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What is it most beginner collectors believe yet you as a seasoned collector know simply isn't true?

abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

For example, I remember starting out and thinking the older a coin is the "better" it was in terms of value and desirability. What are some of "truths" you know to be actually false?

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  • MFeldMFeld Posts: 14,928 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Cleaning coins is a good thing.
    Proof coins haven’t been touched by human hands.
    Various relatively common coins (such as 1909-S VDB cents) are rare.
    That apparent bargains are actually bargains.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

  • Tom147Tom147 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭

    " That's a BU coin !!! "

  • rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Rare and valuable coins are commonly found in pocket change.... I wish... ;) Cheers, RickO

  • StellaStella Posts: 720 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I agree with @291fifth . Many beginning collectors see things as more of an investment at first, only to be disappointed later.

    Also, wait for the right coin to come along. Sometimes it is better to not purchase something for a while than buy a coin that you don't really love.

    Coin collector since childhood and New York Numismatist at Heritage Auctions.
  • DoubleEagle59DoubleEagle59 Posts: 8,379 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That the coin they possess is a rare variety worth thousands of dollars but in fact is a common, low grade coin full of dents and corrosion.

    "Gold is money, and nothing else" (JP Morgan, 1912)

    "“Those who sacrifice liberty for security/safety deserve neither.“(Benjamin Franklin)

    "I only golf on days that end in 'Y'" (DE59)
  • mcarney1173mcarney1173 Posts: 927 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Doubled die = double struck

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    New collectors think tarnish on a coin is a bad thing. ;)

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • LJenkins11LJenkins11 Posts: 816 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Modern labelmania equals rare modern coins.

  • No HeadlightsNo Headlights Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A 1909-SVDB cent is rare

  • 291fifth291fifth Posts: 24,707 ✭✭✭✭✭

    All 1893-S and CC Morgan Dollars offered in online auctions are genuine coins.

    All glory is fleeting.
  • privatecoinprivatecoin Posts: 3,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That the dollar is not backed by gold and modern coins are not silver.

    Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc

  • VeepVeep Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭✭

    Silver certificates and "Red Seal" notes are special.

    "Let me tell ya Bud, you can buy junk anytime!"
  • ctf_error_coinsctf_error_coins Posts: 15,433 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Stella said:
    I agree with @291fifth . Many beginning collectors see things as more of an investment at first, only to be disappointed later.

    Also, wait for the right coin to come along. Sometimes it is better to not purchase something for a while than buy a coin that you don't really love.

    I am opposite as ussual.

    I collected first because I love coins.

    I sold some of what I bought and found that coins are a great investment :o

    So I went all in :)

  • MilesWaitsMilesWaits Posts: 5,432 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That bullion isn’t the best play for coin and PM.

    Now riding the swell in PM's and surf.
  • SmudgeSmudge Posts: 9,823 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If someone had a coin certified it must be valuable.

  • SonorandesertratSonorandesertrat Posts: 5,695 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2020 8:06AM

    Higher grade means more eye appeal.

    Grading is an objective process.

    One can become proficient in grading by diligently studying images of coins in grading books or on the internet.

    Proof and proof-like coins are made using the same mint procedures.

    Using a magnifier is an absolute must when grading, and higher magnification helps even more.

    Dipping will always remove unwanted toning.

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  • JeffersonFrogJeffersonFrog Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭✭✭

    They can walk into a coin shop and get Red Book (or Price Guide or ...) price for their coin(s).

    If we were all the same, the world would be an incredibly boring place.

    Tommy

  • BuffaloIronTailBuffaloIronTail Posts: 7,549 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @DoubleEagle59 said:
    That the coin they possess is a rare variety worth thousands of dollars but in fact is a common, low grade coin full of dents and corrosion.

    This is probably the top thing, IMHOP.

    We get more of these type threads than probably any other.

    Anybody got a Double Die?

    Pete

    "I tell them there's no problems.....only solutions" - John Lennon
  • BillJonesBillJones Posts: 34,842 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 16, 2020 3:17AM

    Mint errors are easy to find ... Lots of them are found in parking lots.

    Mint errors are very popular and seasoned collectors will pay lots of money for them.

    Retired dealer and avid collector of U.S. type coins, 19th century presidential campaign medalets and selected medals. In recent years I have been working on a set of British coins - at least one coin from each king or queen who issued pieces that are collectible. I am also collecting at least one coin for each Roman emperor from Julius Caesar to ... ?
  • AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2020 10:47AM

    @Stella said:
    Also, wait for the right coin to come along. Sometimes it is better to not purchase something for a while than buy a coin that you don't really love.

    This has never been more true for me. I've started to refrain and dial it back a little bit. The last three "well, I don't need or want it, but could use it and the price is good" purchases left me very unsatisfied. The money wasn't good enough either so it kinda just wasted my time all around.

    There is a $70 difference between these two coins. This is why being patient is worth it, for me, anyway.


  • CoinHoarderCoinHoarder Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭✭✭

    "Cleaning a coin will make it look better."

    When I first started collecting coins, I would clean some of them with pencil erasers and baking soda.

    I still have a mercury dime that I cleaned in the 1960s that still hasn't re-toned!

    Beginning Collectors: Never clean your coins!

  • johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 29,280 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Most don't want to hear to take the cotton out of your ears and put it your mouth

  • isaiah58isaiah58 Posts: 385 ✭✭✭

    @MilesWaits said:
    That bullion isn’t the best play for coin and PM.

    I've shared this here and other places. This of course depends a lot on a person's age. It was not generally promoted, when I became interested, to invest PM based coins as wealth preservation.

    In general, one could have purchased gold for under $300 an ounce in the late 70s. I am not sure what actual Double Eagles sold for though.

    Morgan Dollars were very popular then, most coin shops could not have enough Morgan collections or individual pieces on display. Did they appreciate enough in value to be considered an investment?

    Personally, I believe you have to always disassociate investing from collecting. Investing should be objective. Collecting is emotional and always subjective.

  • OKbustchaserOKbustchaser Posts: 5,548 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That coin prices are a one way street...up, up, and up. Therefore anyone can make money collecting coins.

    Just because I'm old doesn't mean I don't love to look at a pretty bust.
  • oldUScoinsoldUScoins Posts: 243 ✭✭✭✭

    Buying a coin for a lot less than the red book value and thinking you've made a GREAT buy.
    Only to find out later what the word "Details" on the grade means.

  • abcde12345abcde12345 Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Some of what beginner collectors believe reminds me of this:

    "There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists." -Yosemite Park Ranger on why it's hard to design a bear-proof garbage can.

  • CommencentsCommencents Posts: 349 ✭✭✭

    Coin stores are the only place to buy coins.

  • ReadyFireAimReadyFireAim Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2020 2:55PM

    What is it most beginner collectors believe yet you as a seasoned collector know simply isn't true?

    Anything a dealer says other than where to get hotdogs.

  • TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,809 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That all Ike dollars are "Silver Dollars"

    Trade $'s
  • koynekwestkoynekwest Posts: 10,048 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Perhaps that mintage is the sole determinant of rarity.

  • HydrantHydrant Posts: 7,773 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2020 5:38PM

    I don't know.

  • WillieBoyd2WillieBoyd2 Posts: 5,274 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Television is a good place to purchase coins.

    :)

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  • chesterbchesterb Posts: 962 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That there are "deals" out there for coins and the price paid was a steal!

  • DNADaveDNADave Posts: 7,308 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If it says it on the slab, that’s what the coin grades. Period.

  • PhillyJoePhillyJoe Posts: 2,706 ✭✭✭✭

    I can’t believe I got this so cheap. When I get it graded it will be a top pop.

    The Philadelphia Mint: making coins since 1792. We make money by making money. Now in our 225th year thanks to no competition. image
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 15, 2020 5:44PM

    The beginner might believe that it is highly possible to find a 1909-S V.D.B. Lincoln cent if said beginner buys enough wheat cent rolls on ebay with V.D.B. showing at one end of the roll. Two V.D.B. reverses showing, one at each end of the roll, doubles the chance that the roll has at least one 1909-S V.D.B.

    Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.

  • PerryHallPerryHall Posts: 46,876 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The beginner believes there is a Santa Claus in coin collecting. :D

    Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
    "Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
    "Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire

  • WalkerfanWalkerfan Posts: 9,751 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Myth: High aspirations with little effort.

    Truth: Coins have been VERY good to me but it has taken MANY years and A LOT of HARD work.

    Thank goodness it is a labor of LOVE......Otherwise, I would have NEVER survived it all.

    Sometimes, it’s better to be LUCKY than good. 🍀 🍺👍

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    https://www.ngccoin.com/registry/competitive-sets/16292/

  • jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 10,623 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The coin value chart starts with the far right column!
    Jim


    When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest....Abraham Lincoln

    Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.....Mark Twain
  • Dave99BDave99B Posts: 8,701 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Collectors covet shiny coins

    Dave

    Always looking for original, better date VF20-VF35 Barber quarters and halves, and a quality beer.
  • mvs7mvs7 Posts: 1,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    A statehood quarter with a hologram finish is more valuable than a statehood quarter. In fact, Coinstar machines will routinely reject the former, making them virtually worthless.

  • kiyotekiyote Posts: 5,588 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That your low-mintage certified proof platinum coin will bring anything but melt

    "I'll split the atom! I am the fifth dimension! I am the eighth wonder of the world!" -Gef the talking mongoose.
  • pruebaspruebas Posts: 4,662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That all rare coins have been graded/slabbed and the pops will never change.

  • BLUEJAYWAYBLUEJAYWAY Posts: 10,126 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1)That all mint issued products will rise in value year after year:Proof Sets, Mint Sets, etc. beyond their issue price. 2)Also, that you can make a fortune dealing in coins.

    Successful transactions:Tookybandit. "Everyone is equal, some are more equal than others".
  • AzurescensAzurescens Posts: 2,783 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @johnny9434 said:
    Most don't want to hear to take the cotton out of your ears and put it your mouth

    I learned to get better with this just in life in general and it's helped me and undoubtedly those around me.

    If someone is taking their valuable time to educate me or help me, I'm certainly going to listen to what they have to say. Nobody has to do anything for me and I'm entitled to nothing, so if someone is gonna put their life on pause for me, then yea, I'm listening. I do ask people, after all, for their input and opinions and experences so I can get better at the things I'm bad at. I'm not sure many take that step back and realize people online are volunteering their time to help. They're not getting paid and they have no skin in the game, so why not listen to what they have to say..

  • blitzdudeblitzdude Posts: 6,603 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Coin dealers are honest. Unsearched rolls. Natural toning.

    The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
    BOOMIN!™
    Wooooha! Did someone just say it's officially "TACO™" Tuesday????

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