of it before, but only owned two T$1 before, an 1877 and an 1873 CC so never really studied up on them.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,092 ✭✭✭✭✭

    TDN's is the lead coin on CoinFacts a MS65. According to CoinFacts there is an FS-501 and an FS-502. Neither show a die crack which could occurred at any time in the dies life.
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Zoins said:
    Here's a 75 S/CC from @tradedollarnut.

    PCGS doesn't lists the variety. Which one is this one?


    that is the FS-501 or the main one. The 502 is not nearly as clear and Steelers is a very LDS with the Obv die crack pretty pronounced

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jesbroken said:
    TDN's is the lead coin on CoinFacts a MS65. According to CoinFacts there is an FS-501 and an FS-502. Neither show a die crack which could occurred at any time in the dies life.
    Jim

    both the 501 and the 502 come extensively die cracked and is how to pick them on line

  • keojkeoj Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭

    Picture of 502......feint effaced C to the right of S. Die bump to the left of S. It is quite subtle. Hope this helps. Keoj

  • keojkeoj Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭

    PS: Few are as clear as the one above....contrast was forced a little to highlight the C.

  • stealerstealer Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭✭
    edited December 11, 2020 10:56AM

    Thanks for all the comments! @keoj is right that it's hard to see and @Crypto is correct that it's a very late die state. I assume NGC didn't automatically designate it because it isn't the "red book variety", or perhaps the graders simply missed it.

    @amwldcoin a magician never reveals his tricks ;)

    Here is a better image of the reverse where the C is far more visible.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It should be noted a group of specialists have been looking for a coin like that for almost 10 years at this point. Buch of AUs and lower but that is a great find. Skin could be better

  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,570 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Personally, on an overdate or over mint Mark, the clearer the better

  • keojkeoj Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭

    Agreed. The reason for the image presented!!!! One of the most clear examples I've seen.

  • DDRDDR Posts: 1,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Great pick-up, congratulations!

    As others have noted the CC under the S on the 502 is more difficult to pick up than on the 501.

    Well done.

  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 12, 2020 8:00AM

    I still maintain the type 1/2 micro S is the rarest variety out of the (naked eye identifiable) prolific number of 1875-s dies

    The S/CC FS501 primary

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,092 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Is this the small 's'?
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • CryptoCrypto Posts: 4,091 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 12, 2020 8:23AM

    @jesbroken said:
    Is this the small 's'?
    Jim

    No that is just weak impressed Reg S. There are some crudely prepared dies as the mint was ramping up record to that point production. One can assume that is why the need for modified CC dies. It is a Keoj question but I think there are two Mushy S dies that get very faint through their runs

    Note the micro s is always paired with a type two Rev. Yours is a type one berry in claw

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