Moffat $5 NEWP

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ranshdow
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edited June 18, 2020 12:50PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Picked this up at auction from GreatCollections a week ago and just got it this afternoon. This piece in hand exceeds all my expectations. Surfaces are excellent, the dirt does not look doctored and the eye appeal is fantastic. This is my first Private / Territorial piece and it probably won't be my last!

Photo courtesy of GreatCollections

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  • Justacommeman
    Justacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Congrats! Great series

    mark

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  • johnny9434
    johnny9434 Posts: 34,088 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice I like

  • jwitten
    jwitten Posts: 5,421 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very nice!

  • golden
    golden Posts: 10,536 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice. I have always wanted an 1849 Moffat $5.

  • Jimnight
    Jimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice!

  • ricko
    ricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very nice and very special coin.....sounds as if you may be doing a set....Good luck, Cheers, RickO

  • BloodMan
    BloodMan Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Love it. Congratulations!

  • ranshdow
    ranshdow Posts: 1,449 ✭✭✭✭
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    @ricko said:
    Very nice and very special coin.....sounds as if you may be doing a set....Good luck, Cheers, RickO

    I have a set of SF $5's and the Private Cal gold preceding 1854 is a nice complement to that set, along with some of the other foreign gold that circulated contemporaneously.

  • Boosibri
    Boosibri Posts: 12,718 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Congrats, looks nice!

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  • Justacommeman
    Justacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 18, 2020 2:38PM
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    Territorial Gold.

    Great history/ Gold Rush in the south and west where private minters provided a service where Federal coinage was almost non existent. Private minters stepped up when the Gov refused to.

    One of the most monkeyed with series. So many examples have been ruined by trying to be enhanced.

    Grading is all over the place. Inconsistent. It’s been said only two people really know how to grade these pieces and neither one works for a grading service. So collecting this series is akin to the Wild West

    You can’t get more Americana them then Territorials

    mark

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  • NumisOxide
    NumisOxide Posts: 11,048 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nice territorial piece!

  • Smudge
    Smudge Posts: 10,001 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very nice. Congrats.

  • mvs7
    mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    That looks great... congrats!

  • Pickwickjr
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  • Kliao
    Kliao Posts: 5,802 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Very neat coin!

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  • Weiss
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    We really need a ❤ or "love" option. That's awesome.

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  • REALGATOR
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    Looks like a perfect XF example. That's says a lot when it comes to the Private/Territorial gold.

  • ranshdow
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    @REALGATOR said:
    Looks like a perfect XF example. That's says a lot when it comes to the Private/Territorial gold.

    It helps a lot to have looked at a fair amount of gold from this era, both CAC and not-CAC. This one has surfaces and coloration very similar to coins in my collection that are CAC approved. It is hard to see that texture in these photos.

    It's in XF45 OGH plastic. If anything, it might be XF40, but that would be a conservative grade, and I don't really know if Private gold coins like this are graded on a curve. The surfaces, as some say, are 'all there'.

  • tommy44
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    I like it a lot. Congratulations! It would fit perfectly in the 1850 hole in my $5 Liberty set. :)

    it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide

  • CaptHenway
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    That is an excellent piece!

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  • LanceNewmanOCC
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    @ranshdow said:
    This is my first Private / Territorial piece and it probably won't be my last!
    Photo courtesy of GreatCollections

    nice coin and image!

    do you have any reading materials about their mints or plants? or are you like me, just enjoy them for what they are?

    hope you post the others you may pickup.

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  • ranshdow
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    @LanceNewmanOCC said:

    do you have any reading materials about their mints or plants? or are you like me, just enjoy them for what they are?

    I've got Dr. Kagin's book as a main source. Karl Moulton's book on The Franklin Hoard talks a lot about early auction appearances of Private/Territorial coins and ingots as well, to give context as to what's been around a long time and what items showed up for the first time in the 50's.

    hope you post the others you may pickup.

    I will! Though these things are expensive and nice ones as scarce as hen's teeth, so it could be a while.

  • asheland
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    That's awesome!

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  • skier07
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    @Justacommeman said:
    Territorial Gold.

    Grading is all over the place. Inconsistent. It’s been said only two people really know how to grade these pieces and neither one works for a grading service. So collecting this series is akin to the Wild West

    You can’t get more Americana them then Territorials

    mark

    I think we both heard that from the same person. And those two people don’t work at CAC either.

  • Justacommeman
    Justacommeman Posts: 22,852 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 19, 2020 2:38PM
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    @skier07 said:

    @Justacommeman said:
    Territorial Gold.

    Grading is all over the place. Inconsistent. It’s been said only two people really know how to grade these pieces and neither one works for a grading service. So collecting this series is akin to the Wild West

    You can’t get more Americana them then Territorials

    mark

    I think we both heard that from the same person. And those two people don’t work at CAC either.

    True on the numerical grade but the one thing you get from JA when that gold piece is stickered that it hasn’t been monkeyed with. He’s seen everything. It’s why his opinion on gold means a lot to me anyways

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  • Timbuk3
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    Very nice, congratulations !!! :)

    Timbuk3
  • CWT1863
    CWT1863 Posts: 316 ✭✭✭✭
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    Congrats! The territorial series has always been a favorite of mine.

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  • steveben
    steveben Posts: 4,666 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    i was an underbidder (maybe the first, not sure) but that tells you how much i like it. congrats!

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