OT: Pfizer Covid Vaccine 90% effective. Coin shows here we come!
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In all seriousness, a 90% effective vaccine, if scalable to a broad population, is a fantastic result. Manufacturing and adoption will take half a year, ANA 2021 may be back on!
Pfizer is manufacturing the vaccine about a mile from my house in Portage, MI
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Why don't you run over there and get us all a dose???
Good news, and the US Mint volunteered to use their online platform to help distribute the vaccine.
Depends on when the vaccine is rolled out, how many doses can be rolled out and when ANA 2021 is being held. Between now and then, wear a mask.
The Oxford vaccine is also showing a high efficacy rate, too. Neither are part of "Warp Speed" but should be widely available at some point. Hopefully Moderna, Johnson and Johnson and AstraZenaca will prove as or more effective with their efforts.
Coin shows will become safer as we all will, gradually. As more are vaccinated, the risks drop.
😁 There’s promise in the air boys. It’s been a horrible year and just the idea of bringing some normalcy back is encouraging.
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We’re going to die.
90% effective is actually terrible. If any of the medical device companies that I worked for produced a product or test that was only 90% they would have been out of business in 6 months.
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Except that isn't how vaccines work. It's about artificially creating herd immunity, not providing 100% coverage.
Guess we should eliminate flu shots which are generally half as effective 🙄
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Yes at less than 50% effective it is no worth getting.
I don't want to dampen enthusiasm about this exciting news, but:
Independent scientists have cautioned against hyping early results before long-term safety and efficacy data has been collected. And no one knows how long the vaccine’s protection might last.
https://nytimes.com/2020/11/09/health/covid-vaccine-pfizer.html
The ANA may be a realistic target date for having enough data to reasonably assess a vaccine's efficacy, but is there a practical way to guarantee that attendees have had it administered?
"If scalable" is going to be an issue here. If you trust the vaccine, which based on what we know so far is safe and has at least some efficacy, its going to be on us to talk to our friends, peers and family members who don't. 40%+ of the population has stated not only hesitancy, but total opposition, to a vaccine. We need to have meaningful conversations, teaching and answering questions to this group. Even with 90% efficacy, if only 60% get it, we are still going to be in tough shape, and likely a mass gathering such as a coin show would still be iffy.
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What a surprise. The timing of the announcement is rather curious? Imagine it being one week earlier. Oh, well. Good news. I'll be first in line.
Part of the reason to get it is to slow the spread to others. Also, the flu kills tens of thousands of people. If the vaccine were mandatory and 50% effective, that’s a substantial number of lives saved even without accounting for the reduction of R0.
I like the chance to avoid the flu plus Publix pays me $10 to take it. That’s a cost benefit calculation in my favor! 😊
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I only get the flu when i get the shot...
I'll pass, I will just keep flushing my internal systems with everclear... alcohol is a great disinfectant....
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Silly. I guess you never worked for companies that make spinal cord stimulators or biliary stents. Anyway it’s apples and oranges.
Vaccination is not going to make COVID go away. It won’t work in everyone and not everyone will get it. This particular vaccine is going to have logistical nightmares. But it’s a major step forward in getting a handle on this pandemic.
LOL. That's great news for the 12 people who manage to log in! For the others, the "ban" is going to really hur> @djm said:
Flu vaccines are only 50% effective.
90% effective doesn't give you a 10% chance of dying.
The 50% number is a little deceptive. You get over 90% immune response, but not 90% immunity. But even for those without total immunity (flu), many people get milder symptoms due to having antibodies already present.
And the 50% immunity number is still helpful in decreasing the infection rate and decreasing the overall spread. The R0 number gets smaller when there are fewer possible hosts which lowers the number of people that each viral spreader can infect. It creates a much smaller chain.
Imagine that each infected person is capable of infecting 4 other people. Then I get it who gives it to 4 people who give it to 16 people (4x4) who give it to 64 people (4x16) etc. If you get 50% of the people immune, then I can only give it to 2 people who then only give it to 4 people who then only give it to 8 people, etc. It is much harder to get a major breakout that way.
Failure to get vaccinations (if not medically proscribed) is actually somewhat selfish, antisocial behavior as it increases the risk to those that can't themselves get vaccinated.
Said there gonna go places with it this time 🙄
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Does this mean an e-Bay'er with a 90% rating is also effective?......
Yes. They are 90% effective.
If your daughter got 90% on all her tests, would you be okay if we didn't let her graduate?
Sure hope so! Interesting thing I heard is that even for people the virus is not effective for but who still received it, it still can help reduce symptoms & speed along recovery greatly.
I wont take it and never will. Neither should you!
I get the flu shot every year and I never get the flu. I'm planning to get the Covid19 vaccination shot the first chance it's available. To not get it would be totally irresponsible.
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A vaccine that is 50-60% effective would be enough to really, really slow down the pandemic. One that is 90% effective will meet our most optimistic expectations. If true, it will stop COVID in its tracks, once broadly administered. This will be really important for those at highest risk..... elderly, those in nursing homes, immunocompromised people, healthcare workers.
I would remind everyone that the development of a successful vaccine wasn't (and still isn't) a given. This effort to produce one, if successful, will be a remarkable accomplishment.
For comparison, two doses of polio vaccine is 90% effective. One dose of MMR vaccine is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella. Two doses of MMR vaccine are 97% effective against measles and 88% effective against mumps.
We don't need to reach 100% efficacy to see virtually 100% elimination of the disease. Each person with COVID, on average, infects somewhere around 1.4 others. The exact number is debated continuously. Eliminate a few potential targets, and that number soon drops below 1.0. Once that happens, the prevalence of the disease starts dropping. How fast that happens depends on how fast the vaccine can be rolled out and given.
Good news indeed!
I just can't wait to get back to my usual work attire.
I was in portage last winter and spring installing fiber optic cable for Verizon, part of the project ran right down the road in front of Pfizer
A 90 day trial with ~44,000 subjects and only 94 total contracted the virus? Of those 94, 9 got the vaccine while the other 85 got the placebo. So Pfizer claims 90% effectiveness?
We've got a long way to go folks. By Pfizer's number the placebo must be highly effective too. The rate of infection in the U.S. from COVID-19 in the last 90 days has been almost 10X their 94 out 44,000.
Eventually we'll get this thing under control. That won't be happening until 2022 however.
Isn't it supposed to be administered along with the Bill Gates "mark of the beast" chip? No chip, no coin show (or anything else for that matter).
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This is very encouraging news, although it is an interim report. This is an mRNA vaccine that must be kept at extremely low temps until shortly before administration, posing big logistical issues... like ramping up the dry ice supply. Still it's a strong ray of hope that we can once again attend major shows without fear (and do all that other stuff that's part of a normal life, but it's all other stuff).
Yes it’s great news. Hoping by summer the vaccine will be available to us dweebs.
This is good news... and other companies are also approaching the finish line.... Hopefully, logistics (i.e. temperature storage, distribution et al) are also being addressed for improvements. I am tired of masks and distancing and people not minding their own business.... Cheers, RickO
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I went to the link and read the linked articles and, to me, all this appears to simply being typical market overreaction to potential good news followed closely by typical market overreaction to the negative bits in the news.
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