Watch out - 1969-S proof quarter DDO FS-101?
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Below are two of John Wexler's photos of 1969-S 25c FS-101 from http://doubleddie.com/1992958.html
I'm including them to show what the variety should look like. This variety has doubling on the date (as well as "LIBERTY" and "IGWT") - the notching at the bottom of the first "9" is one particular PUP that I look for:
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Compare the previous photos to the coin listed right now on eBay:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-S-Washington-Quarter-25C-PR-66-DDO-FS-101-FS-027-08-PCGS/223984322653?hash=item342681885d:g:5xUAAOSwXYxenKwl
If you were thinking of sniping this one, you might want to think again. I see no sign of doubling whatsoever. It's too bad, because this is a pretty hard variety to find. The seller listed the same coin about a month ago - I contacted him at the time to voice my concerns (no response from him). Not surprisingly, it looks like the buyer had second thoughts about the coin and returned it, as now it is listed for sale a second time.
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Nice coin!
Can't beat the nice close up pics. Proofs in 1968 and 1969 seem to have been hastily made, with poor quality control.
Pete
Are you implying the coin has been replaced or that the label is counterfeit? Or that the TPG is in error? Cheers, RickO
Okay, I'll ask:
Is the slab photo & closeup of the one that you are questioning?
VS the Wexler photo?
BHNC #203
@Treashunt - John Wexler's photos show what the variety should look like (I've made an edit to the original post to clarify this). The slabbed coin from eBay (shown in the lower two photos) doesn't look like the variety to me.
@ricko - I hadn't considered any tampering with the slab/label. It seems to me the simplest explanation would be that either the attribution or the label is in error. The coin might be a regular 1969-S; it might also be the FS-501 RPM (in which case the FS-101 DDO was indicated on the label by mistake). I can't see the mintmark well enough in the photo to determine whether there is an RPM.
I believe that's my coin that John imaged. It was sold in 2012. It's a nice and quite scarce variety.
That's neat; if you are Bill, then it definitely is - great find! Normally, I expect the proof varieties to be relatively more available, as it's a smaller pool of coins to search. Definitely, that is not the case with the 1969-S FS-101 - there are just not many around...
Several of the better Washington 25c doubled dies in the Wexler/Flynn book were from my collection. I used to have what I considered the top 25 best doubled dies in the series.
I don't see any doubling on that '69-S either. It's hard to see how such an egregious error could be made on that one. The real deal is obvious.
Neat! I'd eventually like to find all of the major clad Washington quarter doubled dies. So far, I have 3 via coin roll hunting - for example: https://forums.collectors.com/discussion/1033428/a-mysterious-elusive-ddo#latest
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I have a feeling that eBay seller will be stuck with a second return and will be out the Paypal fees, again. Too bad he didn't listen! I'd have to assume the first buyer told him it was wrong, just as I did. He'll only luck out if the new buyer doesn't look at the coin.
Fair warning-many of the major copper-nickel doubled dies were much more difficult to find that the silver ones were. The only exception was the 1967 SMS DDO-001. The Stage A of that one, without additional machine doubling, is also hard to find. That Die 3 1965 you posted earlier this year is a nice one that wasn't known when I was assembling my set back in the early 90s until about 2007.
Difficult, yes - no question about that! Before I dump them back at the bank, I should weigh my bags of circulated 1965 quarters to figure out just how many I searched to find the two DDO's (in addition to the Die 3 1965, I also found the 1965 FS-102). I'm guessing it's $300 face value, at least.
The 1970-D FS-101 I consider to be more of a lucky find - I only went through about $100 face value of circulated 1970-D quarters to find that one.
Edit: Actually, now that I think about it, I had to look through about the same amount of 1970-D quarters, relative to the size of the mintage for the date. So, maybe not so lucky, afterall - still quite a lot of searching involved!
You've found some real toughies! I cherried a MS 1968-D DDR-001 at a small show and was the first to report Dies 2 and 3 of the 1970-D DDOs. This was years ago, in the late 90s.
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Wow, those are among the best of the best (esp. in MS!). Congratulations on the discovery coins! 1970-D is probably my favorite date in the series for varieties. I'm thinking my next thread will be a 1970-D thread.
Here's Die 2. The spread is wide but the hubbings are nearly equal. It presents as thicker lettering in LIBERTY, similar to the 1942-D DDO-001. These images are courtesy of VarietyVista.
And this is Die 3. Images once again courtesy of VarietyVista.
Bet that discovery made your day!
Oh, yeah. Best discovery piece I've ever found.