2000 D Sacagawea VIP STRIKE?? weird R and L dye engraving plus weird strikes

fordvee74 · March 14, 2020 1:27PM

Is this a Sacagawea 2000 VIP STRIKE DENVER ?
It's not a scratch on the obverse.

Here is the true color. It's like a darker gold

JBK · March 14, 2020 1:43PM

Looks like a normal, lightly circulated Sac to me....

Not sure what looks unusual about it. Maybe need better pics?

fordvee74 · March 14, 2020 1:47PM

Yeah my Android camera sucks. It has some weird dye dude it's not engraved. It's like the R and L is dye. You have to turn it a certain angle in the light. The R is barely seen by the naked eye. Try to veiw the pictures from a laptop and zoom in on the eagle's chest you will see what I'm talking about. Definitely not a regular sac. Someone keeps deleting my discussion hopefully they will let this one stay.

ifthevamzarockin · March 14, 2020 1:52PM

Welcome to the forum!

Let me start off by saying sorry for my less than constructive comment on your other thread.

Your coin has been doing it's job in commerce, it is a common dollar. The things you are seeing on the reverse breast is post mint damage (PMD). There are no hidden R or L initials. The mark on the obverse is indeed a scratch. You mentioned a grade in your other thread and this coin would be AU and is not MS.

For those looking for the other thread it looks like it was removed

fordvee74 · March 14, 2020 2:08PM

Way to rain on my parade

ifthevamzarockin · March 14, 2020 2:09PM

LOL! Sorry! :'(

fordvee74 · March 14, 2020 2:10PM

👻

BillDugan1959 · March 14, 2020 2:17PM

Well, unlike the typical dreary pocket change find that makes its way to these pages all too regrettably often, at least you can buy a doughnut with that.

AUandAG · March 14, 2020 2:47PM

Yup, carried in some VIP's pocket. Circulated example.

bob

fordvee74 · March 14, 2020 3:07PM

How does a VIP strike Denver Sacagawea look anyways. How will we know if we don't know what to look for???

fordvee74 · March 14, 2020 3:09PM

It's like a mystery. No info besides smalldollars.com and they always talk about VIP strike Philadelphia mint never Denver mint 😴

TitusFlavius · March 14, 2020 5:13PM

To the best of my knowledge, all the VIP 2000 Sac Dollars were P mint. There were Denver mint dollars with a burnished finish included in the Millennium Coinage and Currency Set in 2000, but those tend to stay in those sets, unless submitted for grading. I've never heard of one ending up in circulation. In any case, the mintage was several times that of the P-mint VIP dollars, so they aren't nearly as valuable.

fordvee74 · March 16, 2020 2:18AM

Dude VIP 2000 Denver mint Sacagawea's are more valuable what are you talking about? Only 120 were struck, them ending up in circulation is not impossible. It happened 20 years ago.

fordvee74 · March 16, 2020 2:19AM

@AUandAG said:
Yup, carried in some VIP's pocket. Circulated example.

bob

So you agree Bob? It's a VIP strike.

JBK · March 16, 2020 2:55AM

I am not sure but I don't think VIP strikes are slabbed because I don't think there are specific and identifiable differences from regular strikes. If you have ever original packaging then that is what gives it the privenance.

On any case, your coin looks like a normal Sac.

fordvee74 · March 16, 2020 3:43AM

https://youtu.be/1js8XfEm1JQ

YouTube video of the reverse.

ricko · March 16, 2020 6:12AM

@fordvee74 ....Welcome aboard....I have looked at your pictures and video... I believe I see what you are referring to... Keeping in mind, in hand evaluation is far superior to any pictures, I believe what you have is PMD on a circulated Sacajawea dollar. Cheers, RickO

ifthevamzarockin · March 16, 2020 7:32AM

It is a circulated golden dollar........ sorry it's not your golden goose.

fordvee74 · March 16, 2020 3:33PM

You have to see it in person. I know it's not a regular sac

Oldhoopster · March 16, 2020 5:35PM

What are the characteristics that you see on the coin that make you believe it's a Denver VIP issue? Are there any known die markers that you see on your coin? If you're claiming you have an extraordinary coin you need to provide some solid proof.

@fordvee74 said:
You have to see it in person. I know it's not a regular sac

Why should we believe your opinion when you have yet to demonstrate any credible information regarding your knowledge and experience with small dollars? Just because it "looks different" isn't solid evidence.

If you don't believe the opinions that knowledgeable numismatists (who BTW, have demonstrated there knowledge on this forum over the years) have given you, your next step would be sending it to a TPG like PCGS for authentication. If it's truly such a rare coin, you'll want to do that in any case. Do it now and then post the results. Nothing better than telling a bunch of know it all experts that they were wrong and you're the true expert

mannie gray · March 16, 2020 11:57PM

@fordvee74 said:
You have to see it in person. I know it's not a regular sac

That's why regular self-examination is important.

fordvee74 · March 20, 2020 4:13PM

Ym> @Oldhoopster said:

What are the characteristics that you see on the coin that make you believe it's a Denver VIP issue? Are there any known die markers that you see on your coin? If you're claiming you have an extraordinary coin you need to provide some solid proof.

@fordvee74 said:
You have to see it in person. I know it's not a regular sac

Why should we believe your opinion when you have yet to demonstrate any credible information regarding your knowledge and experience with small dollars? Just because it "looks different" isn't solid evidence.

If you don't believe the opinions that knowledgeable numismatists (who BTW, have demonstrated there knowledge on this forum over the years) have given you, your next step would be sending it to a TPG like PCGS for authentication. If it's truly such a rare coin, you'll want to do that in any case. Do it now and then post the results. Nothing better than telling a bunch of know it all experts that they were wrong and you're the true expert

@Oldhoopster said:
What are the characteristics that you see on the coin that make you believe it's a Denver VIP issue? Are there any known die markers that you see on your coin? If you're claiming you have an extraordinary coin you need to provide some solid proof.

@fordvee74 said:
You have to see it in person. I know it's not a regular sac

Why should we believe your opinion when you have yet to demonstrate any credible information regarding your knowledge and experience with small dollars? Just because it "looks different" isn't solid evidence.

If you don't believe the opinions that knowledgeable numismatists (who BTW, have demonstrated there knowledge on this forum over the years) have given you, your next step would be sending it to a TPG like PCGS for authentication. If it's truly such a rare coin, you'll want to do that in any case. Do it now and then post the results. Nothing better than telling a bunch of know it all experts that they were wrong and you're the true expert

Yes it had the employee appreciation strike on the front. And weird dye on the eagle's chest as shown in the video

Oldhoopster · March 20, 2020 5:26PM

@Oldhoopster said:
What are the characteristics that you see on the coin that make you believe it's a Denver VIP issue? Are there any known die markers that you see on your coin? If you're claiming you have an extraordinary coin you need to provide some solid proof.

Yes it had the employee appreciation strike on the front. And weird dye on the eagle's chest as shown in the video

So are you saying that the known characteristics of the 120 Denver VIP pieces are weird dye on the Rev and some marking (stamp? sticker? imprint?) that says "Employee Appreciation Strike" on the front? Can you show a pic of the Employee Appreciation strike on front? Where did you find the info that says a weird dye on the reverse is a diagnostic for the VIP strikes?

ifthevamzarockin · March 20, 2020 5:41PM

Maybe it's a tie dye.

JBK · March 20, 2020 7:14PM

I don't get it. Of all the countless explanations for a coin looking "different", why settle on the one that is the most far fetched and unprovable?

I might be wrong but I am not aware of any established die characteristics unique to VIP strikes.

And what the heck is a "weird dye"?

fordvee74 · April 10, 2020 5:15PM

IDK yall. It just doesn't look like a regular sac. That's it

fordvee74 · April 15, 2020 8:54AM

@Oldhoopster said:

@Oldhoopster said:
What are the characteristics that you see on the coin that make you believe it's a Denver VIP issue? Are there any known die markers that you see on your coin? If you're claiming you have an extraordinary coin you need to provide some solid proof.

Yes it had the employee appreciation strike on the front. And weird dye on the eagle's chest as shown in the video

So are you saying that the known characteristics of the 120 Denver VIP pieces are weird dye on the Rev and some marking (stamp? sticker? imprint?) that says "Employee Appreciation Strike" on the front? Can you show a pic of the Employee Appreciation strike on front? Where did you find the info that says a weird dye on the reverse is a diagnostic for the VIP strikes?

Pictures are here. Proof is in the pudding. Just need grading

fordvee74 · April 15, 2020 8:57AM

@JBK said:
I don't get it. Of all the countless explanations for a coin looking "different", why settle on the one that is the most far fetched and unprovable?

I might be wrong but I am not aware of any established die characteristics unique to VIP strikes.

And what the heck is a "weird dye"?

Jbk it's an engraving on the eagles chest. But it's not hand made. It had to be struck on a special press because you can only see it at a certain angle. I took the pictures using a Android. Try using a Android instead of a iPhone and zoom in and tell me what you see.

fordvee74 · April 15, 2020 8:58AM

@ifthevamzarockin said:
Maybe it's a tie dye.

Haha . I'm kind of green when it comes to the terms coin collectors use. My bad

fordvee74 · April 15, 2020 9:00AM

@JBK said:
I don't get it. Of all the countless explanations for a coin looking "different", why settle on the one that is the most far fetched and unprovable?

I might be wrong but I am not aware of any established die characteristics unique to VIP strikes.

And what the heck is a "weird dye"?

What are the characteristics of a VIP strike JBK? you seem like you're the most knowledgeable on this discussion.

fordvee74 · April 15, 2020 9:01AM

@fordvee74 said:
Ym> @Oldhoopster said:

What are the characteristics that you see on the coin that make you believe it's a Denver VIP issue? Are there any known die markers that you see on your coin? If you're claiming you have an extraordinary coin you need to provide some solid proof.

@fordvee74 said:
You have to see it in person. I know it's not a regular sac

Why should we believe your opinion when you have yet to demonstrate any credible information regarding your knowledge and experience with small dollars? Just because it "looks different" isn't solid evidence.

If you don't believe the opinions that knowledgeable numismatists (who BTW, have demonstrated there knowledge on this forum over the years) have given you, your next step would be sending it to a TPG like PCGS for authentication. If it's truly such a rare coin, you'll want to do that in any case. Do it now and then post the results. Nothing better than telling a bunch of know it all experts that they were wrong and you're the true expert

@Oldhoopster said:
What are the characteristics that you see on the coin that make you believe it's a Denver VIP issue? Are there any known die markers that you see on your coin? If you're claiming you have an extraordinary coin you need to provide some solid proof.

@fordvee74 said:
You have to see it in person. I know it's not a regular sac

Why should we believe your opinion when you have yet to demonstrate any credible information regarding your knowledge and experience with small dollars? Just because it "looks different" isn't solid evidence.

If you don't believe the opinions that knowledgeable numismatists (who BTW, have demonstrated there knowledge on this forum over the years) have given you, your next step would be sending it to a TPG like PCGS for authentication. If it's truly such a rare coin, you'll want to do that in any case. Do it now and then post the results. Nothing better than telling a bunch of know it all experts that they were wrong and you're the true expert

Yes it had the employee appreciation strike on the front. And weird dye on the eagle's chest as shown in the video

I'm with you oldhoopster. This covid 19 is jacking everything up. Soon as this is cleared up I will do that.

fordvee74 · April 15, 2020 9:05AM

@JBK said:
I am not sure but I don't think VIP strikes are slabbed because I don't think there are specific and identifiable differences from regular strikes. If you have ever original packaging then that is what gives it the privenance.

On any case, your coin looks like a normal Sac.

Hmm. Maybe this one got lost in circulation on accident. I mean it happened 20 years ago. Think about it.. if there were more of these puppies found there would be a lot more information about them on the internet. The original packaging would have sealed the deal but maybe .. just maybe this is what I think it is. It has a engraving on the eagles chest that couldn't have been PMD.

abcde12345 · April 15, 2020 10:57AM

There was a beginner collector here last summer who posted almost daily his finds (he would search rolls and stuff)- posting his conclusions here. You write like him (compliment) and disagree with others like him (not such a compliment).
Welcome to the forums. Again?

2000 D Sacagawea VIP STRIKE?? weird R and L dye engraving plus weird strikes

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