Ok, another AT or NT

bsshog40 · August 20, 2020 4:06PM

This one has a different story. I'll tell later. Any guesses?

abcde12345 · August 20, 2020 4:16PM

I am not happy with the toning. Those 'neon' blues along with purple frighten me a bit.
Although with silver eagles it's a toss up whether the toning is natural vs accelerated.

Does NGC still not recognize any toning on silver eagles as being NT?

ike126 · August 20, 2020 4:44PM

Silver eagles also tone differently because there 99% not 90% ive seen hundreds grade like this AT and NT.

CoinJunkie · August 20, 2020 4:46PM

I could believe NT on that coin, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

Jimnight · August 20, 2020 5:56PM

I just can't tell

tincup · August 20, 2020 5:58PM

I say AT.

colorcommem · August 20, 2020 6:01PM

AT but market acceptable is my guess.

crazyhounddog · August 20, 2020 6:03PM

@Jimnight said:
I just can't tell

I've gotta say I'm with you on that count buddy. I've seen so many wild examples of toned ASE's it makes my head swim. With that said it can go either way and I wouldn't be surprised.

Coinscratch · August 20, 2020 6:20PM

Obverse looks AT and Reverse looks NT so I’m gonna say both but i’m not sure which one came first.
Probably NT first then AT.

cameonut2011 · August 20, 2020 6:26PM

AT but I've seen a few similar looking ones from when PCGS went through a loose period (and I'm not talking about the ex PCI target toners). I don't think PCGS would grade it today.

bsshog40 · August 20, 2020 7:13PM

I had this in one of those brown envelopes in my desk back in 2015. I got laid off from the oilfield that same year and we wound up having to sell our house. Everything was boxed up and put into storage until I got my job back and we moved here to W. Tx. in 2017. We got a house in July of 2017 and slowly started unpacking stuff. I eventually found this SAE in it's envelope in 2018 and and not long after that, took these pics. I did keep it out and put it in my Dansco.

ShaunBC5 · August 20, 2020 7:20PM

So now I know the story and I still don’t know the answer. That sounds like a natural process to me, buuuuut....I don’t know.

Bochiman · August 20, 2020 7:21PM

I've seen them tone similar to that, and those colors, from being in those cardboard "Happy Anniversary (Birthday/it's a boy/girl/etc)" holders.

I'm going with NT but who knows what the TPGS would say.....?

cameonut2011 · August 20, 2020 7:35PM

@bsshog40 said:
I had this in one of those brown envelopes in my desk back in 2015. I got laid off from the oilfield that same year and we wound up having to sell our house. Everything was boxed up and put into storage until I got my job back and we moved here to W. Tx. in 2017. We got a house in July of 2017 and slowly started unpacking stuff. I eventually found this SAE in it's envelope in 2018 and and not long after that, took these pics. I did keep it out and put it in my Dansco.

Was it originally white when you placed it in the envelope?

Bochiman · August 20, 2020 7:42PM

@cameonut2011 said:

@bsshog40 said:
I had this in one of those brown envelopes in my desk back in 2015. I got laid off from the oilfield that same year and we wound up having to sell our house. Everything was boxed up and put into storage until I got my job back and we moved here to W. Tx. in 2017. We got a house in July of 2017 and slowly started unpacking stuff. I eventually found this SAE in it's envelope in 2018 and and not long after that, took these pics. I did keep it out and put it in my Dansco.

Was it originally white when you placed it in the envelope?

I've seen originally white, put into the cardboard holders I described, and then put out on display, tone VERY similar to that ....nothing else was done/introduced into the environment. Just the holder and air (and whatever sunlight/humidity anyone in the house lived with naturally as well)

bsshog40 · August 20, 2020 7:44PM

@cameonut2011 said:

@bsshog40 said:
I had this in one of those brown envelopes in my desk back in 2015. I got laid off from the oilfield that same year and we wound up having to sell our house. Everything was boxed up and put into storage until I got my job back and we moved here to W. Tx. in 2017. We got a house in July of 2017 and slowly started unpacking stuff. I eventually found this SAE in it's envelope in 2018 and and not long after that, took these pics. I did keep it out and put it in my Dansco.

Was it originally white when you placed it in the envelope?

Yes

cameonut2011 · August 20, 2020 7:46PM

@bsshog40 said:

@cameonut2011 said:

@bsshog40 said:
I had this in one of those brown envelopes in my desk back in 2015. I got laid off from the oilfield that same year and we wound up having to sell our house. Everything was boxed up and put into storage until I got my job back and we moved here to W. Tx. in 2017. We got a house in July of 2017 and slowly started unpacking stuff. I eventually found this SAE in it's envelope in 2018 and and not long after that, took these pics. I did keep it out and put it in my Dansco.

Was it originally white when you placed it in the envelope?

Yes

Interesting. That shade of blue and purple isn't something I would usually expect without assistance. Thinking of submitting it?

lkeigwin · August 20, 2020 8:06PM

I'm doing something wrong.
Lance.

bsshog40 · August 20, 2020 8:08PM

@cameonut2011 said:
Interesting. That shade of blue and purple isn't something I would usually expect without assistance. Thinking of submitting it?

No I have no intentions of that. Here's a quick pic with my phone I just took. The blues haves taken over more in the last 2 years. I was actually hoping it would stop turning when I put it in my Dansco. Guess not.

Kccoin · August 20, 2020 8:25PM

accelerated toning

Bochiman · August 20, 2020 8:38PM

@Kccoin said:
accelerated toning

Nope....just a very reactive "pure" silver coin, as opposed to most people being used to 90% silver coins and the toning on them.

The environment these are stored in, and exposed to air/humidity, really makes a difference...and the colors on the storage matters to (ie....the cardboard holders that have more of a blue or more of another color, close to the coin, will matter).

BLUEJAYWAY · August 20, 2020 9:28PM

Maybe the reverse will "catch up" to the obverse.

Kccoin · August 20, 2020 9:34PM

you have a good point about the purity @Bochiman . And who knows how the OP coin became that way.

Bochiman · August 20, 2020 11:57PM

@BLUEJAYWAY said:
Maybe the reverse will "catch up" to the obverse.

I've had these and it will, if it is flipped over and left in the same type of storage environment.

Zoins · August 21, 2020 1:08AM

@lkeigwin said:
I'm doing something wrong.
Lance.

I'm doing even worse. Mine are still white!

What are you doing?

Zoins · August 21, 2020 1:09AM

@bsshog40 said:

@cameonut2011 said:
Interesting. That shade of blue and purple isn't something I would usually expect without assistance. Thinking of submitting it?

No I have no intentions of that. Here's a quick pic with my phone I just took. The blues haves taken over more in the last 2 years. I was actually hoping it would stop turning when I put it in my Dansco. Guess not.

Did you neutralize it before putting it in the Dansco?

DoubleEagle59 · August 21, 2020 5:18AM

NT or AT who's to say?

But OMG, that should not be judged as market acceptable.

bsshog40 · August 21, 2020 5:40AM

@Zoins said:

@bsshog40 said:

@cameonut2011 said:
Interesting. That shade of blue and purple isn't something I would usually expect without assistance. Thinking of submitting it?

No I have no intentions of that. Here's a quick pic with my phone I just took. The blues haves taken over more in the last 2 years. I was actually hoping it would stop turning when I put it in my Dansco. Guess not.

Did you neutralize it before putting it in the Dansco?

Nah, and not really worried about it.

ricko · August 21, 2020 5:56AM

@lkeigwin .... Lance, now that is a unique ASE.... I have never seen one tarnish like that... Cheers, RickO

bsshog40 · August 21, 2020 6:46AM

@lkeigwin said:
I'm doing something wrong.
Lance.

I have this one that's been sitting in a flip for a few years now Lance that looks almost like yours. These things tone really weird sometimes.

ChrisH821 · August 21, 2020 7:00AM

IMO unattractive so it doesn't really matter

Boosibri · August 21, 2020 7:03AM

AT

metalmeister · August 21, 2020 7:24AM

Pure Silver is very reactive. That one was "helped" along.

vplite99 · August 21, 2020 8:58AM

That's a lot of tarnish for 7 years. AT.

Smudge · August 21, 2020 9:43AM

For comparison;

Bochiman · August 21, 2020 10:43AM

Open the plastic lid and let it sit stored.
Use a colored version of one of those and don't close the plastic lid.

Either choice will show you a toning progression starting in less than 6 months and it will progress somewhat rapidly in comparison. Don't change anything else but those things I list.

Smudge · August 21, 2020 10:55AM

I will just leave it alone. It’s only bullion anyway.

bsshog40 · August 21, 2020 11:24AM

cameonut2011 · August 21, 2020 11:40AM

@bsshog40 said:

If you can get this in a straight graded holder and if the coin lacks sentimental value, you could probably get a very nice premium for it. It looks more attractive than it initially did. There is a die hard niche of collectors of toned ASEs out there.

Ok, another AT or NT

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