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$3 Gold - PCGS numeric MS grade or Details Scratch - GRADE REVEALED

REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited March 16, 2020 5:10PM in U.S. Coin Forum

$3 Gold - PCGS numeric MS grade or Details Scratch - GRADE REVEALED

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    ironmanl63ironmanl63 Posts: 1,975 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    Gorgeous coin! the scratch is a shame weather it graded or not.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It looks like a details-grade to me.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    Don't want your vote on the record? ;)

    @MFeld said:
    It looks like a details-grade to me.

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    Don't want your vote on the record? ;)

    @MFeld said:
    It looks like a details-grade to me.

    My opinion is on the record. I didn’t think to vote.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    I would say a details grade... Too bad... It is, however, gold, so I like it... ;) Gold is my personal weakness...Cheers, RickO

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    ashelandasheland Posts: 24,544 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing strike and luster - MS Sixty something

    62

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 10,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing strike and luster - MS Sixty something

    Often MS60 coins are unc. but with a multitude of issues, bag marks, light scratches, etc..

    Scratches are not defined in the ANA grading standards.
    https://www.numismaticnews.net/article/scratches-vary-in-severity-on-coins

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 16, 2020 11:23AM
    Amazing strike and luster - MS Sixty something

    The coin is not for me and I'd detail it; however since I've seen much worse straight graded in major TPGS slabs, it will probably be straight graded if sent in.

    Edit: I see it is slabbed already. I'll guess MS-62 + or MS-63.

    I'm shocked someone has not asked to see the coin's reverse and edge yet...LOL

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Insider2 said:
    The coin is not for me and I'd detail it; however since I've seen much worse straight graded in major TPGS slabs, it will probably be straight graded if sent in.

    Edit: I see it is slabbed already. I'll guess MS-62 + or MS-63.

    I'm shocked someone has not asked to see the coin's reverse and edge yet...LOL

    Why are you shocked? The question was whether the coin was "MS grade or Details Scratch?" Do we really need a reverse image to answer that? ;)

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,865 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    To bad. That is a nice coin

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing strike and luster - MS Sixty something

    @MFeld said:

    @Insider2 said:
    The coin is not for me and I'd detail it; however since I've seen much worse straight graded in major TPGS slabs, it will probably be straight graded if sent in.

    Edit: I see it is slabbed already. I'll guess MS-62 + or MS-63.

    I'm shocked someone has not asked to see the coin's reverse and edge yet...LOL

    Why are you shocked? The question was whether the coin was "MS grade or Details Scratch?" Do we really need a reverse image to answer that? ;)

    I agree. Of course we don't!

    IT'S A JOKE! If you follow the questions from newbies addressed to me and others when we post something you would understand. Example: I post the obverse of a $3 coin with a copper spot and ask what caused the spot. The obverse image is all that is needed yet several members ask to see the coin's edge and reverse. Head smack! :(

    Perhaps, after reading my sarcastic replies to those folks, it has finally sunk in. In that case, I'm shocked. I will be shocked even more if one of the jokers on CU does not post that NOW they need to see the reverse and edge of the OP's coin. :p

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    CharlotteDudeCharlotteDude Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I will say Details - Scratched, UNLESS it’s a branch mint or Civil War era date, which I’m of the opinion that if it’s a rare(er) issue, it’ll then be straight-graded, given the TPS’ track record. Either way, that coin should be in a details holder. Aside from the scratch, it’s a gorgeous coin.

    Got Crust....y gold?
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    TommyTypeTommyType Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing strike and luster - MS Sixty something

    I will say "Nay" to the snobbery, and say it's a nice enough coin for a straight grade....60 or 61. ;)

    Easily distracted Type Collector
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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭

    It's not branch mint

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 16, 2020 3:16PM
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    It doesn't matter what the label says. Unless that scratch is less prominent in hand than in the photo it belongs in a details holder.

    However it is a nice coin,

    GrandAm :)
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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing strike and luster - MS Sixty something

    AFAIK...TPGS's do not "Detail"coins that are: nice or gorgeous. :)

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    GRANDAMGRANDAM Posts: 8,785 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    Can't a details coin STILL be nice?

    GrandAm :)
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    50cCOMMEMGUY50cCOMMEMGUY Posts: 211 ✭✭✭
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    @GRANDAM said:
    Can't a details coin STILL be nice?

    I have seen some AMAZING details coins. That said, I have never, nor ever will, buy one 😉

    "Today the crumbs, tomorrow the
    loaf. Perhaps someday the whole damn boulangerie." - fictional Jack Rackham

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @TommyType said:
    I will say "Nay" to the snobbery, and say it's a nice enough coin for a straight grade....60 or 61. ;)

    In case you were even a little bit serious with the “snobbery” comment - however nice looking the coin might otherwise be, the mark is very prominent and distracting, as well as something that doesn’t typically occur during normal handling. Opinions that the coin should have a details-grade have nothing to do with snobbery.

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    REALGATORREALGATOR Posts: 2,705 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 16, 2020 5:09PM

    This is not my coin and I have not seen it in hand. BUT I own some classic gold that got the details finger for what I am quite confident had a less distracting mark than this example. Thanks all for voting. Here you go: Even Insider2 was too low.



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    BaleyBaley Posts: 22,663 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Net 64 does seem a bit high, but on the other hand, that's not a 50-point scratch either, is it?

    Liberty: Parent of Science & Industry

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    Insider2Insider2 Posts: 14,452 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing strike and luster - MS Sixty something

    @REALGATOR said: "Even Insider2 was too low."

    :( How embarrassing, but I never claimed to be a commercial grader. :p

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    50cCOMMEMGUY50cCOMMEMGUY Posts: 211 ✭✭✭
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    I am totally shocked. Well, a series I truly know nothing about. Apparently especially grading.

    "Today the crumbs, tomorrow the
    loaf. Perhaps someday the whole damn boulangerie." - fictional Jack Rackham

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    amwldcoinamwldcoin Posts: 11,269 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited March 16, 2020 5:36PM
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    I wanna see that coin in hand! The slab pic almost and maybe makes it look like a scratch on the slab!

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    coinhackcoinhack Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    I voted Details because of a coin that I recently sent for grading. It was also gold and overall, a nicer than average coin. But it did have a mark similar to the op coin. My coin, however had a much thinner hairline scratch that could only be seen when you turned it at a sharp angle under a bright light. I have to assume, since the op coin has a scratch that is much more prominent than my coin, it is not going to straight grade. At least if the same graders see it and it's before their morning coffee.

    It makes me wonder though. If these coins are details grade then how did all of those Carson City Morgan Dollars straight grade in MS 60 to 62 holders?

    This is an 1878 CC in a straight graded 62 holder:

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    MFeldMFeld Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @amwldcoin said:
    I wanna see that coin in hand! The slab pic almost and maybe makes it look like a scratch on the slab!

    That would explain a lot! ;)

    Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.

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    lkeigwinlkeigwin Posts: 16,895 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I don't think it's a slab scratch. But I'll bet the lighting angle made it look worse than it is.
    Lance.

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    johnny9434johnny9434 Posts: 34,865 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    Amazing

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    Namvet69Namvet69 Posts: 9,425 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That scratch is just too distracting - Details

    Minor consolation that the gash is not on her face. Otherwise a very nice coin. Peace Roy

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    logger7logger7 Posts: 10,005 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Amazing strike and luster - MS Sixty something

    I totally agree with the grade, a very pretty coin that does not deserve the scarlet letter of a details grade.

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