Yes, the replies turned mean, but mostly only after the OP’s comments turned a bit nasty themselves. When people ask for advice and then express that they don’t like that advice, the subsequent dogpile is pretty predictable.
Also, I didn’t say the coin was only worth bullion value - I said that’s what I would pay for it. My numismatic interest in a coin like this is zero, thus, for me, its value lies in its bullion content. Most of us aren’t dealers and we look at coins through a different set of eyes. If this coin is worth more than that to you, the OP, or other collectors that’s great. I don’t really care how/what others collect. I still don’t think he got very good value for his money in this instance - that’s all.
Matthew17 --- Just picked this up for $80 I thought it was a fair deal. What do y'all think.
TomB --- ** typically found in choice mint state grades for very little more than what you paid for a cleaned example**
as Cougar1978 posted, you could have purchased a much higher quality Mint State example of this coin for very little morethan you $80 price, still within any tight budget. I accept and understand that many collectors do just that, collect with no anticipation of ever selling, but that is a short-sighted view.
it is better for a beginning collector to seek advice (here) prior to making a mistake rather than after that mistake has been done.
@bolivarshagnasty said:
Matthew, I suggest you sell the Arkansas on eBay with a .99 starting bid. It will be an eye opening experience for you. Many experienced Dealers and Collectors on these forums. Listen to what they are telling you.
That is really not the test of value, it's the test of demand. You can start no problem Morgan $s at $0.99 and not get them anywhere near legitimate value at the close.
You are offering this young man a pass for buying cleaned coins. He has purchased others from the same Dealer. It’s better for him to hear the truth now, rather than trying to move a collection of illiquid cleaned coin years from now. That might cause him to leave the hobby.
You know what that comment tells me most of these people dont know nothing about coins and just want to put people down about what they buy.
We have an "ignore" function, just put curmudgeons like DelawareDoons on Ignore and you won't have to see their nonsense.
You just do not like me because I do not take your crap and called you out for not having a clue about the mint releases that came out recently. If you are gonna call me out by name at least have the decency to tag me in it rather than talk your garbage behind my back.
Also, what's with the 10 posts in a row? You can hit the quote button multiple times, grandpa, and put it all in one post instead spamming things up.
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Re point 2 and 4: I do think this board attracts more experienced collectors and dealers than any other coin forum and that emphasis is not a bad thing. It also can be blunt which may not be the right place for some who would be more comforted elsewhere.
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aside to jmlanzaf --- maybe it's time for you to take another "vacation" if this is what you have to offer after leaving for a short while. your temperment and style of posting in this thread is reminiscent of your style when you fist arrived, abrasive at worst and contrarian at best.
@jmlanzaf said:
But this is the second thread in 2 days where the newbie poster pretty much told us we were a bunch of mean old men and they were going away. That is hardly the way to foster either new members or new collectors. Maybe we're all a bunch of blunt curmudgeons because we've chased all the nice people away.
Or they go to another forum that is a better match for what they want. I endorse courtesy, but perhaps newbies should go from CoinTalk and then to CU once they gain more experience and perspective. You may disagree, but changing our forum culture to fit them is impractical.
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@Matthew17 said:
Just picked this up for $80 I thought it was a fair deal. What do y'all think.
It was a fair deal at that price, however I would agree with the thoughts of many that for just a few dollars more you would have been able to purchase a nicer example that would not have the cleaning marks.
@MasonG said:
To be fair, you did ask people what they thought.
To be fair, he asked if it was a "fair deal" at $80. The answer to that is "yes". It's not a bargain and it's not a rip-off at that price.
All I was saying is that he asked people what they think. When you do that, many will. And quite often, responses provided will be to questions that weren't asked. That's just the way it seems to go.
I guess the OP is either gone or has abandoned this thread.
I think pcgs would like to attract more people to the forums, but telling the new people that ask opinions "it's not worth" or "a better way would have" seems fair to me. I guess I'm guilty of blunt. what does not blunt look like? (not a CT reader)
oh, and despite the upsettedness directed our way first, the words turned much harsher back to the OP. some restraint could have been used there. the person is new.
changing a title to "delete" or "closed" is putting honey out for the flies. (yes, we're that immature)
If you are not replying to this thread, then that is the best thing to do.
stick around, though.
you could get return privileges then ask us what we think after the purchase. you might not like the ideas, you might like them. you don't have to follow them.
aside number two to jmlanzaf --- this is page two of the thread. you have 17 posts on page two which has a total, after my reply, of 33 posts. if you don't understand that there's a problem with your style, than I can't help you.
All coins need love.
If the OP is happy with it, that is all that matters.
Many here spend more on a night out on the town.
I spend more any time I go to a casino.
Anything under $100 is the price of entertainment.
With coin collecting it is good idea to buy the best your budget will allow.
It is best to stay within your budget to prevent financial hardship.
The OP may have abandoned this thread & may have abandoned the forum.
The thread has taken a non-productive turn.
No need to beat a dead horse. This thread should be
Not to go off topic or anything, but I've noticed that PCGS doesn't use numerical grades with details coins. I assume that's so that people don't think that an Unc. Details coin should be worth the same as an MS 60. Does ANACS ever use a numerical grade that is above the minimum for the verbal grade? That is, is there such a thing as an AU 58 Details ANACS holder?
@daltex said:
Not to go off topic or anything, but I've noticed that PCGS doesn't use numerical grades with details coins. I assume that's so that people don't think that an Unc. Details coin should be worth the same as an MS 60. Does ANACS ever use a numerical grade that is above the minimum for the verbal grade? That is, is there such a thing as an AU 58 Details ANACS holder?
Yes, for example, I’ve seen AU53, AU55 and AU58 details grade coins.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@daltex said:
Not to go off topic or anything, but I've noticed that PCGS doesn't use numerical grades with details coins. I assume that's so that people don't think that an Unc. Details coin should be worth the same as an MS 60. Does ANACS ever use a numerical grade that is above the minimum for the verbal grade? That is, is there such a thing as an AU 58 Details ANACS holder?
I've never seen anything higher than MS60 Details on an ANACS label. That's apparently what any uncirculated "problem" coin gets assigned by them, regardless of what the coin might have graded without the problem.
@daltex said:
Not to go off topic or anything, but I've noticed that PCGS doesn't use numerical grades with details coins. I assume that's so that people don't think that an Unc. Details coin should be worth the same as an MS 60. Does ANACS ever use a numerical grade that is above the minimum for the verbal grade? That is, is there such a thing as an AU 58 Details ANACS holder?
Yes, for example, I’ve seen AU53, AU55 and AU58 details grade coins.
It is interesting that they will use 53 or 55 but not 61 or 62. I wonder why.
That distinction makes sense to me. Generally, I think it’s much easier to determine the condition (based upon wear) of a problem circulated coin, than the condition (to a single grading point) of a problem mint state coin, were it not for the problem.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
For all of you "market experts", look at all the details commems Stacks just sold in their November internet auction INCLUDING an Arkansas (PCGS cleaned) for $80.
I don't like the OP's cleaned coin nor the one at Stacks! I'd much rather purchase the $480 Arkansas coin just below the cleaned coin at Stacks.
For all of you "market experts", look at all the details commems Stacks just sold in their November internet auction INCLUDING an Arkansas (PCGS cleaned) for $80.
I don't like the OP's cleaned coin nor the one at Stacks! I'd much rather purchase the $480 Arkansas coin just below the cleaned coin at Stacks.
A preference for a $480 example is a moot point for someone who doesn’t have nearly that much to spend.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Comments
You have received a lot of very good advice in this thread. It is obvious you don't want such advice.
@jmlanzaf
Yes, the replies turned mean, but mostly only after the OP’s comments turned a bit nasty themselves. When people ask for advice and then express that they don’t like that advice, the subsequent dogpile is pretty predictable.
Also, I didn’t say the coin was only worth bullion value - I said that’s what I would pay for it. My numismatic interest in a coin like this is zero, thus, for me, its value lies in its bullion content. Most of us aren’t dealers and we look at coins through a different set of eyes. If this coin is worth more than that to you, the OP, or other collectors that’s great. I don’t really care how/what others collect. I still don’t think he got very good value for his money in this instance - that’s all.
Matthew17 --- Just picked this up for $80 I thought it was a fair deal. What do y'all think.
TomB --- ** typically found in choice mint state grades for very little more than what you paid for a cleaned example**
as Cougar1978 posted, you could have purchased a much higher quality Mint State example of this coin for very little morethan you $80 price, still within any tight budget. I accept and understand that many collectors do just that, collect with no anticipation of ever selling, but that is a short-sighted view.
it is better for a beginning collector to seek advice (here) prior to making a mistake rather than after that mistake has been done.
You are offering this young man a pass for buying cleaned coins. He has purchased others from the same Dealer. It’s better for him to hear the truth now, rather than trying to move a collection of illiquid cleaned coin years from now. That might cause him to leave the hobby.
You just do not like me because I do not take your crap and called you out for not having a clue about the mint releases that came out recently. If you are gonna call me out by name at least have the decency to tag me in it rather than talk your garbage behind my back.
Also, what's with the 10 posts in a row? You can hit the quote button multiple times, grandpa, and put it all in one post instead spamming things up.
"It's like God, Family, Country, except Sticker, Plastic, Coin."
Re point 2 and 4: I do think this board attracts more experienced collectors and dealers than any other coin forum and that emphasis is not a bad thing. It also can be blunt which may not be the right place for some who would be more comforted elsewhere.
"She comes out of the sun in a silk dress,
running like a water color in the rain...."
This is a very lively discussion for an $80 coin. I’ve seen less comments for an Omega.
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
aside to jmlanzaf --- maybe it's time for you to take another "vacation" if this is what you have to offer after leaving for a short while. your temperment and style of posting in this thread is reminiscent of your style when you fist arrived, abrasive at worst and contrarian at best.
Or they go to another forum that is a better match for what they want. I endorse courtesy, but perhaps newbies should go from CoinTalk and then to CU once they gain more experience and perspective. You may disagree, but changing our forum culture to fit them is impractical.
"She comes out of the sun in a silk dress,
running like a water color in the rain...."
It was a fair deal at that price, however I would agree with the thoughts of many that for just a few dollars more you would have been able to purchase a nicer example that would not have the cleaning marks.
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All I was saying is that he asked people what they think. When you do that, many will. And quite often, responses provided will be to questions that weren't asked. That's just the way it seems to go.
BTW- I would agree that $80 is a fair deal.
$80 for that coin.
I just spent $90 for two scoops of bait to go Tuna fishing.
I do not have any bait left and all I have is the memory of the trip.
You have the $80 coin in hand and I have nothing in hand.
I got a way better deal on my 90 bucks than you got on your 80 bucks
I guess the OP is either gone or has abandoned this thread.
I think pcgs would like to attract more people to the forums, but telling the new people that ask opinions "it's not worth" or "a better way would have" seems fair to me. I guess I'm guilty of blunt. what does not blunt look like? (not a CT reader)
oh, and despite the upsettedness directed our way first, the words turned much harsher back to the OP. some restraint could have been used there. the person is new.
to Matthew17:
changing a title to "delete" or "closed" is putting honey out for the flies. (yes, we're that immature)
If you are not replying to this thread, then that is the best thing to do.
stick around, though.
you could get return privileges then ask us what we think after the purchase. you might not like the ideas, you might like them. you don't have to follow them.
aside number two to jmlanzaf --- this is page two of the thread. you have 17 posts on page two which has a total, after my reply, of 33 posts. if you don't understand that there's a problem with your style, than I can't help you.
hopeless.
This thread is now worse than the coin itself.
All coins need love.
If the OP is happy with it, that is all that matters.
Many here spend more on a night out on the town.
I spend more any time I go to a casino.
Anything under $100 is the price of entertainment.
With coin collecting it is good idea to buy the best your budget will allow.
It is best to stay within your budget to prevent financial hardship.
The OP may have abandoned this thread & may have abandoned the forum.
The thread has taken a non-productive turn.
No need to beat a dead horse.
This thread should be
Dang! That's a pearl of wisdom! The forum would have to shut down without your wonderful contributions.
Not to go off topic or anything, but I've noticed that PCGS doesn't use numerical grades with details coins. I assume that's so that people don't think that an Unc. Details coin should be worth the same as an MS 60. Does ANACS ever use a numerical grade that is above the minimum for the verbal grade? That is, is there such a thing as an AU 58 Details ANACS holder?
Yes, for example, I’ve seen AU53, AU55 and AU58 details grade coins.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I've never seen anything higher than MS60 Details on an ANACS label. That's apparently what any uncirculated "problem" coin gets assigned by them, regardless of what the coin might have graded without the problem.
That distinction makes sense to me. Generally, I think it’s much easier to determine the condition (based upon wear) of a problem circulated coin, than the condition (to a single grading point) of a problem mint state coin, were it not for the problem.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I don't like the OP's cleaned coin nor the one at Stacks! I'd much rather purchase the $480 Arkansas coin just below the cleaned coin at Stacks.
A preference for a $480 example is a moot point for someone who doesn’t have nearly that much to spend.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.