I stopped in at Kolor Kraft this week. I didn't really chat with the owners, as they were busy with quite a few other customers. But I think I'll start stopping in more often, let them get a bit acquainted with me first. Then I'll see what I can wrangle out of them.
(Their selection of coins was so-so...really nicely toned Morgan that I thought about buying, but that was about it. The only thing that jumped out at me as being AT was a Canadian proof set, which they probably did not do.)
Interestingly, since this Thread I've purchased three more PCGS Peacock Ikes. My joy in collecting them has not slowed down even though, now, I know the "rest of the story".
That's going to spark renewed interest in the PKOK story. If the interest is anywhere near what this thread originally drummed up, we should hit 200 replys by the end of the weekend.
So, are you going to share your new found knowledge?
Yep, the prices don't really drop either. Tad recently sold two full blown Peacock Ikes from his website at just under $2,000.00 EACH (MS66's). Beautiful coins with that tradmark Orangish RED rims and all.
> Beautiful coins with that tradmark Orangish RED rims and all.
You hit the target. There are so many colorful Ikes and everybody calls them PKOK. The real PKOKs are the ones with Red/Orange rims. I also bought some in this year. I like them very very much
Does anyone still remember when PKOK Ike showed up in the market (twice), how many are them? If possible, could you further break down the number to Clad/siliver/proof?
<< <i>Interestingly, since this Thread I've purchased three more PCGS Peacock Ikes. My joy in collecting them has not slowed down even though, now, I know the "rest of the story". >>
Pat, I can't find where you told "the rest of the story" !
I'd suppose R. Robert Campbell (All About Coins) in SLC actually does know the truth--but good luck asking since it's rumered he was seriously threatened by some coin AT-scammers when he was ANA President, giving his talk on AT coins.
I say no way. Start duplicating them and I'll buy them all up.-----James, this is nonsense!!! the best guitarists haven't been able to duplicate some of the stuff Jimi Hendrix did, but he still did it. it's totally within reason to assume that over time someone perfected a method which hasn't yet(and possibly never will be) been duplicated.
If they are AT, more would show up.-----again, nonsense. perhaps the perpetrator simply chose not to make anymore or is releasing them at his own pace for his own reasons. perhaps the perpetrator is dead.
Second point, when they first came out they were bringing all of $35 per coin.-----RE: bigger fool theory!!! i think the pricing is easily explained by the controversy. when the coins first appeared they weren't well received, the series as a whole is more popular now and when PCGS gave them the stamp-of-approval it naturally followed that collectors would feel more confident in buying the coins without fear of financial loss. it's the same thing that happened with those intensely toned Proof Jefferson Nickels from the MartyHoard. the collector or dealer who doesn't believe that a PCGS holder adds value is an idiot.
Hardly worth the time.-----when they were first exposed to the open market, i don't feel it was the $35/coin that kept people away, it was the issue of AT-NT, you know that. it was only after some hype by interested parties and coins starting to get into holders that prices started climbing. please don't misinterpret me, but i figure Tad did has good deed and his bad deed for the series and the hobby; he pursuaded the major services to attribute the three 1972 Type Dollars and then he created a market for the Peacock hoard. then he rode off into the sunset. i have always presumed that he is still here under another ID, but it really isn't important to me.
i have felt since they first appeared that they were pretty coins but a bit artificial. strangely, if i could buy one for $35 i probably would!!! at $2000 i think they are a fools errand but then the hobby is populated with fools and idiots with more dollars than sense.
Thirdly PCGS says they are real, then they must be real.
It was actually Jim Barlow (of the famed, "The Kennedy Center") that had many of the original Peacock Ikes holdered via PCGS (and, a few in the older PCI). The coins were sold out of a paint store in Salt Lake City (yes, there is irony there...).
Jim even gave them the name calling them PKOK Ikes on his mailing list back in the late eighties, early 90's- into the mid 1990's.
Tad purchased many of the Ikes on the secondary market after they had already been purchased and sold by other enthusiasts- having the prices driven up multiple times in the process.
It was actually Jim Barlow (of the famed, "The Kennedy Center") that had many of the original Peacock Ikes holdered via PCGS (and, a few in the older PCI). The coins were sold out of a paint store in Salt Lake City (yes, there is irony there...).
Jim even gave them the name calling them PKOK Ikes on his mailing list back in the late eighties, early 90's- into the mid 1990's.
Tad purchased many of the Ikes on the secondary market after they had already been purchased and sold by other enthusiasts- having the prices driven up multiple times in the process.
no offense, Pat, but your additional explanation above wreaks as bad as the others. i swear, i have heard as many stories about the origin of these coins as i care to hear!!!!! i doubt anyone knows the truth about their origin, at least noone who is able or willing to tell the story, and then that story would just add to the myth.
in the end, we each choose to believe what we want to about these coins since it becomes clear with the passing of time that nothing can be proven, much like the Urban Myths told around the campfire. i have yet to hear a story told in the first person, it's always someone who knew someone..................................
"Keets if you look at one of the other threads, you'll see I've changed my position on the origin of these coins. That still doesn't affect the market as it is very robust."
James: What is the latest position on the origin of these coins (to save myself and some others the trouble of searching other threads)?
Wondercoin
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to be honest, i thought we had either discussed in person, via PM or within the context of a thread that you had changed you stance and i hadn't realized that your comment was a few years old. i wrongly assumed that your post was current. sorry.
Keets if you look at one of the other threads, you'll see I've changed my position on the origin of these coins.
That still doesn't affect the market as it is very robust. I think this sums it up.
Do we call Battle Creek coins AT even though one person clearly had them in one spot for a period of time. Who really knows how they were stored?
The PKOK's were delivered by the same person just as the BC coins.
The bottom line is the market still accepts these as NT. At the end of the day all toning is AT, some is just accelerated and that is what we numismatists call AT.
<< <i>I'd suppose R. Robert Campbell (All About Coins) in SLC actually does know the truth--but good luck asking since it's rumered he was seriously threatened by some coin AT-scammers when he was ANA President, giving his talk on AT coins. >>
He said at the ANA Summer Seminar this year, that they are all AT.
<< <i>I'd suppose R. Robert Campbell (All About Coins) in SLC actually does know the truth--but good luck asking since it's rumered he was seriously threatened by some coin AT-scammers when he was ANA President, giving his talk on AT coins. >>
He said at the ANA Summer Seminar this year, that they are all AT. >>
No way on the last 2 coins. And, the PKOK hoard was AT. We don't need to beat a dead horse. Just pay the huge premium and enjoy a piece of history. They are usually very nice coins.
You only live life once, enjoy it like it's your last day. It just MIGHT be!
12 years before this thread was created, PKOK Ike dollars showed up in the market. It has been another 12 years after this thread was created, would anyone post the "truth?"
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Does she or doesn't she... only her coin dealer knows for sure.
I know of a major collector who still has a group of raw PKOKs. I'm sure there are others. I have seen PKOKs in PCGS, NGC, ANACS, and PCI holders.
Greg
Edited to add: Much a do about nothing was a shorter play than this thread.
I stopped in at Kolor Kraft this week. I didn't really chat with the owners, as they were busy with quite a few other customers. But I think I'll start stopping in more often, let them get a bit acquainted with me first. Then I'll see what I can wrangle out of them.
(Their selection of coins was so-so...really nicely toned Morgan that I thought about buying, but that was about it. The only thing that jumped out at me as being AT was a Canadian proof set, which they probably did not do.)
Kolor Kraft
125 Gordon Lane
Salt Lake City, UT 84107
801-268-1431. (I'm taking the phone number from memory, and may have the area code incorrect.)
peacockcoins
peacockcoins
That's going to spark renewed interest in the PKOK story. If the interest is anywhere near what this thread originally drummed up, we should hit 200 replys by the end of the weekend.
So, are you going to share your new found knowledge?
I've bought a few more as well!
Keep em coming!
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
Beautiful coins with that tradmark Orangish RED rims and all.
peacockcoins
> Beautiful coins with that tradmark Orangish RED rims and all.
You hit the target. There are so many colorful Ikes and everybody calls them PKOK.
The real PKOKs are the ones with Red/Orange rims.
I also bought some in this year. I like them very very much
Don't forget the purple ring on the rim as well.
Greg
Of course, the purple rim and red-pupple center, the most beautiful PKOK.
peacockcoins
If possible, could you further break down the number to Clad/siliver/proof?
can anyone show us some?
no brainer AT
(Michael, not that I totally disagree with you, just wondering where you get your stance from.)
-I hope to have some photos of these to post on Saturday when I bust out the gear for the weekend auction listings.
peacockcoins
<< <i>Interestingly, since this Thread I've purchased three more PCGS Peacock Ikes. My joy in collecting them has not slowed down even though, now, I know the "rest of the story". >>
Pat, I can't find where you told "the rest of the story" !
If they are AT, more would show up.
Second point, when they first came out they were bringing all of $35 per coin.
Hardly worth the time.
Thirdly PCGS says they are real, then they must be real.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
rainbowroosie April 1, 2003
JMHO,
If they are AT, more would show up.-----again, nonsense. perhaps the perpetrator simply chose not to make anymore or is releasing them at his own pace for his own reasons. perhaps the perpetrator is dead.
Second point, when they first came out they were bringing all of $35 per coin.-----RE: bigger fool theory!!! i think the pricing is easily explained by the controversy. when the coins first appeared they weren't well received, the series as a whole is more popular now and when PCGS gave them the stamp-of-approval it naturally followed that collectors would feel more confident in buying the coins without fear of financial loss. it's the same thing that happened with those intensely toned Proof Jefferson Nickels from the MartyHoard. the collector or dealer who doesn't believe that a PCGS holder adds value is an idiot.
Hardly worth the time.-----when they were first exposed to the open market, i don't feel it was the $35/coin that kept people away, it was the issue of AT-NT, you know that. it was only after some hype by interested parties and coins starting to get into holders that prices started climbing. please don't misinterpret me, but i figure Tad did has good deed and his bad deed for the series and the hobby; he pursuaded the major services to attribute the three 1972 Type Dollars and then he created a market for the Peacock hoard. then he rode off into the sunset. i have always presumed that he is still here under another ID, but it really isn't important to me.
i have felt since they first appeared that they were pretty coins but a bit artificial. strangely, if i could buy one for $35 i probably would!!! at $2000 i think they are a fools errand but then the hobby is populated with fools and idiots with more dollars than sense.
Thirdly PCGS says they are real, then they must be real.
Since you own a few ........you can hope -
but I say there as fake as can be
Jim even gave them the name calling them PKOK Ikes on his mailing list back in the late eighties, early 90's- into the mid 1990's.
Tad purchased many of the Ikes on the secondary market after they had already been purchased and sold by other enthusiasts- having the prices driven up multiple times in the process.
peacockcoins
Jim even gave them the name calling them PKOK Ikes on his mailing list back in the late eighties, early 90's- into the mid 1990's.
Tad purchased many of the Ikes on the secondary market after they had already been purchased and sold by other enthusiasts- having the prices driven up multiple times in the process.
no offense, Pat, but your additional explanation above wreaks as bad as the others. i swear, i have heard as many stories about the origin of these coins as i care to hear!!!!! i doubt anyone knows the truth about their origin, at least noone who is able or willing to tell the story, and then that story would just add to the myth.
in the end, we each choose to believe what we want to about these coins since it becomes clear with the passing of time that nothing can be proven, much like the Urban Myths told around the campfire. i have yet to hear a story told in the first person, it's always someone who knew someone..................................
That still doesn't affect the market as it is very robust.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
That still doesn't affect the market as it is very robust."
James: What is the latest position on the origin of these coins (to save myself and some others the trouble of searching other threads)?
Wondercoin
to be honest, i thought we had either discussed in person, via PM or within the context of a thread that you had changed you stance and i hadn't realized that your comment was a few years old. i wrongly assumed that your post was current. sorry.
roadrunner
<< <i>Wasn't it professionals that slabbed them as well?
roadrunner >>
Identified as AT by a professional.
Slabbed by a professional.
Not stickered by a professional.
<< <i>James: What is the latest position on the origin of these coins (to save myself and some others the trouble of searching other threads)? >>
Yes, inquiring minds want to know.
GrandAm
That still doesn't affect the market as it is very robust. I think this sums it up.
Do we call Battle Creek coins AT even though one person clearly had them in one spot for a period of time. Who really knows how they were stored?
The PKOK's were delivered by the same person just as the BC coins.
The bottom line is the market still accepts these as NT. At the end of the day all toning is AT, some is just accelerated and that is what we numismatists call AT.
Ike Specialist
Finest Toned Ike I've Ever Seen, been looking since 1986
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The PKOK's were delivered by the same person just as the BC coins. >>
Now, THAT, I did not know......you are 100% certain on that?
I've been told I tolerate fools poorly...that may explain things if I have a problem with you. Current ebay items - Nothing at the moment
<< <i>I'd suppose R. Robert Campbell (All About Coins) in SLC actually does know the truth--but good luck asking since it's rumered he was seriously threatened by some coin AT-scammers when he was ANA President, giving his talk on AT coins.
He said at the ANA Summer Seminar this year, that they are all AT.
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<< <i>I'd suppose R. Robert Campbell (All About Coins) in SLC actually does know the truth--but good luck asking since it's rumered he was seriously threatened by some coin AT-scammers when he was ANA President, giving his talk on AT coins.
He said at the ANA Summer Seminar this year, that they are all AT. >>
Still AT?
I'm interested if it is still collected, has it gained or lost respect?
My interest began when I picked up two proof Ikes
1974-S PCGS PR69 DCAM Secure Plus
1971-S Ike Dollar ANACS PF65 CAMEO....soon to cross to PCGS
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
<< <i>Any new solid information on this collection?
I'm interested if it is still collected, has it gained or lost respect? >>
Now that JA is stickering IKEs perhaps we can get his opinion.
This is described by the seller as a PKOK coin, but I have my doubts. What do you think?
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<< <i>Any new solid information on this collection?
I'm interested if it is still collected, has it gained or lost respect? >>
Now that JA is stickering IKEs perhaps we can get his opinion.
This is described by the seller as a PKOK coin, but I have my doubts. What do you think?
I to have a difficult time believing so. I think the set name gets tossed around to generate silly funds. IMO
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
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<< <i>Any new solid information on this collection?
I'm interested if it is still collected, has it gained or lost respect? >>
Now that JA is stickering IKEs perhaps we can get his opinion.
This is described by the seller as a PKOK coin, but I have my doubts. What do you think?
Excuse me but I thought that PKOK applied to ANY colorfully toned IKE?
The name is LEE!
It has been another 12 years after this thread was created, would anyone post the "truth?"