We are talking about something totally different.
A new way of appreciating saints.
It's easy to find a high grade 23-D
I have one (MS66+CAC) & jwitten's coin is very interesting.
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We are talking about something totally different.
A new way of appreciating saints.
It's easy to find a high grade 23-D
I have one (MS66+CAC) & jwitten's coin is very interesting.
The thread subject is toning so I posted a heavily toned saint and included the grade if anyone was interested in knowing. try to stay on topic please.
Check out this other Simpson MS65 pop 6/2
Looks like it got barbecued.
Also notice the machine doubling on top of the eagles head and under the neck.
(right click & open in new tab)
I don’t like look of it regardless of the holder. Nor would I spend the money crossing that coin just get what lol - same grade for something that trades around melt?
@Cougar1978 said:
I don’t like look of it regardless of the holder. Nor would I spend the money crossing that coin just get what lol - same grade for something that trades around melt?
I like it a lot. It has that crusty original toned look of an original Saint unlike the dipped out crap that you usually encounter in dealer inventories.
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@Cougar1978 said:
I don’t like look of it regardless of the holder. Nor would I spend the money crossing that coin just get what lol - same grade for something that trades around melt?
If you can find any other toned St Gaudens near melt that are a better date, let me know. Lol
I will wait for a few more guesses before the reveal. Most are in the 53-55 range. One altered surface guess (is that the same as artificial color, or something else?)
@jwitten said:
I will wait for a few more guesses before the reveal. Most are in the 53-55 range. One altered surface guess (is that the same as artificial color, or something else?)
Questionable color is separate from altered surfaces, which generally indicates putty, lacquer, etc.
@jwitten said:
(is that the same as artificial color, or something else?)
Altered surface is a catch-all & the least specific of the codes.
It could be natural toning or the result of iodine to enhance color.
It could also be a bad dip that left a residue or PVC haze.
Alt-Surf is reversible with a good dip.
My 1925 has Alt-Surf but it's straight graded. I like it very much and won't have it "fixed".
It's often possible to see through it at an angle but shows up strongly straight on.
I'm speaking specifically about gold.
This is my 25 that appears to me to have been "smoked"
Natural or not, I don't know.
It didn't CAC because I think JA is too lazy to look at it under a scope with fluorescent lighting to see its original surface is 100% there.
So, my toner graded AU details, scratched. I'm really, really disappointed. I don't see any marks that would not be natural and normal for an AU graded coin. I've seen FAR worse scratches straight graded.
For example, this toned Indian graded AU58. The mark on the obverse left is FAR bigger in relationship to the coin, and actually bigger in total size than any marks on the $20 they graded as "scratched". Frustrating to say the least. Anyone else see anything that warrants the scratched grade?
@jwitten said:
So, my toner graded AU details, scratched. I'm really, really disappointed. I don't see any marks that would not be natural and normal for an AU graded coin. I've seen FAR worse scratches straight graded.
I've seen "fab-5" saints straight grade MS with more wear.
So far as the scratch goes...Have a look at this one
(MS64 Hansen)
@jwitten said:
So, my toner graded AU details, scratched. I'm really, really disappointed. I don't see any marks that would not be natural and normal for an AU graded coin. I've seen FAR worse scratches straight graded.
I've seen "fab-5" saints straight grade MS with more wear.
So far as the scratch goes...Have a look at this one
(MS64 Hansen)
Yeah, that scratch is bigger and more distracting (in my opinion) than any marks on mine. Oh well. Will have to try again some day.
I suggest that you resubmit it for reconsideration. Not sure if that would be a waste of time though.
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@jwitten said:
For example, this toned Indian graded AU58. The mark on the obverse left is FAR bigger in relationship to the coin, and actually bigger in total size than any marks on the $20 they graded as "scratched". Frustrating to say the least. Anyone else see anything that warrants the scratched grade?
Yes, and if I'm not mistaken that was in an auction a few weeks/months ago on eBay. I definitely stayed on the sidelines due to the scratch on that coin. That is definitely worthy of a details "scratch" or "damage" grade.
I don't see anything that should warrant a "scratch" details grade for the $20. Can you post the cert# so we can see the full size pics?
All I saw were normal circulation dings and marks. That coin should have straight grade - unless there is a massive scratch all the way around the edge!
@jwitten said:
So, my toner graded AU details, scratched. I'm really, really disappointed. I don't see any marks that would not be natural and normal for an AU graded coin. I've seen FAR worse scratches straight graded.
I've seen "fab-5" saints straight grade MS with more wear.
So far as the scratch goes...Have a look at this one
(MS64 Hansen)
Oh you’re mistaken! That’s just a sash not to be confused with slash.
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here's one of mine.
It's PCGS65 green bean
We are talking about something totally different.
A new way of appreciating saints.
It's easy to find a high grade 23-D
I have one (MS66+CAC) & jwitten's coin is very interesting.
My Saint Set
@jwitten - Are you going to submit it to PCGS?
It looks like a super nice and special coin in the video.
Post the trueviews when it comes back from grading.
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CoinsAreFun Toned Silver Eagle Proof Album
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Gallery Mint Museum, Ron Landis& Joe Rust, The beginnings of the Golden Dollar
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More CoinsAreFun Pictorials NGC
Mailed it yesterday
Please let us know how they grade it.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
The thread subject is toning so I posted a heavily toned saint and included the grade if anyone was interested in knowing. try to stay on topic please.
This is pretty amazing, and excellent photo comparison. I have not seen any other gold like this.
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Don't think that's legit as the surface condition doesn't even look original.
Disagree! Circle gets the square.
Check out this other Simpson MS65 pop 6/2
Looks like it got barbecued.
Also notice the machine doubling on top of the eagles head and under the neck.
(right click & open in new tab)
My Saint Set
Grade and TrueView popped today. Do they change any opinions? Let me hear what you think.
Very pretty! I like it!
AU-55
I like her too..
She's definitely been around the block.
AU50
I’ll just say she is very nice and that I am not surprised that she straight graded. My guess is 55 with a shot at 58.
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I'll guess PCGS called it AU53.
I still don't think it is totally original, but I have seen a few other pieces in straight graded holders hence my AU53 guess.
A lot of the popular ones have been.
I'm going to go 94 Alt-Surf.
They have been killing me recently.
Very pretty though...I like it.
My Saint Set
55.
I don’t like look of it regardless of the holder. Nor would I spend the money crossing that coin just get what lol - same grade for something that trades around melt?
I like it a lot. It has that crusty original toned look of an original Saint unlike the dipped out crap that you usually encounter in dealer inventories.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
That is a desirable piece in PCGS plastic. My guess (and that's all it is really) is that she crossed at grade- 55.
If you can find any other toned St Gaudens near melt that are a better date, let me know. Lol
My valuation of it based on CDN.
My guess is 53. I can't join the desirable crowd.
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I will wait for a few more guesses before the reveal. Most are in the 53-55 range. One altered surface guess (is that the same as artificial color, or something else?)
Questionable color is separate from altered surfaces, which generally indicates putty, lacquer, etc.
Altered surface is a catch-all & the least specific of the codes.
It could be natural toning or the result of iodine to enhance color.
It could also be a bad dip that left a residue or PVC haze.
Alt-Surf is reversible with a good dip.
My 1925 has Alt-Surf but it's straight graded. I like it very much and won't have it "fixed".
It's often possible to see through it at an angle but shows up strongly straight on.
I'm speaking specifically about gold.
This is my 25 that appears to me to have been "smoked"
Natural or not, I don't know.
It didn't CAC because I think JA is too lazy to look at it under a scope with fluorescent lighting to see its original surface is 100% there.
My Saint Set
I'm going with 45. I love it.
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So, my toner graded AU details, scratched. I'm really, really disappointed. I don't see any marks that would not be natural and normal for an AU graded coin. I've seen FAR worse scratches straight graded.
58 and cool.
For example, this toned Indian graded AU58. The mark on the obverse left is FAR bigger in relationship to the coin, and actually bigger in total size than any marks on the $20 they graded as "scratched". Frustrating to say the least. Anyone else see anything that warrants the scratched grade?
I've seen "fab-5" saints straight grade MS with more wear.
So far as the scratch goes...Have a look at this one
(MS64 Hansen)
My Saint Set
Might be the scratch under TW on the reverse.
Yeah, that scratch is bigger and more distracting (in my opinion) than any marks on mine. Oh well. Will have to try again some day.
I suggest that you resubmit it for reconsideration. Not sure if that would be a waste of time though.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Scratched?? Unless I'm blind I only see what I'd consider to be "dings" consistent with bagging and circulation.
Great transactions with oih82w8, JasonGaming, Moose1913.
That is a really nice TrueView though.
My Saint Set
I completely disagree with the scratched details grade. None of the dings appear big enough to warrant it, plus they are toned over.
Time to play the game, another grading fee, handling fee.
Good luck
Yes, and if I'm not mistaken that was in an auction a few weeks/months ago on eBay. I definitely stayed on the sidelines due to the scratch on that coin. That is definitely worthy of a details "scratch" or "damage" grade.
I don't see anything that should warrant a "scratch" details grade for the $20. Can you post the cert# so we can see the full size pics?
All I saw were normal circulation dings and marks. That coin should have straight grade - unless there is a massive scratch all the way around the edge!
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My best guess on the scratch...but I agree with your “what!?” reaction.
Oh you’re mistaken! That’s just a sash not to be confused with slash.
"Got a flaming heart, can't get my fill"
I really like the coin and do not understand why it did not straight grade.