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GTG Liberty Seated Quarter, grades posted
Lucanus
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Guess the previous NGC grade, current PCGS grade, and CAC status. No cheating.
Doug
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NGC XF45
PCGS XF40
45, 40, w/sticker
50
50
No thoughts on sticker or lack thereof.
40-45 range. Not going to play the game as to who graded the coin at what level. Not AU unless the image failed to capture the surfaces. And I tend to doubt that in view of the plain and even wear on both the observe and reverse. 35 would be harsh and not within the realm of what I would consider reasonable
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Looks like a nice example that I would grade EF45
EAC 6024
XF45 by my standards. Other's standards may vary ... and I don't have any interest in paying for stickers.
I'm going with 50 at NGC and 50/50 chance on 45 or 50 at PCGS.
50
45.
45 NGC, 40 PCGS
CAC sticker on PCGS
BHNC #248 … 130 and counting.
45 then 40
NGC EF45, PCGS 40, no sticker.
If this coin has a sticker, I want to know why it passed with those short scratches from Liberty's hand onto the rock.
50 45 no cac
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45
Latin American Collection
I love that date.
AU50
Dave
AU50
The answer would be that the coin is still solid for the assigned grade and I would agree with that.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
XF45-45...probably got a bean....Cheers, RickO
I thought the 1872-s quarter pictured below was solid for the assigned grade (VF25) when I bought it from Gerry Fortin last week, yet it has no sticker. I think that tiny dig above UNITED might be the reason. That was the origin of my feelings about the short scratches on the 1864-s.
I don't mean to hijack the thread with a picture of one of my own coins, but it's relevant to the question of whether a few small digs (or one) will prevent an otherwise solid coin from earning CAC approval.
In each case, I have only the pictures to go by, so there could be other factors which aren’t apparent to me. That said, the flaw on your coin is more distracting to me than those on the other coin.
Also, if at the time you submit coins to CAC, you ask for the reason for any failed submissions, CAC will typically include a brief note of explanation.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Some of these seated 25c look familiar, any come from Tin Cup collection?
Yes, comparing photos from different cameras and with different lighting certainly confuses the matter. From the photos provided, the scratches on the 1864-s are a deal-breaker for me, though.
This coin was originally NGC AU53 - cert#4749657-001. Now it's PCGS XF40 CAC.
Way over graded by NGC, conservatively graded by PCGS in my opinion.
Thanks for your opinions!
Doug
It sounds like you think the coin is at least a 45. If so, that means you think PCGS was at least a full grade off and NGC was one or more grades off. If the NGC grade was “way over graded”, why was the PCGS grade “conservative” as opposed to “way under graded”?
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Mark, I grade the coin a solid XF45, which is not "way under graded". AU53 was a ludicrous grade for the coin.
Doug
Doug, based on your opinion of the coin, if NGC has graded it 50, they would have been high, to the same extent that PCGS was low. So I don’t see how the very minor difference between a 50 and a 53, can translate to “ludicrous” or “way over graded” by NGC, as compared to “conservative” for PCGS. It strikes me as biased. I’ve stated my opinion and will bow out, now.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I just saw this; was thinking XF/AU. Very good detail but I don't see much luster.
That's pickin nits!
Doug, based on your opinion of the coin, if NGC has graded it 50, they would have been high, to the same extent that PCGS was low. So I don’t see how the very minor difference between a 50 and a 53, can translate to “ludicrous” or “way over graded” by NGC, as compared to “conservative” for PCGS. It strikes me as biased. I’ve stated my opinion and will bow out, now.
I mean where is the luster for an AU grade. This coin seems well preserved despite the surface mild issues described. However, I was much better with the EF40 grade.
Well, just Love coins, period.
Mark, the difference between AU50 and AU53 is minor, but to be three grade levels over the consensus opinion of both PCGS and CAC? And I am biased for PCGS. NGC consistently over grades liberty seated quarters.
Doug
I think it EF45 as far as details go. The small scratches possibly resulted in a slightly lower grade from PCGS. PCGS may have thought the coin still deserved a straight grade, but dinged it 5 points due to the marks.
1864-s is a really difficult date in the Seated 25c series. After all these years, I still have a VF details coin that I never submitted for grading because it's marginal.
45 45 again. no sticker
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I saw the grade, but I would have guessed ef45.
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I saw this thread earlier and refrained from commenting. I would have been on the low end of the guesses. I like to see a little mint luster on XF coins and couldn't tell from the photos if there was any. 40 suits me fine. It has a nice look and detail is pretty good. Unless there's something that you can't appreciate in the photos, I don't think I'd like this as an AU coin.
With 10-15% mint luster on the 64-s and no rock scratches it could be an AU50. Looks XF45 to me and can't fault PCGS for net grading it down 5 pts for the scratches and the 2nd-ary or tertiary toning. I'd much prefer the charcoal look of that 72-s which at least looks more like original toning and probably no worse than 2nd-ary. And the reverse mark on the 72-s is really minor considering it's well hidden and on the reverse. Let's face it, these early S mints rarely come with all boxes checked to your satisfaction. Maybe only 10-30% of all survivors can say that. The 2 in this thread are both above average for their grades.
And if it helps any, there was an identical PCGS VF25 1872-s quarter I considered buying back around 10 yrs ago. I passed though because it had too much dark black toning on the reverse that looked to be above the coin's surface ....and a fairly long, old scratch running vertically up the eagle.