Copper spot on gold .......is it still attractive to you ?

bidask · July 18, 2020 12:38PM

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TwoKopeiki · July 18, 2020 12:58PM

You sure thats a copper spot? In any case, detracts quite a lot in this case.

bidask · July 18, 2020 1:25PM

@TwoKopeiki said:
You sure thats a copper spot? In any case, detracts quite a lot in this case.

@TwoKopeiki said:
You sure thats a copper spot? In any case, detracts quite a lot in this case.

What else might it be ?

FilamCoins · July 18, 2020 6:23PM

Not attractive. I wouldn't add to collection unless rare date/grade and no better pieces available. Eye appeal is tops in my book.

mkman123 · July 18, 2020 9:13PM

yuck, too distracting

Namvet69 · July 19, 2020 3:04AM

Wonder if that thing was there when graded and slabbed? Or has it grown since. Unfortunate. Peace Roy

Boosibri · July 19, 2020 5:13AM

Usually copper spot are acceptable to me. Not feeling that spot though.

7Jaguars · July 19, 2020 9:39AM

They likewise usually do not scare me - the red ones are usually relatively easily removed. This looks to be the type where copper alloy is concentrated and then severely oxidized & likely not curable. Not acceptable IMO as it is tho - knock it down to bullion...

golden · July 19, 2020 10:52AM

Not a coin that I would want.

coinpalice · July 19, 2020 11:10AM

going to take a hit on that one once it's time to sell

Timbuk3 · July 19, 2020 11:32PM

I don't like copper spots, it's only bullion to me !!! 😖

Stork · July 20, 2020 3:08PM

Small and unobtrusive, can be fine. But not like that one. edited to add: I REALLY would not like the OP coin! JMO and of course everyone has differing opinions and tolerances, but that one is just too much for me./end edit.

And, I don't like this one either. Much as I like Zog, not with the pox, even in an otherwise high graded piece. Too distracting (I have some with tiny spots that I can barely see, so that's okay). This is an auction photo of a coin I did NOT buy.

7Jaguars · July 20, 2020 4:23PM

Stork, if it was not too much money bottom line or if it went for super low, I'd readily take my chances with that particular coin - those are the type of red spots that are relatively easily treated.

Stork · July 20, 2020 4:56PM

@7Jaguars said:
Stork, if it was not too much money bottom line or if it went for super low, I'd readily take my chances with that particular coin - those are the type of red spots that are relatively easily treated.

I have wondered. It wasn't worth the price when I didn't have a solid knowledge about it. I don't have the cert number (it was in PCGS plastic) to know if it had turned in the slab. NGC or PCGS conservation I presume? Seems like it would be worth fixing before selling, but then maybe it was a quick sale or something. In a European auction IIRC. Fortunately I do have one already.

7Jaguars · July 20, 2020 8:45PM

Oh, OK. This is one of the sort that have responded to mild electrolysis.
But you have your bases covered. LOL.

DeutscherGeist · July 21, 2020 2:58AM

How would electrolysis be done? Is it inside of the sonic cleaner?

7Jaguars · July 21, 2020 4:44AM

Hi there.
I have posted with pictures on Cointalk if you look it up and even some here. This is NOT an acid burn of the surface of the coin and does NOT represent the risk of heating the coin or putting a burner to it. There is no corrosion.

Basically, it can be done in many ways but my simple (and cheap version):

supplies -

porcelain cereal bowl, 8-12 oz size but just average size ok
tap water, distilled if you can (not necessary)
aluminum foil, 3x3 or 4x4 rough size is fine (not having to be exact)
baking soda, about one heaping teaspoon

procedure -

water filling bowl about 2/3
microwave bowl with water, I just put in on hi for two minutes (basically boil it)
then put aluminum foil into water
coin on top of middle of aluminum foil
add baking soda, I just sprinkle it all in around outside perimeter of coin (this probably doesn't matter, but just being safe)

then I let it sit for about 45 seconds (you can experiment with the time facto)

pull coin out by edges
rinse liberally off in cold water, tap water is ok but distilled if you have it (I just use tap)
tamp dry with high nap white cotton towel - NO RUBBING

inspect coin, possibly repeat procedure as there is no harm in it.

I tried using a battery to accelerate the process but this may NOT be safe for other than gold and do not recommend it without a lot of experimentation.

Stork · July 21, 2020 5:07AM

Ah, I remember that thread now. (I am getting old, in fact I may have put this coin up there too).

Beyond my skill set, and I'd want to practice on less valuable stuff first! This is good for the ~90% vs. 99%? I'm going to go hunt that thread down. It had totally and utterly escaped my memory! And I'm pretty sure I posted on it.

Shoot I was reading a (non-coin) facebook post recently and started to like someone's comment and realized it was my own--it was a year old thread Apparently I had made a perfect comment!

edited to add: HOLY COW that thread was only in April. What the heck is wrong with me??? I've not been looking at coins or my coin boards in a little while, but it's like my brain turned to mush. And yes, poxy Zog was put up on that thread.

edited a second time: I think I stopped reading that thread as there are posts I didn't 'like' that I should have (and don't remember even after seeing)...I started liking them now! Oh, and @7Jaguars GO BEARS (that I did remember!). And if you had asked me I would have said that thread was 3 years old, not 3 months!

7Jaguars · July 21, 2020 10:20AM

LOL, I am totally with you. I have to guess nowadays how long ago something occurred!
The method works on 90% (0.900 fine) gold and best on the .999. I have by memory (!) done this on lesser fine gold coins.
Beware of redox reactions with use of battery powered on silver coins: works on some, doesn't on others and haven't fooled with silver for 5 or 6 years (I think!).

I would say, GO CARDINAL! However, I strongly dislike the football and current basketball programs, and want the coaches sacked yesterday....

bidask · August 28, 2021 6:35PM

Sold ANA Heritage auction $5500 ...it was a top pop!

pruebas · August 28, 2021 6:44PM

Congratulations. Let’s hope you don’t get it back.

doubleeagle07 · August 29, 2021 5:16PM

I don't really think it detracts too much on this little fella. I almost returned it to APMEX cause of the copper spot. I heard you can take a pencil eraser and rub it over the spots to get rid of em but I wouldn't take the risk.

7Jaguars · August 29, 2021 9:01PM

I did a thing on this on cointalk. It will come off easy with electrolyte trick - the aluminum foil, boiled hot water and baking soda, etc.
No secret to it, it works.

tcollects · August 31, 2021 9:17PM

reminds me of the mole scene in Uncle Buck

TheGoonies1985 · August 31, 2021 10:05PM

No I would pass on that coin.

291fifth · September 1, 2021 7:10AM

PASS!

pcgscacgold · September 1, 2021 7:26AM

I stay away from gold with copper spotting. Just not something that I find attractive.

coinkat · September 2, 2021 9:28AM

I suppose there is no need to call a press conference to announce that there is a need to announce the need for a press conference to address this issue associated with the OP

7Jaguars · September 2, 2021 11:46AM

LOL.
Well, I can virtually guarantee this would "clean up", or be restored by the above methods...esp. a ".9999" fine coin. Do I get a reward?

TheGoonies1985 · September 3, 2021 11:31AM

Could it be possible it is a fake gold platted coin? I ask since I have never seen a gold coin with that type of issue.

coinkat · September 3, 2021 12:23PM

There are no rewards other than the satisfaction that another numismatist or the numismatic community in general received the benefit of your knowledge... not a bad standard to strive for in an effort to achieve excellence.

If that does not pass the straight face test, it is okay to follow other means as expressed in certain films that remain unidentified in this thread that remain cult classics.

7Jaguars · September 3, 2021 5:48PM

Happens frequently in fact and even on 0.999 coins. IMO most certainly not a counterfeit.

7Jaguars · September 3, 2021 5:56PM

Just one example of cleaning of red spot with the electrolysis described above...

Copper spot on gold .......is it still attractive to you ?

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