@pjb103183 said:
1998 Topps Chrome Peyton Manning and Randy Moss
I've got International Refractors that I cracked out of SGC 98 slabs that came back PSA 9s. I still need to crack those and send them back in. Probably a GD fingerprint.
I'm seeing the recent surge in products like 1990 Hoops or 1990 Fleer Jordan PSA 10's and can't really believe it. There is a sea of this product out there in the world. Even 1989 Upper Deck baseball. I guess the "junk era" is having its day.
Not the Leaf one, but noticed someone went in and bought every '90 Score Traded Frank Thomas rookie card off of Comc.
what is deal with the Thomas psa 10 score rookies. for ever they stayed at 30.00 now they are going for 50.00 or more. I think that the bowman ten would be going for more but the score might pass it as Thomas second best rookie.
I think it's a couple of factors. Score was the new kid on the block and let's face it, regular '90 Score was everywhere. The Traded set was not. I think it's a much more visually appealing card than the regular counter part and as with the '84 Puckett, the '86 Bonds or the us175 Trout, collectors have always had a thing for the "traded or update" series cards.
I've seen significant increases in early 1990's Fleer BKB, Topps BKB, and Skybox since the Jordan doc. I haven't seen the same in Upper Deck or Hoops. Anyone else notice this?
EDIT: Excluding 1992-93, those are all up. 1990-1995
@ndleo said:
I've seen significant increases in early 1990's Fleer BKB, Topps BKB, and Skybox since the Jordan doc. I haven't seen the same in Upper Deck or Hoops. Anyone else notice this?
EDIT: Excluding 1992-93, those are all up. 1990-1995
I've noticed similar problems across all brands from the era, including Hoops and UD. I got to the point where I just bit the bullet and paid a small premium to get the cards I wanted. Nothing like what these Jordan cards are doing but there are no more of what I wanted on eBay now so I'm glad I did it.
@ndleo said:
I've seen significant increases in early 1990's Fleer BKB, Topps BKB, and Skybox since the Jordan doc. I haven't seen the same in Upper Deck or Hoops. Anyone else notice this?
EDIT: Excluding 1992-93, those are all up. 1990-1995
I've noticed similar problems across all brands from the era, including Hoops and UD. I got to the point where I just bit the bullet and paid a small premium to get the cards I wanted. Nothing like what these Jordan cards are doing but there are no more of what I wanted on eBay now so I'm glad I did it.
Arthur
Hey Art - I was referring to unopened, but I assume the rise in the graded cards is driving demand for product. Even though it's hard for me to believe since I was active in that era, I think paying $50 for a 1991-1992 Skybox box to pull Jordans for PSA 10's doesn't seem like that bad of a deal. There are a lot of Jordans in both series of Skybox that year. I think we will soon be seeing a $100 box from that era.
@ndleo said:
I've seen significant increases in early 1990's Fleer BKB, Topps BKB, and Skybox since the Jordan doc. I haven't seen the same in Upper Deck or Hoops. Anyone else notice this?
EDIT: Excluding 1992-93, those are all up. 1990-1995
I've noticed similar problems across all brands from the era, including Hoops and UD. I got to the point where I just bit the bullet and paid a small premium to get the cards I wanted. Nothing like what these Jordan cards are doing but there are no more of what I wanted on eBay now so I'm glad I did it.
Arthur
Hey Art - I was referring to unopened, but I assume the rise in the graded cards is driving demand for product. Even though it's hard for me to believe since I was active in that era, I think paying $50 for a 1991-1992 Skybox box to pull Jordans for PSA 10's doesn't seem like that bad of a deal. There are a lot of Jordans in both series of Skybox that year. I think we will soon be seeing a $100 box from that era.
Ah, my bad, Mike. One of the unopened issues that I used to follow for a while is 1990 Hoops. I just opened a bunch of it as a kid and always liked it. I probably started shopping for it about a year ago but always ended up getting outbid. At first, my point of view was "there's a ton of this stuff, no way I'm paying more than $10/ea delivered for series 1 or series 2." I was mostly looking at lots of 3-6 boxes hoping to piggyback on shipping since I knew I wasn't going to find single boxes at that rate.
Listing after listing I got outbid. I ended up with just about everything else you can imagine -- 1989 Hoops Series 2, 1989 Pro Set football, 1991 Hoops Series 1 & 2, 1990 Skybox, 1991 Skybox, you name it. In all my buying I only ended up with one box each of 1990 Hoops. Now I look at the prices and just can't bring myself to pay it. I have no doubt that there will come a day in the future when I'll look back at this post and wish I had just bit the bullet.
Gretzky - Although his rookie is already through the roof, I started to see an increase in many of his key 80's O-Pee-Chee cards and I anticipate they will continue to climb. Hockey is undervalued in comparison to all other sports cards, but Gretzky is the Jordan of his sport and I believe many of his cards are undervalued.
@ndleo said:
I've seen significant increases in early 1990's Fleer BKB, Topps BKB, and Skybox since the Jordan doc. I haven't seen the same in Upper Deck or Hoops. Anyone else notice this?
EDIT: Excluding 1992-93, those are all up. 1990-1995
I've noticed similar problems across all brands from the era, including Hoops and UD. I got to the point where I just bit the bullet and paid a small premium to get the cards I wanted. Nothing like what these Jordan cards are doing but there are no more of what I wanted on eBay now so I'm glad I did it.
Arthur
Hey Art - I was referring to unopened, but I assume the rise in the graded cards is driving demand for product. Even though it's hard for me to believe since I was active in that era, I think paying $50 for a 1991-1992 Skybox box to pull Jordans for PSA 10's doesn't seem like that bad of a deal. There are a lot of Jordans in both series of Skybox that year. I think we will soon be seeing a $100 box from that era.
Ah, my bad, Mike. One of the unopened issues that I used to follow for a while is 1990 Hoops. I just opened a bunch of it as a kid and always liked it. I probably started shopping for it about a year ago but always ended up getting outbid. At first, my point of view was "there's a ton of this stuff, no way I'm paying more than $10/ea delivered for series 1 or series 2." I was mostly looking at lots of 3-6 boxes hoping to piggyback on shipping since I knew I wasn't going to find single boxes at that rate.
Listing after listing I got outbid. I ended up with just about everything else you can imagine -- 1989 Hoops Series 2, 1989 Pro Set football, 1991 Hoops Series 1 & 2, 1990 Skybox, 1991 Skybox, you name it. In all my buying I only ended up with one box each of 1990 Hoops. Now I look at the prices and just can't bring myself to pay it. I have no doubt that there will come a day in the future when I'll look back at this post and wish I had just bit the bullet.
Arthur
I know. It was so obvious it was sitting right in front of us the whole time. With the price of modern product, I realized that the days of buying a box and pulling a few Jordans were over. Those 1989-1993 boxes were such junk for so long that they had no where to go but up.
@ndleo said:
I've seen significant increases in early 1990's Fleer BKB, Topps BKB, and Skybox since the Jordan doc. I haven't seen the same in Upper Deck or Hoops. Anyone else notice this?
EDIT: Excluding 1992-93, those are all up. 1990-1995
I've noticed similar problems across all brands from the era, including Hoops and UD. I got to the point where I just bit the bullet and paid a small premium to get the cards I wanted. Nothing like what these Jordan cards are doing but there are no more of what I wanted on eBay now so I'm glad I did it.
Arthur
Hey Art - I was referring to unopened, but I assume the rise in the graded cards is driving demand for product. Even though it's hard for me to believe since I was active in that era, I think paying $50 for a 1991-1992 Skybox box to pull Jordans for PSA 10's doesn't seem like that bad of a deal. There are a lot of Jordans in both series of Skybox that year. I think we will soon be seeing a $100 box from that era.
Ah, my bad, Mike. One of the unopened issues that I used to follow for a while is 1990 Hoops. I just opened a bunch of it as a kid and always liked it. I probably started shopping for it about a year ago but always ended up getting outbid. At first, my point of view was "there's a ton of this stuff, no way I'm paying more than $10/ea delivered for series 1 or series 2." I was mostly looking at lots of 3-6 boxes hoping to piggyback on shipping since I knew I wasn't going to find single boxes at that rate.
Listing after listing I got outbid. I ended up with just about everything else you can imagine -- 1989 Hoops Series 2, 1989 Pro Set football, 1991 Hoops Series 1 & 2, 1990 Skybox, 1991 Skybox, you name it. In all my buying I only ended up with one box each of 1990 Hoops. Now I look at the prices and just can't bring myself to pay it. I have no doubt that there will come a day in the future when I'll look back at this post and wish I had just bit the bullet.
Arthur
I know. It was so obvious it was sitting right in front of us the whole time. With the price of modern product, I realized that the days of buying a box and pulling a few Jordans were over. Those 1989-1993 boxes were such junk for so long that they had no where to go but up.
I've been able to buy a good number of 1991 series 2 and 1992 Skybox sets off Craigslist for $6 each...in the 1991 Skybox series 2, you get 6 different Jordans in each set, so obviously doesn't take much to recoup each $6 after grading the best candidates...many times I find newspapers in the sets from 1991 and 1992, so I know the cards have been sitting in those boxes untouched since way back when....
So after hearing about the explosion of semi-modern rookie card prices, I went an researched some that I had in my sets. The 1986 Fleer basketball, mostly across the board, have gone insane. Last I updated prices for Barkley, Olajuwon, Malone and I Thomas, they were still in the $100 to $200 (Barkley) range. The recent closed prices on these in PSA 9 were 3x to 4x that. That being said, James Worthy cards are still very, very affordable in the $150 to $175 range. Stickers from the 1986 set are also crazy.
No one is going to have much discretionary money to buy cards and drive the market before too long. We are headed towards a depression unless this ends soon. 26 million unemployed don’t lie.
@TheCrisser said:
No one is going to have much discretionary money to buy cards and drive the market before too long. We are headed towards a depression unless this ends soon. 26 million unemployed don’t lie.
I couldn’t agree more. The recent explosion in prices discussed above reads to me as people blowing their stimulus check as the ship is sinking. The smart money would be to sell your Jordans and Pippens now so you can buy Russells and Mikans at 50% off in 6 months.
@blurryface said:
Man, it takes forever for that sky to get here. Must have been waaaaaaay up there.
I don't see their comments in that context. I thought they were just providing the other side of the coin perspective, which is always good to have. I'm not saying I agree with everything they said but their comments were measured and reasonable.
@blurryface said:
Man, it takes forever for that sky to get here. Must have been waaaaaaay up there.
I don't see their comments in that context. I thought they were just providing the other side of the coin perspective, which is always good to have. I'm not saying I agree with everything they said but their comments were measured and reasonable.
Arthur
I wasn't speaking of the Crisser's context solely in this thread, rather his entire body of work as a whole on this particular subject. Perhaps do a little more homework on your end first and actually look at both sides of that coin next time? And for the record, since you don't seem to know, I actually like The Crisser. He's a funny dude. The world needs heels and he's a great one!
Oh. And by the way. Your borrowed tag line "measured and reasonable" literally gave me a mirthless chuckle out loud though. Thank you.
@blurryface said:
Man, it takes forever for that sky to get here. Must have been waaaaaaay up there.
I don't see their comments in that context. I thought they were just providing the other side of the coin perspective, which is always good to have. I'm not saying I agree with everything they said but their comments were measured and reasonable.
Arthur
I wasn't speaking of the Crisser's context solely in this thread, rather his entire body of work as a whole on this particular subject. Perhaps do a little more homework on your end first and actually look at both sides of that coin next time? And for the record, since you don't seem to know, I actually like The Crisser. He's a funny dude. The world needs heels and he's a great one!
I should do a little more homework on the subtext of your post? How am I supposed to know you were referring to his "entire body of work as a whole?" (That's redundant, by the way.) You made no reference to anything anyone said outside this thread but I'm supposed to "do a little more homework" and read your mind?
I've been a little busy keeping my "non essential" but essential to me and employees business open and running while flipping a double bird to our dimwit Gov-ner but I did some looking last night at 4 cards:
1982 Topps Lawrence Taylor PSA 8-10.
1989 Score Barry Sanders PSA 10
1989 Score Troy Aikman PSA 10
1989 Score Deion Sanders PSA 10.
some rampant shilling on the Troy and Deion's in the PWCC Auction Thursday notwithstanding there's some mini explosion in recent sales, if legit..
Barry's Score rookie reminds me sorta/kinda of Griffs 89 UD in that there are no shortage of them. Maybe $1100 for a Barry 10 becomes a new normal, if legit..
LT'S 82 T has likely been held down by a myriad of LT off field reasons but his PSA 8-10's are moving, though with less explosion than the 89 Score Holy Trinity.
Are all ones I have checked with exponential movement over 2 months ago. I own all of these cards of course because they are what I collect. I am not looking to sell deal or flip. Even though this is a bubble that will not hold. I subbed a lot of these myself and it means something to me to keep.
Ones that are rather stable
1981 Topps Joe Montana
2011 Topps Mike Trout
1986 Topps Jerry Rice PSA 9
Lots of money pouring in but if they are doing this to make money they are in for a rude awakening with a market correction
In November I bought a ton of 80s and early 90s sets.
I sent a few of the cards off in a standard sub but most went into bulks
I got the 3 key 84 Fleer Update RC s back but a lot of these cards that are popping off are in 1 of 3 bulks sitting at PSA now. I really am jonesing to get them back, earliest one was logged on 12/15 next one in January third in March. I also have a 4th and 5th sub ready to go one is a renewal and the other is a bulk once the doors swing wide again. I do not see pricing holding up but who knows where anything is going.
@blurryface said:
Man, it takes forever for that sky to get here. Must have been waaaaaaay up there.
I don't see their comments in that context. I thought they were just providing the other side of the coin perspective, which is always good to have. I'm not saying I agree with everything they said but their comments were measured and reasonable.
Arthur
I wasn't speaking of the Crisser's context solely in this thread, rather his entire body of work as a whole on this particular subject. Perhaps do a little more homework on your end first and actually look at both sides of that coin next time? And for the record, since you don't seem to know, I actually like The Crisser. He's a funny dude. The world needs heels and he's a great one!
I should do a little more homework on the subtext of your post? How am I supposed to know you were referring to his "entire body of work as a whole?" (That's redundant, by the way.) You made no reference to anything anyone said outside this thread but I'm supposed to "do a little more homework" and read your mind?
What did you get banned for?
Arthur
It's the Crisser. Everything he's said is implied. Duh. How long have you been here?
@JBrules said:
Frank Thomas at 400!! I had no clue. I remember picking one up in 2015 and thinking I over paid at $82.00.
OMG
This was just a $100 card not that long ago.
The Big Hurt was awesome just never would have guessed it would zoom like this.
Inaugural rebirth year with a clean & classic design that was well ahead of its time. Both series of boxes have been getting swiftly picked up as soon as they are listed.
The rookie trio of boggs, gwynn, & sandberg seem to fly under the radar.
Outstanding pre-bubble rookies. It'll be interesting if they get caught up in the hype.
I recently picked up the donruss versions of boggs & sandberg
I think the 1991 top stadium club Brett Favre is still significantly undervalued and hasn’t caught fire yet. Maybe just baseball and basketball are going crazy now?
@rtimmer said:
I think the 1991 top stadium club Brett Favre is still significantly undervalued and hasn’t caught fire yet. Maybe just baseball and basketball are going crazy now?
There seems to be a huge gap in football cards where there is just absolutely no interest. I know of plenty of vintage football collectors and modern football collectors but basically anything post-1986 to active players seems to have a depressed market. Just about everything from the '90s is dirt cheap. From the '00s it feels like it's Brady and Brees and that's it. Even Tomlinson cards are cheap.
@rtimmer said:
I think the 1991 top stadium club Brett Favre is still significantly undervalued and hasn’t caught fire yet. Maybe just baseball and basketball are going crazy now?
There seems to be a huge gap in football cards where there is just absolutely no interest. I know of plenty of vintage football collectors and modern football collectors but basically anything post-1986 to active players seems to have a depressed market. Just about everything from the '90s is dirt cheap. From the '00s it feels like it's Brady and Brees and that's it. Even Tomlinson cards are cheap.
@rtimmer said:
I think the 1991 top stadium club Brett Favre is still significantly undervalued and hasn’t caught fire yet. Maybe just baseball and basketball are going crazy now?
There seems to be a huge gap in football cards where there is just absolutely no interest. I know of plenty of vintage football collectors and modern football collectors but basically anything post-1986 to active players seems to have a depressed market. Just about everything from the '90s is dirt cheap. From the '00s it feels like it's Brady and Brees and that's it. Even Tomlinson cards are cheap.
Arthur
Not the key ones
2001 Topps Chrome rcs
Sp Authentic Rcs
Considering where he sits in the record books and the cultural impact he had I'd say they're pretty cheap compared to where something similar in baseball or basketball would be.
The Leaf Thomas was down for too long as well. He was a dominate hobby figure for a while.> @ReggieCleveland said:
@rtimmer said:
I think the 1991 top stadium club Brett Favre is still significantly undervalued and hasn’t caught fire yet. Maybe just baseball and basketball are going crazy now?
There seems to be a huge gap in football cards where there is just absolutely no interest. I know of plenty of vintage football collectors and modern football collectors but basically anything post-1986 to active players seems to have a depressed market. Just about everything from the '90s is dirt cheap. From the '00s it feels like it's Brady and Brees and that's it. Even Tomlinson cards are cheap.
Arthur
For the modern market, it's all about the QBs. The QB Rookies from 2016-2019 have been very strong and the 2020 class looks to be very interesting as well, 4 1st Rd QBs plus Jalen Hurts about to steal Wentz's job.
Once the 2015 QBs flamed out, that product is dead for now. I do think Winston may be able to come back, not sure about Mariota.
@rtimmer said:
I think the 1991 top stadium club Brett Favre is still significantly undervalued and hasn’t caught fire yet. Maybe just baseball and basketball are going crazy now?
There seems to be a huge gap in football cards where there is just absolutely no interest. I know of plenty of vintage football collectors and modern football collectors but basically anything post-1986 to active players seems to have a depressed market. Just about everything from the '90s is dirt cheap. From the '00s it feels like it's Brady and Brees and that's it. Even Tomlinson cards are cheap.
Arthur
Not the key ones
2001 Topps Chrome rcs
Sp Authentic Rcs
Considering where he sits in the record books and the cultural impact he had I'd say they're pretty cheap compared to where something similar in baseball or basketball would be.
Arthur
2001 topps chrome Tomlinson PSA 9 went for $525 2001 Topps Chrome Pujols PSA 10 $325
Now the Tomlinson’s are all refractors so there is that. I would say that card is pretty pricey. Good luck finding a Reggie Wayne at a decent price as well
Could not find a price on a 10 Tomlinson but I would hazard to guess it would be similar to a nice used car.
Albert Pujols - look at his stats from first ten years - 3 MVP’s and probably 4 more if not for “juiced up Bonds”. Compare his stats to anyone.
Bill Russell - 11 Championships and his cards are scarce. Didn’t have the competition then, except for Chamberlain. Still, we talk Brady, Kareem, and Jordans 6 rings, Kobe, Magic, and Duncans 5, and Bird and Lebron’s 3, his cards have room to grow.
@rtimmer said:
I think the 1991 top stadium club Brett Favre is still significantly undervalued and hasn’t caught fire yet. Maybe just baseball and basketball are going crazy now?
There seems to be a huge gap in football cards where there is just absolutely no interest. I know of plenty of vintage football collectors and modern football collectors but basically anything post-1986 to active players seems to have a depressed market. Just about everything from the '90s is dirt cheap. From the '00s it feels like it's Brady and Brees and that's it. Even Tomlinson cards are cheap.
Arthur
Not the key ones
2001 Topps Chrome rcs
Sp Authentic Rcs
Considering where he sits in the record books and the cultural impact he had I'd say they're pretty cheap compared to where something similar in baseball or basketball would be.
Arthur
2001 topps chrome Tomlinson PSA 9 went for $525 2001 Topps Chrome Pujols PSA 10 $325
Now the Tomlinson’s are all refractors so there is that. I would say that card is pretty pricey. Good luck finding a Reggie Wayne at a decent price as well
Could not find a price on a 10 Tomlinson but I would hazard to guess it would be similar to a nice used car.
Okay, fair enough.
I don't think that Tomlinson and Pujols are a good comp though. Not because of their relative stats but because of their impact on the cultural zeitgeist. Tomlinson was the go-to #1 overall pick throughout the entire birth and explosion of fantasy football. I know I went out and picked up a few of his rookies simply because I never got to draft and own him in fantasy.
I think when the time comes, Tomlinson will leap frog some players because of that cultural impact.
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I've got International Refractors that I cracked out of SGC 98 slabs that came back PSA 9s. I still need to crack those and send them back in. Probably a GD fingerprint.
Arthur
Jason Kidd moving now on comc
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stupid print dots
Not the Leaf one, but noticed someone went in and bought every '90 Score Traded Frank Thomas rookie card off of Comc.
Could of used some airbrushing out (ears) on that card.
I'm seeing the recent surge in products like 1990 Hoops or 1990 Fleer Jordan PSA 10's and can't really believe it. There is a sea of this product out there in the world. Even 1989 Upper Deck baseball. I guess the "junk era" is having its day.
I also think 1991 topps stadium club should explode because of Brett Favre! Such a fun rip
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what is deal with the Thomas psa 10 score rookies. for ever they stayed at 30.00 now they are going for 50.00 or more. I think that the bowman ten would be going for more but the score might pass it as Thomas second best rookie.
I think it's a couple of factors. Score was the new kid on the block and let's face it, regular '90 Score was everywhere. The Traded set was not. I think it's a much more visually appealing card than the regular counter part and as with the '84 Puckett, the '86 Bonds or the us175 Trout, collectors have always had a thing for the "traded or update" series cards.
Michael Jordan. Lol.
9 sells for $11k last night and the PWCC one closing tonight is already over $12k.
I may be able to now do a 1:1 swap of my MJ for a 52 Mick PSA 1. Crazy.
Gronk has gone 🔥🔥🔥overnight
This guy exploded - too late to capitalize.
I've seen significant increases in early 1990's Fleer BKB, Topps BKB, and Skybox since the Jordan doc. I haven't seen the same in Upper Deck or Hoops. Anyone else notice this?
EDIT: Excluding 1992-93, those are all up. 1990-1995
I've noticed similar problems across all brands from the era, including Hoops and UD. I got to the point where I just bit the bullet and paid a small premium to get the cards I wanted. Nothing like what these Jordan cards are doing but there are no more of what I wanted on eBay now so I'm glad I did it.
Arthur
Me if I don't get a card I want.
I collect hall of fame rookie cards, https://www.instagram.com/stwainfan/
Iginla
Hey Art - I was referring to unopened, but I assume the rise in the graded cards is driving demand for product. Even though it's hard for me to believe since I was active in that era, I think paying $50 for a 1991-1992 Skybox box to pull Jordans for PSA 10's doesn't seem like that bad of a deal. There are a lot of Jordans in both series of Skybox that year. I think we will soon be seeing a $100 box from that era.
Ah, my bad, Mike. One of the unopened issues that I used to follow for a while is 1990 Hoops. I just opened a bunch of it as a kid and always liked it. I probably started shopping for it about a year ago but always ended up getting outbid. At first, my point of view was "there's a ton of this stuff, no way I'm paying more than $10/ea delivered for series 1 or series 2." I was mostly looking at lots of 3-6 boxes hoping to piggyback on shipping since I knew I wasn't going to find single boxes at that rate.
Listing after listing I got outbid. I ended up with just about everything else you can imagine -- 1989 Hoops Series 2, 1989 Pro Set football, 1991 Hoops Series 1 & 2, 1990 Skybox, 1991 Skybox, you name it. In all my buying I only ended up with one box each of 1990 Hoops. Now I look at the prices and just can't bring myself to pay it. I have no doubt that there will come a day in the future when I'll look back at this post and wish I had just bit the bullet.
Arthur
Gretzky - Although his rookie is already through the roof, I started to see an increase in many of his key 80's O-Pee-Chee cards and I anticipate they will continue to climb. Hockey is undervalued in comparison to all other sports cards, but Gretzky is the Jordan of his sport and I believe many of his cards are undervalued.
As a Bucks fan the name Jason Kidd makes me cringe.. talking about his coaching career..
Nic
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I know. It was so obvious it was sitting right in front of us the whole time. With the price of modern product, I realized that the days of buying a box and pulling a few Jordans were over. Those 1989-1993 boxes were such junk for so long that they had no where to go but up.
I've been able to buy a good number of 1991 series 2 and 1992 Skybox sets off Craigslist for $6 each...in the 1991 Skybox series 2, you get 6 different Jordans in each set, so obviously doesn't take much to recoup each $6 after grading the best candidates...many times I find newspapers in the sets from 1991 and 1992, so I know the cards have been sitting in those boxes untouched since way back when....
So after hearing about the explosion of semi-modern rookie card prices, I went an researched some that I had in my sets. The 1986 Fleer basketball, mostly across the board, have gone insane. Last I updated prices for Barkley, Olajuwon, Malone and I Thomas, they were still in the $100 to $200 (Barkley) range. The recent closed prices on these in PSA 9 were 3x to 4x that. That being said, James Worthy cards are still very, very affordable in the $150 to $175 range. Stickers from the 1986 set are also crazy.
No one is going to have much discretionary money to buy cards and drive the market before too long. We are headed towards a depression unless this ends soon. 26 million unemployed don’t lie.
I couldn’t agree more. The recent explosion in prices discussed above reads to me as people blowing their stimulus check as the ship is sinking. The smart money would be to sell your Jordans and Pippens now so you can buy Russells and Mikans at 50% off in 6 months.
Man, it takes forever for that sky to get here. Must have been waaaaaaay up there.
I don't see their comments in that context. I thought they were just providing the other side of the coin perspective, which is always good to have. I'm not saying I agree with everything they said but their comments were measured and reasonable.
Arthur
I wasn't speaking of the Crisser's context solely in this thread, rather his entire body of work as a whole on this particular subject. Perhaps do a little more homework on your end first and actually look at both sides of that coin next time? And for the record, since you don't seem to know, I actually like The Crisser. He's a funny dude. The world needs heels and he's a great one!
Oh. And by the way. Your borrowed tag line "measured and reasonable" literally gave me a mirthless chuckle out loud though. Thank you.
I should do a little more homework on the subtext of your post? How am I supposed to know you were referring to his "entire body of work as a whole?" (That's redundant, by the way.) You made no reference to anything anyone said outside this thread but I'm supposed to "do a little more homework" and read your mind?
What did you get banned for?
Arthur
I've been a little busy keeping my "non essential" but essential to me and employees business open and running while flipping a double bird to our dimwit Gov-ner but I did some looking last night at 4 cards:
1982 Topps Lawrence Taylor PSA 8-10.
1989 Score Barry Sanders PSA 10
1989 Score Troy Aikman PSA 10
1989 Score Deion Sanders PSA 10.
some rampant shilling on the Troy and Deion's in the PWCC Auction Thursday notwithstanding there's some mini explosion in recent sales, if legit..
Barry's Score rookie reminds me sorta/kinda of Griffs 89 UD in that there are no shortage of them. Maybe $1100 for a Barry 10 becomes a new normal, if legit..
LT'S 82 T has likely been held down by a myriad of LT off field reasons but his PSA 8-10's are moving, though with less explosion than the 89 Score Holy Trinity.
Good stuff, men. Enjoy your weekend!
This has gotten nuts.
89 Score Aikman, Barry, Deion
90 Score Emmitt
84 Fleer Update Puckett
82 Topps Lawrence Taylor
98 Sp Authentic Peyton Manning
Are all ones I have checked with exponential movement over 2 months ago. I own all of these cards of course because they are what I collect. I am not looking to sell deal or flip. Even though this is a bubble that will not hold. I subbed a lot of these myself and it means something to me to keep.
Ones that are rather stable
1981 Topps Joe Montana
2011 Topps Mike Trout
1986 Topps Jerry Rice PSA 9
Lots of money pouring in but if they are doing this to make money they are in for a rude awakening with a market correction
A Jerry Rice rookie gem 10 just sold yesterday for just under 27K if that's not an explosion then I don't know what is
Not sure if mentioned: 1990 leaf Frank Thomas is at $400.
I suspect piazza, canseco, bonds (maybe), Clemens all will be next.
The SP Arod has a little upward momentum (psa 9)
Frank Thomas at 400!! I had no clue. I remember picking one up in 2015 and thinking I over paid at $82.00.
OMG
This was just a $100 card not that long ago.
The Big Hurt was awesome just never would have guessed it would zoom like this.
It's a great RC!
Currently 5 auctions going, all over $300 with plenty of days remaining
In November I bought a ton of 80s and early 90s sets.
I sent a few of the cards off in a standard sub but most went into bulks
I got the 3 key 84 Fleer Update RC s back but a lot of these cards that are popping off are in 1 of 3 bulks sitting at PSA now. I really am jonesing to get them back, earliest one was logged on 12/15 next one in January third in March. I also have a 4th and 5th sub ready to go one is a renewal and the other is a bulk once the doors swing wide again. I do not see pricing holding up but who knows where anything is going.
It's the Crisser. Everything he's said is implied. Duh. How long have you been here?
Inaugural rebirth year with a clean & classic design that was well ahead of its time. Both series of boxes have been getting swiftly picked up as soon as they are listed.
Looks like all of his RCs are seeing a significant increase in value all of a sudden !
The rookie trio of boggs, gwynn, & sandberg seem to fly under the radar.
Outstanding pre-bubble rookies. It'll be interesting if they get caught up in the hype.
I recently picked up the donruss versions of boggs & sandberg
I think the 1991 top stadium club Brett Favre is still significantly undervalued and hasn’t caught fire yet. Maybe just baseball and basketball are going crazy now?
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1980-1989 Cello Packs - Rookies
There seems to be a huge gap in football cards where there is just absolutely no interest. I know of plenty of vintage football collectors and modern football collectors but basically anything post-1986 to active players seems to have a depressed market. Just about everything from the '90s is dirt cheap. From the '00s it feels like it's Brady and Brees and that's it. Even Tomlinson cards are cheap.
Arthur
Not the key ones
2001 Topps Chrome rcs
Sp Authentic Rcs
Considering where he sits in the record books and the cultural impact he had I'd say they're pretty cheap compared to where something similar in baseball or basketball would be.
Arthur
The Leaf Thomas was down for too long as well. He was a dominate hobby figure for a while.> @ReggieCleveland said:
For the modern market, it's all about the QBs. The QB Rookies from 2016-2019 have been very strong and the 2020 class looks to be very interesting as well, 4 1st Rd QBs plus Jalen Hurts about to steal Wentz's job.
Once the 2015 QBs flamed out, that product is dead for now. I do think Winston may be able to come back, not sure about Mariota.
2001 topps chrome Tomlinson PSA 9 went for $525 2001 Topps Chrome Pujols PSA 10 $325
Now the Tomlinson’s are all refractors so there is that. I would say that card is pretty pricey. Good luck finding a Reggie Wayne at a decent price as well
Could not find a price on a 10 Tomlinson but I would hazard to guess it would be similar to a nice used car.
90's inserts (scarce ones only ) and Alex Rodriquez.
Albert Pujols - look at his stats from first ten years - 3 MVP’s and probably 4 more if not for “juiced up Bonds”. Compare his stats to anyone.
Bill Russell - 11 Championships and his cards are scarce. Didn’t have the competition then, except for Chamberlain. Still, we talk Brady, Kareem, and Jordans 6 rings, Kobe, Magic, and Duncans 5, and Bird and Lebron’s 3, his cards have room to grow.
Okay, fair enough.
I don't think that Tomlinson and Pujols are a good comp though. Not because of their relative stats but because of their impact on the cultural zeitgeist. Tomlinson was the go-to #1 overall pick throughout the entire birth and explosion of fantasy football. I know I went out and picked up a few of his rookies simply because I never got to draft and own him in fantasy.
I think when the time comes, Tomlinson will leap frog some players because of that cultural impact.
Arthur