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Guess the grade. Toned $20 St Gaudens. TrueView posted.

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  • dimplesdimples Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭

    here's one of mine.

  • dimplesdimples Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭


    It's PCGS65 green bean

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 3, 2020 8:52PM

    @dimples said:
    It's PCGS65 green bean

    We are talking about something totally different.
    A new way of appreciating saints.
    It's easy to find a high grade 23-D
    I have one (MS66+CAC) & jwitten's coin is very interesting.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jwitten - Are you going to submit it to PCGS?

  • coinsarefuncoinsarefun Posts: 21,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @cameonut2011 said:
    @jwitten - Are you going to submit it to PCGS?

    Mailed it yesterday

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jwitten said:

    @cameonut2011 said:
    @jwitten - Are you going to submit it to PCGS?

    Mailed it yesterday

    Please let us know how they grade it. :)

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  • dimplesdimples Posts: 1,286 ✭✭✭

    @ReadyFireAim said:

    @dimples said:
    It's PCGS65 green bean

    We are talking about something totally different.
    A new way of appreciating saints.
    It's easy to find a high grade 23-D
    I have one (MS66+CAC) & jwitten's coin is very interesting.

    The thread subject is toning so I posted a heavily toned saint and included the grade if anyone was interested in knowing. try to stay on topic please.

  • PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 4, 2020 6:21PM

    @jwitten said:


    This is pretty amazing, and excellent photo comparison. I have not seen any other gold like this.

  • BroadstruckBroadstruck Posts: 30,497 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Don't think that's legit as the surface condition doesn't even look original.

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  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Disagree! Circle gets the square.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 5, 2020 1:24PM

    Check out this other Simpson MS65 pop 6/2
    Looks like it got barbecued.

    Also notice the machine doubling on top of the eagles head and under the neck.
    (right click & open in new tab)

  • ifthevamzarockinifthevamzarockin Posts: 8,908 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very pretty! I like it! :)

    AU-55

  • RonBRonB Posts: 638 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I like her too..
    She's definitely been around the block.

    AU50

    Collector of Classic US Coins
  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,726 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I’ll just say she is very nice and that I am not surprised that she straight graded. My guess is 55 with a shot at 58.

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  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll guess PCGS called it AU53.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I still don't think it is totally original, but I have seen a few other pieces in straight graded holders hence my AU53 guess.

  • cameonut2011cameonut2011 Posts: 10,181 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @RonB said:
    I like her too..
    She's definitely been around the block.

    AU50

    A lot of the popular ones have been. ;)

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2020 6:40AM

    I'm going to go 94 Alt-Surf.
    They have been killing me recently.

    Very pretty though...I like it.

  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    55.

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2020 7:39AM

    I don’t like look of it regardless of the holder. Nor would I spend the money crossing that coin just get what lol - same grade for something that trades around melt?

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  • jedmjedm Posts: 3,162 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is a desirable piece in PCGS plastic. My guess (and that's all it is really) is that she crossed at grade- 55.

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Cougar1978 said:
    I don’t like look of it regardless of the holder. Nor would I spend the money crossing that coin just get what lol - same grade for something that trades around melt?

    If you can find any other toned St Gaudens near melt that are a better date, let me know. Lol

  • Cougar1978Cougar1978 Posts: 8,765 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My valuation of it based on CDN.

    Investor
  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My guess is 53. I can't join the desirable crowd. :/

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  • coinlieutenantcoinlieutenant Posts: 9,320 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Glad you cracked.
  • PedzolaPedzola Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1. Cool piece.
  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will wait for a few more guesses before the reveal. Most are in the 53-55 range. One altered surface guess (is that the same as artificial color, or something else?)

  • CoinJunkieCoinJunkie Posts: 8,772 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2020 12:34PM

    @jwitten said:
    I will wait for a few more guesses before the reveal. Most are in the 53-55 range. One altered surface guess (is that the same as artificial color, or something else?)

    Questionable color is separate from altered surfaces, which generally indicates putty, lacquer, etc.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2020 4:06PM

    @jwitten said:
    (is that the same as artificial color, or something else?)

    Altered surface is a catch-all & the least specific of the codes.
    It could be natural toning or the result of iodine to enhance color.
    It could also be a bad dip that left a residue or PVC haze.

    Alt-Surf is reversible with a good dip.

    My 1925 has Alt-Surf but it's straight graded. I like it very much and won't have it "fixed".
    It's often possible to see through it at an angle but shows up strongly straight on.

    I'm speaking specifically about gold.


    This is my 25 that appears to me to have been "smoked"
    Natural or not, I don't know.
    It didn't CAC because I think JA is too lazy to look at it under a scope with fluorescent lighting to see its original surface is 100% there.

  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I'm going with 45. I love it.

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  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So, my toner graded AU details, scratched. I'm really, really disappointed. I don't see any marks that would not be natural and normal for an AU graded coin. I've seen FAR worse scratches straight graded.

  • clarkbar04clarkbar04 Posts: 4,979 ✭✭✭✭✭

    58 and cool.

    MS66 taste on an MS63 budget.
  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    For example, this toned Indian graded AU58. The mark on the obverse left is FAR bigger in relationship to the coin, and actually bigger in total size than any marks on the $20 they graded as "scratched". Frustrating to say the least. Anyone else see anything that warrants the scratched grade?

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jwitten said:
    So, my toner graded AU details, scratched. I'm really, really disappointed. I don't see any marks that would not be natural and normal for an AU graded coin. I've seen FAR worse scratches straight graded.

    I've seen "fab-5" saints straight grade MS with more wear.
    So far as the scratch goes...Have a look at this one ;)

    (MS64 Hansen)

  • ksuscottksuscott Posts: 283 ✭✭✭

    Might be the scratch under TW on the reverse.

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ReadyFireAim said:

    @jwitten said:
    So, my toner graded AU details, scratched. I'm really, really disappointed. I don't see any marks that would not be natural and normal for an AU graded coin. I've seen FAR worse scratches straight graded.

    I've seen "fab-5" saints straight grade MS with more wear.
    So far as the scratch goes...Have a look at this one ;)

    (MS64 Hansen)

    Yeah, that scratch is bigger and more distracting (in my opinion) than any marks on mine. Oh well. Will have to try again some day.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,821 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I suggest that you resubmit it for reconsideration. Not sure if that would be a waste of time though.

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
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  • ms70ms70 Posts: 13,956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Scratched?? Unless I'm blind I only see what I'd consider to be "dings" consistent with bagging and circulation.

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  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2020 5:22PM

    That is a really nice TrueView though. :)

  • Wahoo554Wahoo554 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 29, 2020 10:40PM

    I completely disagree with the scratched details grade. None of the dings appear big enough to warrant it, plus they are toned over.

  • PickwickjrPickwickjr Posts: 556 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Time to play the game, another grading fee, handling fee.
    Good luck

  • ShadyDaveShadyDave Posts: 2,217 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @jwitten said:
    For example, this toned Indian graded AU58. The mark on the obverse left is FAR bigger in relationship to the coin, and actually bigger in total size than any marks on the $20 they graded as "scratched". Frustrating to say the least. Anyone else see anything that warrants the scratched grade?

    Yes, and if I'm not mistaken that was in an auction a few weeks/months ago on eBay. I definitely stayed on the sidelines due to the scratch on that coin. That is definitely worthy of a details "scratch" or "damage" grade.

    I don't see anything that should warrant a "scratch" details grade for the $20. Can you post the cert# so we can see the full size pics?

  • ElmerFusterpuckElmerFusterpuck Posts: 4,789 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All I saw were normal circulation dings and marks. That coin should have straight grade - unless there is a massive scratch all the way around the edge! :D

  • jwittenjwitten Posts: 5,231 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ShadyDave said:

    I don't see anything that should warrant a "scratch" details grade for the $20. Can you post the cert# so we can see the full size pics?

  • SeattleSlammerSeattleSlammer Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My best guess on the scratch...but I agree with your “what!?” reaction.

  • CatbertCatbert Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @ReadyFireAim said:

    @jwitten said:
    So, my toner graded AU details, scratched. I'm really, really disappointed. I don't see any marks that would not be natural and normal for an AU graded coin. I've seen FAR worse scratches straight graded.

    I've seen "fab-5" saints straight grade MS with more wear.
    So far as the scratch goes...Have a look at this one ;)

    (MS64 Hansen)

    Oh you’re mistaken! That’s just a sash not to be confused with slash.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really like the coin and do not understand why it did not straight grade.

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