I pride myself on coming up with unique words to describe different things, but I am at a loss to come up with a word to describe how ugly the obverse is, the rusty splotchy-ness at 4 and 5 o'clock on the reverse wrecks the reverse for me as well, jmho
I suspect there is a large number of these in need of a new home, hence the hype. Selling a beautiful coin is easy. The ugly ones involve some salesmanship.
I have been accused of worse by better, but such is not here. everything is as stated in the OP if you even bothered to read it.
@keets said: I suspect there is a large number of these in need of a new home, hence the hype. Selling a beautiful coin is easy. The ugly ones involve some salesmanship.
I have been accused of worse by better, but such is not here. everything is as stated in the OP if you even bothered to read it.
Reread his post. He's in no way accusing YOU of being a hypester.
EDIT: The paragraph you edited out when quoting his post is important for context.
@Insider2 said: @keets asked: "What do you think of the coin and the grade."
Eye appeal is a rather personal thing. Nevertheless, it seems to change now and then for a large for the majority of folks. I liken it to fashion. Men's ties change in width and female hemlines go up and down. It seems it cannot be stopped. Try to buy a narrow tie today. We are forced into certain patterns of fashion - like it or not. I'm going to keep my comments about hemlines to myself for obvious reasons. So, as long as the color of a coin can affect its value more than its actual and true condition of preservation....
Now here's what I think of this coin: I think it best that when pulling images off the Net to show something, it would be best to CROP THEM in a way that they cannot be easily identified.
Please elaborate as to why these PCGS (or NGC) cert. numbers should be cropped out of images.
Easy if you think about it. We can find examples of over graded, under graded, and correctly graded coins all over the place including in TPGS holders. Grading HAS BECOME even more subjective than it was at one time at authentication services. There will always be disagreement as to taste and eye appeal. Even here on CU some folks post obviously damaged coins (remember the SL50c with the large scratch in the obverse field?) that are straight graded and for what reason? To point out how smart they are? A top TPGS has evaluated the coin. If you don't like the grade fine; but IMO all identifying info should be removed. The coin can be discussed w/o knowing who assigned the grade.
Fact: Part of the obverse rim of the coin we are discussing has a corroded edge that can NEVER be fixed enough to fool the guys who work on these. However, it can be restored enough to fool the rest of you BUT w ho would be dumb enough to ruin such a desirable coin to many knowledgeable dealers/collectors.
I understand your motivation to keep identifying factors out of discussions but it may be possible to remove these [likely improperly graded or labeled] coins from the market so people may not be stung again and again. Sounds naive of me to assume that TPG's should take responsibility for their work doesn't it.
@fiftysevener said: "I understand your motivation to keep identifying factors out of discussions but it may be possible to remove these [likely improperly graded or labeled] coins from the market so people may not be stung again and again. Sounds naive of me to assume that TPG's should take responsibility for their work doesn't it.
Many here must be assuming the coin is overgraded as an MS-67. The TPGS stands behind their product. The answer will come when the coin is sold.
@keets said: I suspect there is a large number of these in need of a new home, hence the hype. Selling a beautiful coin is easy. The ugly ones involve some salesmanship.
I have been accused of worse by better, but such is not here. everything is as stated in the OP if you even bothered to read it.
Reread his post. He's in no way accusing YOU of being a hypester.
EDIT: The paragraph you edited out when quoting his post is important for context.
I am sometimes surprised at how high a coin grades and even cacs. Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above, it would be interesting to see if they would sticker it. Toning and originality is something they like.
@logger7 said:
I am sometimes surprised at how high a coin grades and even cacs. Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above, it would be interesting to see if they would sticker it. Toning and originality is something they like.
I’m curious as to where you got the idea that “the the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above..”. That’s not what I’d expect.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@logger7 said:
I am sometimes surprised at how high a coin grades and even cacs. Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above, it would be interesting to see if they would sticker it. Toning and originality is something they like.
I’m curious as to where you got the idea that “the the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above..”. That’s not what I’d expect.
Maurice Rosen got a lot of statistics from cac that he published in his "Rosen Numismatic Advisory". What it showed was increased success of approval as the grades got better in certain issues. I am not a full time numismatist.
@logger7 said:
I am sometimes surprised at how high a coin grades and even cacs. Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above, it would be interesting to see if they would sticker it. Toning and originality is something they like.
I’m curious as to where you got the idea that “the the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above..”. That’s not what I’d expect.
Maurice Rosen got a lot of statistics from cac that he published in his "Rosen Numismatic Advisory". What it showed was increased success of approval as the grades got better in certain issues.
This may make sense. As the grade increases the price increases - often exponentially - making it very important for the TPGS to grade the coin strictly. Thus, more apt to "bean."
@logger7 said:
I am sometimes surprised at how high a coin grades and even cacs. Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above, it would be interesting to see if they would sticker it. Toning and originality is something they like.
I’m curious as to where you got the idea that “the the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above..”. That’s not what I’d expect.
Maurice Rosen got a lot of statistics from cac that he published in his "Rosen Numismatic Advisory". What it showed was increased success of approval as the grades got better in certain issues.
This may make sense. As the grade increases the price increases - often exponentially - making it very important for the TPGS to grade the coin strictly. Thus, more apt to "bean."
Exactly. As I have had a lot of trouble getting the "money" grades approved with cac, the lower value coins have been a lot better. But on MS66 and above of which I have submitted a few, had a high percentage of cac.
@logger7 said:
I am sometimes surprised at how high a coin grades and even cacs. Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above, it would be interesting to see if they would sticker it. Toning and originality is something they like.
I’m curious as to where you got the idea that “the the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above..”. That’s not what I’d expect.
Maurice Rosen got a lot of statistics from cac that he published in his "Rosen Numismatic Advisory". What it showed was increased success of approval as the grades got better in certain issues.
This may make sense. As the grade increases the price increases - often exponentially - making it very important for the TPGS to grade the coin strictly. Thus, more apt to "bean."
And yet, I see plenty of high grade coins that don't appear to be conservatively graded. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
@logger7 said:
I am sometimes surprised at how high a coin grades and even cacs. Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above, it would be interesting to see if they would sticker it. Toning and originality is something they like.
I’m curious as to where you got the idea that “the the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above..”. That’s not what I’d expect.
Maurice Rosen got a lot of statistics from cac that he published in his "Rosen Numismatic Advisory". What it showed was increased success of approval as the grades got better in certain issues.
This may make sense. As the grade increases the price increases - often exponentially - making it very important for the TPGS to grade the coin strictly. Thus, more apt to "bean."
And yet, I see plenty of high grade coins that don't appear to be conservatively graded. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
What is the high grade you are considering? That's a stupid silly question. What I'm thinking the "high grade" is where the big price jump occurs and it is different depending on the date, mint, and coin type. That is where the grade gets very tight.
@logger7 said:
I am sometimes surprised at how high a coin grades and even cacs. Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above, it would be interesting to see if they would sticker it. Toning and originality is something they like.
I’m curious as to where you got the idea that “the the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above..”. That’s not what I’d expect.
Maurice Rosen got a lot of statistics from cac that he published in his "Rosen Numismatic Advisory". What it showed was increased success of approval as the grades got better in certain issues.
This may make sense. As the grade increases the price increases - often exponentially - making it very important for the TPGS to grade the coin strictly. Thus, more apt to "bean."
And yet, I see plenty of high grade coins that don't appear to be conservatively graded. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
What is the high grade you are considering? That's a stupid silly question. What I'm thinking the "high grade" is where the big price jump occurs and it is different depending on the date, mint, and coin type. That is where the grade gets very tight.
Let's say 66 and higher, in response to logger7's post ("Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above,"). But what you're thinking works, too.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Looks like old mint set cardboard style toning. I'd have to see it in hand to make a good judgement. If the toned areas are dull or uneven on the luster ("dead" spots), then I would pass.
@keets said:
except that those didn't start until 1947, right??
That is correct. Makes me wonder if this coin was stored in one of those holders are a later date. That's the toning I usually see on '47 Walkers along with '48 and '49 Franklins.
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I pride myself on coming up with unique words to describe different things, but I am at a loss to come up with a word to describe how ugly the obverse is, the rusty splotchy-ness at 4 and 5 o'clock on the reverse wrecks the reverse for me as well, jmho
Looks like theres a reserved spot for someones fingers.
Pass. Not my style.
I like it and think it would look great in hand.
I suspect there is a large number of these in need of a new home, hence the hype. Selling a beautiful coin is easy. The ugly ones involve some salesmanship.
I have been accused of worse by better, but such is not here. everything is as stated in the OP if you even bothered to read it.
Reread his post. He's in no way accusing YOU of being a hypester.
EDIT: The paragraph you edited out when quoting his post is important for context.
Obviously, it is not a coin I would even consider....but y'all know that
Cheers, RickO
Has a sort of classic commemorative look and feel to it.
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I understand your motivation to keep identifying factors out of discussions but it may be possible to remove these [likely improperly graded or labeled] coins from the market so people may not be stung again and again. Sounds naive of me to assume that TPG's should take responsibility for their work doesn't it.
@fiftysevener said: "I understand your motivation to keep identifying factors out of discussions but it may be possible to remove these [likely improperly graded or labeled] coins from the market so people may not be stung again and again. Sounds naive of me to assume that TPG's should take responsibility for their work doesn't it.
Many here must be assuming the coin is overgraded as an MS-67. The TPGS stands behind their product. The answer will come when the coin is sold.
Looks like someone crapped on the obverse and peed on the reverse.
I could see it only as a 67 if the obverse matched the reverse just my 2 cents lol
What he said.
I went from 'horrible' to 'sort of like it' in about 7 seconds.
Dave
If you’re going to disparage the appearance of the coin, you should at least describe it accurately. And you failed to do so.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
I am sometimes surprised at how high a coin grades and even cacs. Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above, it would be interesting to see if they would sticker it. Toning and originality is something they like.
I’m curious as to where you got the idea that “the the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above..”. That’s not what I’d expect.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Maurice Rosen got a lot of statistics from cac that he published in his "Rosen Numismatic Advisory". What it showed was increased success of approval as the grades got better in certain issues. I am not a full time numismatist.
Monkey behind the slab?
This may make sense. As the grade increases the price increases - often exponentially - making it very important for the TPGS to grade the coin strictly. Thus, more apt to "bean."
Exactly. As I have had a lot of trouble getting the "money" grades approved with cac, the lower value coins have been a lot better. But on MS66 and above of which I have submitted a few, had a high percentage of cac.
A minute or two with a toothbrush and baking soda would take care of that.
And yet, I see plenty of high grade coins that don't appear to be conservatively graded. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
What is the high grade you are considering? That's a stupid silly question. What I'm thinking the "high grade" is where the big price jump occurs and it is different depending on the date, mint, and coin type. That is where the grade gets very tight.
Let's say 66 and higher, in response to logger7's post ("Since the percentage of cac acceptance is high on MS66 and above,"). But what you're thinking works, too.
Mark Feld* of Heritage Auctions*Unless otherwise noted, my posts here represent my personal opinions.
Looks like old mint set cardboard style toning. I'd have to see it in hand to make a good judgement. If the toned areas are dull or uneven on the luster ("dead" spots), then I would pass.
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except that those didn't start until 1947, right??
That is correct. Makes me wonder if this coin was stored in one of those holders are a later date. That's the toning I usually see on '47 Walkers along with '48 and '49 Franklins.
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