1873 Indian Cent - MPD within the denticles?

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• trueblood Posts: 609 ✭✭✭✭

  October 20, 2020 8:41PM

  Question, does it really matter? IMO when you need an electron microscope ignorer to possibly see something that might be there and might not then maybe it isn't worth the trouble, just saying.

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• MarkInDavis Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭✭

  October 20, 2020 11:03PM

  Looks like it to me. Of course, in hand examination would be nice.

  Respectfully, Mark

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• yosclimber Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 21, 2020 12:57AM edited October 21, 2020 1:52AM

  Rick's books are great, but there are a couple of competing websites which also have descriptions and some photos of known varieties.
  http://www.indiancentvarieties.com/1873_varieties.html
  https://www.indianvarieties.com/pennies/indian-head-cents/1873-indian-head-penny/open-3/

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 21, 2020 3:02AM

  i'll vote no. just based on experience for mpd in denticles in a few different series, they are usually quite obvious to the trained eye and this doesn't ring true. especially with such amazing images. a nice 73 in any event.

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• ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 21, 2020 4:36AM

  Looks more like die chips.... Cheers, RickO

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• seanq Posts: 8,711 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 21, 2020 8:50AM

  I am also voting "no", usually there will be a little distortion of the denticles from the punch, and on your coin the mark in question seems to ride above them without impacting them at all. I think it is a deep die scratch or abrasion and not a digit.

  Sean Reynolds

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• TradesWithChops Posts: 640 ✭✭✭✭

  October 21, 2020 12:56PM

  My vote is yes.

  Doesnt appear to be a gouge to me. also, it's on both sides of the denticle.

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• mannie gray Posts: 7,259 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 21, 2020 9:24PM

  @seanq said:
  I am also voting "no", usually there will be a little distortion of the denticles from the punch, and on your coin the mark in question seems to ride above them without impacting them at all. I think it is a deep die scratch or abrasion and not a digit.

  Sean Reynolds

  Add another no vote for reasons well stated above.

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• Lakesammman Posts: 17,437 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 22, 2020 3:00PM

  Here's a MPD from 1870 for comparison.......

  

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• LanceNewmanOCC Posts: 19,999 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 22, 2020 3:17PM

  @LanceNewmanOCC said:
  i'll vote no. just based on experience for mpd in denticles in a few different series, they are usually quite obvious to the trained eye and this doesn't ring true. especially with such amazing images. a nice 73 in any event.

  i may change my vote. that black circle distracted me and i now see something between 2 dentils.

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• yosclimber Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭✭✭

  October 22, 2020 4:03PM edited October 22, 2020 4:05PM

  @Lakesammman said:
  Here's a MPD from 1870 for comparison.......

  

  MPDs can be very plain when they are located in the field!
  There are some relatively strong MPDs within the dentils on some dies, too.
  When they are smaller, they are more difficult to distinguish as parts of digits
  and could be from other types of impact on the die (die gouge, die scratch, etc.)

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