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1893 Isabella Quarter struck in Cardboard. First Impression of the Dies. Pollock 3500.

JesseKraftJesseKraft Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited May 4, 2020 3:49PM in U.S. Coin Forum

Obverse and reverse impressions of the 1893 Isabella Quarter in cardboard. Both were a gift of F.C.C. Boyd in 1948.

The back of each read in hand-written ink:

Columbian Exposition
Isabella
$1/4
1893
This is the first impression from the die.
Received from Col. O.C. Bosbyshell, Supt. of the U.S. Mint, Philadelphia.

Obverse
American Numismatic Society, 1948.108.1

Reverse
American Numismatic Society, 1948.108.3

Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
American Numismatic Society
New York City

Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
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    291fifth291fifth Posts: 25,228 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Now there is something I've never seen before! Keep those unusual items from the ANS coming! :)

    All glory is fleeting.
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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very interesting... was this a common practice at the time, or just a special effort to proof the dies? Cheers, RickO

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    davewesendavewesen Posts: 6,996 ✭✭✭✭✭

    very nice

    what measures are used to keep humidity and temperature changes from spoiling the cardboard?

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thanks for the response....I was not aware of these....Certainly not as good as having the coin, but a unique piece of exo-numia. Cheers, RickO

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    jesbrokenjesbroken Posts: 11,265 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Quite interesting. Thanks for sharing.
    Jim


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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,262 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's a pretty cool find. I've never seen that either until now

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    JimnightJimnight Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That's nice!

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    JesseKraftJesseKraft Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @davewesen said:
    very nice

    what measures are used to keep humidity and temperature changes from spoiling the cardboard?

    We strive to adhere to fairly strict climate controls in the vault. A constant temperature of 70° +/- 2°, and an RH of 40% +/-5%.

    Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
    Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
    American Numismatic Society
    New York City

    Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
    Become a member of the American Numismatic Society!

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    TennesseeDaveTennesseeDave Posts: 4,917 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Such great details it's amazing. Thanks for sharing.

    Trade $'s
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    sellitstoresellitstore Posts: 3,086 ✭✭✭✭✭

    This type of colored cardboard was used for scrip starting prior to the Civil War, and in the Northern cities during the Civil War.

    Collector and dealer in obsolete currency. Always buying all obsolete bank notes and scrip.
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    JesseKraftJesseKraft Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @sellitstore said:
    This type of colored cardboard was used for scrip starting prior to the Civil War, and in the Northern cities during the Civil War.

    Are you insinuating that the '93 quarter above is a chit?

    Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
    Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
    American Numismatic Society
    New York City

    Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
    Become a member of the American Numismatic Society!

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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool. Being in the ANS vault must be like Scrooge McDuck swimming in gold coins.

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    JesseKraftJesseKraft Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 4, 2020 6:47PM

    @Coinosaurus said:
    Very cool. Being in the ANS vault must be like Scrooge McDuck swimming in gold coins.

    Haha! Yeah, that's about right.

    Here's the whole staff:

    Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
    Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
    American Numismatic Society
    New York City

    Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
    Become a member of the American Numismatic Society!

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    shorecollshorecoll Posts: 5,447 ✭✭✭✭✭

    So you keep paper and metal in the same vault?

    I've always slobbered over the vacuum (or whatever they are) sealed bookcases in the Vatican library...I just assumed you had some of those. I'm guessing the ANS doesn't need a Gutenberg.

    ANA-LM, NBS, EAC
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    kauwisckauwisc Posts: 80 ✭✭✭

    At one time I was hoping to get images of these from the ANS.
    They want $100 per side.

    No thanks.

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    JesseKraftJesseKraft Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @kauwisc said:
    At one time I was hoping to get images of these from the ANS.
    They want $100 per side.

    No thanks.



    Our fees for photography are $20 per object (both sides).
    The charge of $100 per image is for commercial use of said photographs.

    Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
    Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
    American Numismatic Society
    New York City

    Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
    Become a member of the American Numismatic Society!

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    kauwisckauwisc Posts: 80 ✭✭✭

    @JesseKraft said:

    @kauwisc said:
    At one time I was hoping to get images of these from the ANS.
    They want $100 per side.

    No thanks.



    Our fees for photography are $20 per object (both sides).
    The charge of $100 per image is for commercial use of said photographs.

    Got cha. Thanks for the clarification.

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is very interesting. What's the thickness of the card stock, if you know? Thanks. Peace Roy

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    messydeskmessydesk Posts: 20,833 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Exceedingly cool! Thanks for posting.

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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited May 14, 2020 11:21AM


    This Mint correspondence confirms the existence of a Mint-made Columbian half "struck" in cardboard.

    The Judd book lists the Isabella, and should list this as well. The reference to the 3rd Asst Postmaster General is because the PO and Mint were coordinating use of the same portrait on coin and stamp.

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    keyman64keyman64 Posts: 15,650 ✭✭✭✭✭

    COOL!

    "If it's not fun, it's not worth it." - KeyMan64
    Not really looking for much these days but if I were, it might be a toner. :smile:
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    JesseKraftJesseKraft Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Coinosaurus said:
    This Mint correspondence confirms the existence of a Mint-made Columbian half "struck" in cardboard.

    The Judd book lists the Isabella, and should list this as well. The reference to the 3rd Asst Postmaster General is because the PO and Mint were coordinating use of the same portrait on coin and stamp.

    Very, very cool!! Thank you

    Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
    Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
    American Numismatic Society
    New York City

    Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
    Become a member of the American Numismatic Society!

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    JesseKraftJesseKraft Posts: 417 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It would have take 10 Columbian halves to purchase one Columbian stamp!

    Jesse C. Kraft, Ph.D.
    Resolute Americana Curator of American Numismatics
    American Numismatic Society
    New York City

    Member of the American Numismatic Association (ANA), British Numismatic Society (BNS), New York Numismatic Club (NYNC), Early American Copper (EAC), the Colonial Coin Collectors Club (C4), U.S. Mexican Numismatic Association (USMNA), Liberty Seated Collectors Club (LSCC), Token and Medal Society (TAMS), and life member of the Atlantic County Numismatic Society (ACNS).
    Become a member of the American Numismatic Society!

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    CoinosaurusCoinosaurus Posts: 9,659 ✭✭✭✭✭

    In a sidebar discussion, it was suggested the Columbian cardboard impression, if it exists, might be somewhere in the National Postal Museum. Seems like a good place to look.

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    BoosibriBoosibri Posts: 12,728 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you for sharing, very cool! Keep it coming!

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    goldengolden Posts: 10,547 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Very cool!

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