Seated Liberty Half Dollar - Guess the grade! GRADE REVEALED

RAB · March 27, 2020 12:18PM

Was thinking about sending this one in for reconsideration when our host re-opens for business. In the meantime...what grade would you assign? Based on the pics only, of course

Grade revealed below!

asheland · March 27, 2020 12:19PM

62 here. Cool coin!

CoinJunkie · March 27, 2020 12:21PM

Based on your reconsideration comment, I'll guess it was slabbed 58.

TurtleCat · March 27, 2020 12:25PM

I can’t judge luster but I’ll go 64.

oih82w8 · March 27, 2020 12:39PM

Beautiful 1860-S 50C WB-1 Large S MS62

Desert Moon · March 27, 2020 12:45PM

First impression - 64 very nice coin.

Insider2 · March 27, 2020 12:50PM

AU-58. Every point on the design where either a weak strike or friction wear shows up is "flatish" with a change of color. My guess is either slabbed as a 58 or 62. Grading is subjective so crack it out and offer it as an MS-63 or 64 and sleep like a baby.

Tom147 · March 27, 2020 1:00PM

Hmmm !!!!! Guess I'm seeing it different. " 64 " I like it.

Boosibri · March 27, 2020 1:07PM

62

ElmerFusterpuck · March 27, 2020 1:09PM

Maybe 58 or 58+

No Headlights · March 27, 2020 2:18PM

Since the grade was a disappointment I will say 61. And if my guess is accurate I would try again. Good luck when you resubmit

johnny9434 · March 27, 2020 2:32PM

Ok Ill go with ms64 as well.

Smudge · March 27, 2020 2:36PM

58, since you are having it reconsidered.

MFeld · March 27, 2020 2:42PM

63

tommy44 · March 27, 2020 2:46PM

From the photos I say 58 if the details show wear, ms63 - 64 if they are just weakly struck, looks like nice fields. Not my area so what do I know.

ColoradoCoinGuy · March 27, 2020 2:48PM

I would call it AU58. But I could see it in a MS62 slab. Looks clean enough to have been a MS64 or higher at one time, but to me there is rub indicating some light circulation. Can't tell anything about luster from the photo but I will assume it has some.

JBN · March 27, 2020 2:48PM

63

thisnamztaken · March 27, 2020 3:12PM

55 - 58

NumisOxide · March 27, 2020 3:14PM

62

LJenkins11 · March 27, 2020 3:28PM

62

Eldorado9 · March 27, 2020 3:30PM

AU58 or MS63....? Can't tell...

happycollecting · March 27, 2020 3:33PM

63

kaz · March 27, 2020 6:09PM

a nice au58?

relicsncoins · March 27, 2020 6:45PM

Without a luster shot it's a little tough. Firth thought was 63.

REALGATOR · March 27, 2020 6:56PM

I like it as a possible 62 or 63 but the photos seem to show a bit of honest circulation wear in the expected areas (knees, breast, head on the obverse, lower arrowhead on the reverse) along with a few contact marks so 58 is certainly in play. Anything lower should be resubmitted, IMO.

ironmanl63 · March 27, 2020 7:00PM

I wouldn't complain if it was in a 64 holder. Based on the pics.

amwldcoin · March 27, 2020 7:12PM

Should be in a 58+ holder based on the pictures...which would not be a bad thing at all!

50cCOMMEMGUY · March 27, 2020 7:29PM

62

okiedude · March 27, 2020 7:36PM

Super clean fields, really strong head strike (especially for SF). Not really seeing rub. 63-64 on a good day. GL

RAB · March 27, 2020 9:03PM

Thank you so much for all of your responses...will post the slab tomorrow!

ricko · March 28, 2020 5:36AM

I am in the 63 camp... though the reverse does seem to show wear on the fletching (arrow feathers). Being the reverse, it likely counts for less. Cheers, RickO

Insider2 · March 28, 2020 9:14AM

@RAB said:
Thank you so much for all of your responses...will post the slab tomorrow!

I may be dead by tomorrow!

metalmeister · March 28, 2020 9:41AM

I grade it fantastic! AU64

RAB · March 28, 2020 10:17AM

@Insider2 said:

I may be dead by tomorrow!

I sure hope not!!!

Didn't realize I posted so late last night - "tomorrow" is now! Grade reveal coming...

MFeld · March 28, 2020 10:18AM

@RAB said:

@Insider2 said:

I may be dead by tomorrow!

I sure hope not!!!

Didn't realize I posted so late last night - "tomorrow" is now! Grade reveal coming...

Please hurry, while he’s still with us.😉

RAB · March 28, 2020 10:23AM

Ok, so a fairly broad range of guesses spanning AU55 to MS64! Not too surprising, given that pictures are rarely able to convey the whole story.

To those of you who said 58 – congratulations, PCGS and CAC agree with you!

Here, I think luster is the critical piece of information missing from the pics. It’s fairly decent on the reverse, but the obverse, well…it looks to me like a lot of coins I’ve seen in 58-62.

I love the strike and details, with what I would consider slight weakness on the reverse, as some of you have pointed out, and very slight weakness on the high points of the obverse. If there’s wear on these high points, and I go back and forth on this, then 58 is the right grade from a technical standpoint. But, even then, I could see this coin finding its way into a 62 holder.

So, to sum up, in my opinion, I think the luster holds it back from anything higher than 62, but that is the grade I would be shooting for on reconsideration. Of course, getting it back in a 58+ holder would still be a nice consolation (and probably the highest grade my grading skills would allow me to confidently assign). So…to resubmit or not? I guess I have some time to think about it

Thank you again to everyone who shared their thoughts, I really appreciate it!!

oih82w8 · March 28, 2020 10:45AM

I thought that I seen a slight rub on the right thigh and breast, but there is a fine line between 58 and 62. I like it as 58 since I am building an Everyman Type Set.

7Jaguars · March 28, 2020 11:18AM

Was it priced at 58? I'd take it.

RAB · March 28, 2020 11:29AM

@7Jaguars said:
Was it priced at 58? I'd take it.

A bit of a premium to 58, but I couldn’t resist

Insider2 · March 28, 2020 11:35AM

@7Jaguars said:
Was it priced at 58? I'd take it.

Heck no. Dealers loved to buy my AU coins decades ago. I tell the story in class about a famous major dealer who looked through my coin book and asked the price of a 1917 Type I SLQ. I told him he didn't want that one because it was AU! He persisted and I persisted. I finally said OK then, and sold him the coin. He is still considered to be one of the best graders in the business and he knew an MS-65 (highest grade back then) FH coin when he saw one. It is probably in a 66 or 67slab today if it was taken care of.

CoinJunkie · March 28, 2020 12:04PM

Here's the TrueView for anyone interested. The TV makes it look more like an UNC than the OP's images did, IMHO.

Insider2 · March 28, 2020 12:56PM

@CoinJunkie said: "Here's the TrueView for anyone interested. The TV makes it look more like an UNC than the OP's images did, IMHO."

Thanks, but NOT in mine. These tired old eyes see exactly what I originally posted about the coin in the TV image.

DIMEMAN · March 28, 2020 1:16PM

@Insider2 said:
@CoinJunkie said: "Here's the TrueView for anyone interested. The TV makes it look more like an UNC than the OP's images did, IMHO."

Thanks, but NOT in mine. These tired old eyes see exactly what I originally posted about the coin in the TV image.

There is a break in color on her right knee. But it's a beautiful coin.

DollarAfterDollar · March 28, 2020 1:38PM

That was my thought. If there's rub at all it's only on the right leg. Definitely worth a re-submission.

amwldcoin · March 28, 2020 1:47PM

You do realize an AU58+ in todays market is worth quite a bit more than a 62. I would send it in for reconsideration for + only myself.

@RAB said:
Ok, so a fairly broad range of guesses spanning AU55 to MS64! Not too surprising, given that pictures are rarely able to convey the whole story.

To those of you who said 58 – congratulations, PCGS and CAC agree with you!

Here, I think luster is the critical piece of information missing from the pics. It’s fairly decent on the reverse, but the obverse, well…it looks to me like a lot of coins I’ve seen in 58-62.

I love the strike and details, with what I would consider slight weakness on the reverse, as some of you have pointed out, and very slight weakness on the high points of the obverse. If there’s wear on these high points, and I go back and forth on this, then 58 is the right grade from a technical standpoint. But, even then, I could see this coin finding its way into a 62 holder.

So, to sum up, in my opinion, I think the luster holds it back from anything higher than 62, but that is the grade I would be shooting for on reconsideration. Of course, getting it back in a 58+ holder would still be a nice consolation (and probably the highest grade my grading skills would allow me to confidently assign). So…to resubmit or not? I guess I have some time to think about it

Thank you again to everyone who shared their thoughts, I really appreciate it!!

ironmanl63 · March 28, 2020 2:00PM

There are times for me that it is hard to tell rub from a week strike. This coin is a prime example of that.

09sVDB · March 28, 2020 2:09PM

My "worry was the thigh and elbow. I think its accurately graded. Disappointing though because if not for the wear looks MS 63/4.

MFeld · March 28, 2020 2:34PM

@amwldcoin said:
You do realize an AU58+ in todays market is worth quite a bit more than a 62. I would send it in for reconsideration for + only myself.

@RAB said:
Ok, so a fairly broad range of guesses spanning AU55 to MS64! Not too surprising, given that pictures are rarely able to convey the whole story.

To those of you who said 58 – congratulations, PCGS and CAC agree with you!

Here, I think luster is the critical piece of information missing from the pics. It’s fairly decent on the reverse, but the obverse, well…it looks to me like a lot of coins I’ve seen in 58-62.

I love the strike and details, with what I would consider slight weakness on the reverse, as some of you have pointed out, and very slight weakness on the high points of the obverse. If there’s wear on these high points, and I go back and forth on this, then 58 is the right grade from a technical standpoint. But, even then, I could see this coin finding its way into a 62 holder.

So, to sum up, in my opinion, I think the luster holds it back from anything higher than 62, but that is the grade I would be shooting for on reconsideration. Of course, getting it back in a 58+ holder would still be a nice consolation (and probably the highest grade my grading skills would allow me to confidently assign). So…to resubmit or not? I guess I have some time to think about it

Thank you again to everyone who shared their thoughts, I really appreciate it!!

I don’t know about everyone else, but I sure don’t know that.

CoinJunkie · March 28, 2020 2:38PM

@amwldcoin said:
You do realize an AU58+ in todays market is worth quite a bit more than a 62. I would send it in for reconsideration for + only myself.

I'm not 100% positive on this, but my understanding is that you can't place an upper limit on the grade assigned by PCGS during Reconsideration. You can specify that you don't want the coin reholdered unless it gets bumped (at least) a full grade, but not the other way around. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

amwldcoin · March 28, 2020 3:01PM

I'm sure the Seated Halves are like the Barber + Bust Halves. They usually sell for a minimum of 63 money...sometimes over 65 money!

@MFeld said:

@amwldcoin said:
You do realize an AU58+ in todays market is worth quite a bit more than a 62. I would send it in for reconsideration for + only myself.

@RAB said:
Ok, so a fairly broad range of guesses spanning AU55 to MS64! Not too surprising, given that pictures are rarely able to convey the whole story.

To those of you who said 58 – congratulations, PCGS and CAC agree with you!

Here, I think luster is the critical piece of information missing from the pics. It’s fairly decent on the reverse, but the obverse, well…it looks to me like a lot of coins I’ve seen in 58-62.

I love the strike and details, with what I would consider slight weakness on the reverse, as some of you have pointed out, and very slight weakness on the high points of the obverse. If there’s wear on these high points, and I go back and forth on this, then 58 is the right grade from a technical standpoint. But, even then, I could see this coin finding its way into a 62 holder.

So, to sum up, in my opinion, I think the luster holds it back from anything higher than 62, but that is the grade I would be shooting for on reconsideration. Of course, getting it back in a 58+ holder would still be a nice consolation (and probably the highest grade my grading skills would allow me to confidently assign). So…to resubmit or not? I guess I have some time to think about it

Thank you again to everyone who shared their thoughts, I really appreciate it!!

I don’t know about everyone else, but I sure don’t know that.

amwldcoin · March 28, 2020 3:02PM

You can do a reconsideration for + only! Ask me how I know!

@CoinJunkie said:

@amwldcoin said:
You do realize an AU58+ in todays market is worth quite a bit more than a 62. I would send it in for reconsideration for + only myself.

I'm not 100% positive on this, but my understanding is that you can't place an upper limit on the grade assigned by PCGS during Reconsideration. You can specify that you don't want the coin reholdered unless it gets bumped (at least) a full grade, but not the other way around. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

@CoinJunkie said:

@amwldcoin said:
You do realize an AU58+ in todays market is worth quite a bit more than a 62. I would send it in for reconsideration for + only myself.

I'm not 100% positive on this, but my understanding is that you can't place an upper limit on the grade assigned by PCGS during Reconsideration. You can specify that you don't want the coin reholdered unless it gets bumped (at least) a full grade, but not the other way around. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Seated Liberty Half Dollar - Guess the grade! GRADE REVEALED

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