Question for you PCGS crossover guys/gals

Dave99B · September 23, 2020 2:31PM

I sent a single expensive coin to PCGS for crossover consideration (crossing from NGC). I indicated the minimum grade to cross at. After a day or two in the ‘grading’ stage, I now see that it’s in the ‘Encapsulation’ stage. Would this imply it’s crossed, or am I reading way too much into the Online Submission statuses?

Thanks, Dave

DelawareDoons · September 23, 2020 2:35PM

You are reading too much into it. Do not get your hopes up until you see the grades post and it says something besides "DNC"

clarkbar04 · September 23, 2020 2:42PM

What @DelawareDoons said; It implies that you are close to getting your answer, and nothing else.

Dave99B · September 23, 2020 2:47PM

Thanks all, I figured I was jumping the gun just a tad.

Dave

cardinal · September 23, 2020 2:56PM

I have had a number of submissions where it gets to the encapsulation, just to see that the coin was rejected. At the encapsulation stage, it gets another lookover to see if their opinions are the final opinions.

When I have submissions of multiple crossovers, I have situations where they get to encapsulation and some of the coins cross and others get rejected.

Boosibri · September 23, 2020 3:04PM

Agree with others, nothing to confirm a crossover

mbogoman · September 23, 2020 6:28PM

My most recent crossover attempt went through the same. Ultimately, DNC, so it means nothing to get to the encapsulation stage, other than it is moving along through the process...

jt88 · September 23, 2020 6:29PM

If you see “being imaged” that might give you better hope.

jt88 · September 23, 2020 10:34PM

“being imaged” I think is a key indication. I also had a cross over order in encapsulation right now but not “being imaged” which is not good. I remember last week I also has a order in encapsulation but was being imaged. So all of them crossed.

ReadyFireAim · September 24, 2020 4:00AM

@jt88 said:
If you see “being imaged” that might give you better hope.

I had a crack-out PCGS MS64 that was being imaged for several days, it came back in a flip 94 Alt-Surf.

Dave99B · September 28, 2020 12:48PM

Getting there...’being imaged’. Hmmmmmmmm.....

Dave

TurtleCat · September 28, 2020 1:46PM

“Being imaged” has always shown up as soon as my orders reached grading status. I think it’s simply an indicator that they will be imaged during the process.

Goldminers · September 28, 2020 2:05PM

Until you see "grades ready" in green, it is not final.

jt88 · September 28, 2020 8:33PM

I think raw and cross “being imaged” are two different thing. Yes, for raw when in grading “being imaged” show up. My cross is in quality check then “being imaged” just show up, Very promising, haha Lol

lkeigwin · September 28, 2020 9:32PM

Phil Arnold, the PCGS photographer, says that while imaging can come before or after grading (depending on the flow of product) it typically it occurs before the coins are graded. Crossover imaging, of course, happens after grading.

I think you're solid.
Lance.

jt88 · September 28, 2020 10:00PM

@lkeigwin said:
Phil Arnold, the PCGS photographer, says that while imaging can come before or after grading (depending on the flow of product) it typically it occurs before the coins are graded. Crossover imaging, of course, happens after grading.

I think you're solid.
Lance.

Thank you very much.

Morpheus1967 · September 29, 2020 3:16AM

I'm in the same boat as you, OP. I sent in 4 coins for crossover from NGC. They sped through the system until they hit encapsulation, where they sat for 15 working days. Now, they have been in QA for two days, the second of which now shows "Being Imaged".

That being said, does anyone know when the grades actually post?

ReadyFireAim · September 29, 2020 6:46AM

Here's one I just got back.
My question is how could they regrade it without taking it out of the holder?
(Check the rim)

And why does my new TrueView have the old gasket on it?

Cougar1978 · September 29, 2020 7:14AM

The cross / crackout game is risky, costs $. Would rather buy a coin / markup for retail. It’s my money on the line.

I rarely play it and only then to win (upgrade) showing minimum grade on form. I feel it’s a moot issue for coins less than say $600. Most of my slabbed coins Pcgs,followed by NGC and then some ANACS and ICG (Fairly low MV $25-$200 on A,I matl) the 4 TPG accepted by eBay, the old TTR, GC. I price the coin not the holder. There are probably people just trying to cross at same grade bc bluesheet bid for Pcgs higher than NGC for that issue /grade (and can see that). I have nothing in that situation or material enough justify expense. I do prefer PCGS and love the phone app for inventory mgt and analysis.

Catbert · September 29, 2020 7:23AM

@Cougar1978 said:
The cross / crackout game is risky, costs $. Would rather buy a coin / markup for retail.

I rarely play it and only then to win (upgrade) showing minimum grade on form. I feel it’s a moot issue for coins less than say $600. Most of my slabbed coins Pcgs,followed by NGC and then some ANACS and ICG (Fairly low MV $25-$200 on A,I matl) the 4 TPG accepted by eBay, the old TTR, GC. I price the coin not the holder. There are probably people just trying to cross at same grade bc bluesheet bid for Pcgs higher than NGC for that issue /grade (and can see that). I have nothing in that situation or material enough justify expense. I do prefer PCGS and love the phone app for inventory mgt and analysis.

Your post is irrelevant to the thread.

Morpheus1967 · September 29, 2020 8:58AM

@Cougar1978 said:
The cross / crackout game is risky, costs $. Would rather buy a coin / markup for retail. It’s my money on the line.

I rarely play it and only then to win (upgrade) showing minimum grade on form. I feel it’s a moot issue for coins less than say $600. Most of my slabbed coins Pcgs,followed by NGC and then some ANACS and ICG (Fairly low MV $25-$200 on A,I matl) the 4 TPG accepted by eBay, the old TTR, GC. I price the coin not the holder. There are probably people just trying to cross at same grade bc bluesheet bid for Pcgs higher than NGC for that issue /grade (and can see that). I have nothing in that situation or material enough justify expense. I do prefer PCGS and love the phone app for inventory mgt and analysis.

In my case, I just need it to cross at the same grade. Nothing higher. The coin in it's current holder goes for X amount of dollars. The exact same coin in a PCGS holder, for the exact same grade, goes for 9 or 10 times X. So it was a risk I was willing ot take, and why I am anxious to see grades. (Plus the fact that it is my first PCGS submission, and I am learning the process/timelines as I go.)

Dave99B · September 29, 2020 9:48AM

After three days sitting in ‘Being imaged’, it showed ‘Grades posted’ today. It crossed at VF20. It’s what I expected, although I felt it had a slight chance at 25. I’m more than happy with the 20.

Received by PCGS on Monday 9/21, grade posted 8 days later. Excellent service!

Dave

Cougar1978 · September 29, 2020 9:55PM

@Catbert said:

@Cougar1978 said:
The cross / crackout game is risky, costs $. Would rather buy a coin / markup for retail.

I rarely play it and only then to win (upgrade) showing minimum grade on form. I feel it’s a moot issue for coins less than say $600. Most of my slabbed coins Pcgs,followed by NGC and then some ANACS and ICG (Fairly low MV $25-$200 on A,I matl) the 4 TPG accepted by eBay, the old TTR, GC. I price the coin not the holder. There are probably people just trying to cross at same grade bc bluesheet bid for Pcgs higher than NGC for that issue /grade (and can see that). I have nothing in that situation or material enough justify expense. I do prefer PCGS and love the phone app for inventory mgt and analysis.

Your post is irrelevant to the thread.

Well your no fun - your definitely off topic lol.

jedm · September 30, 2020 9:00AM

Great news! I hope we see it here or in the MFH Barber thread.

jt88 · September 30, 2020 9:37AM

My grade just came out. submitted three; one crossed and two DNC.

jt88 · September 30, 2020 12:23PM

What DNC exactly mean? Any one got DNC cross by some more try? In the past I try to resubmit some other reasons and successfully crossed by second or third submissions. I know questionable color is hard to get crossed even if you try more if NGC has a grade on the coin.

bearcave · September 30, 2020 12:32PM

@jt88 HUH?

mothra454 · September 30, 2020 12:34PM

Hey OP we better see some TVs after all this build up!

jabba · October 1, 2020 7:20AM

I wouldn’t pay to much attention to the tracker bar I’ve had them at QC then go all the way back to grading I’ve learned just to be patient and wait for the email that grades are ready

Dan50 · October 2, 2020 9:34PM

Can't wait Can't wait, I just have to look it up, I just have toooooooo!

Dave99B · October 6, 2020 11:31AM

Entombed forever with our hosts. VF20.

Dave

ShadyDave · October 6, 2020 1:25PM

@jt88 said:
What DNC exactly mean?

"Did not crossover" as in rejected.

@Dave99B Nice barber!

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