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CaptHenway -- Rediscovered Elder Item

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I brought this piece along to several major shows 10-20 years back to show to you but I can't recall if we got together and if you actually saw the piece. It's a DeLorey-19 struck over a Westphalia 1812C thaler KM-118 (or possibly KM-113?) with a resultant split planchet. I do not recall the full details but I believe that it was rescued from a junk silver pail in 1979-80 and I picked it up a few years later. I call it a rediscovered piece because I put it away about ten years ago and just found it again along with a small group of other Elder items while switching safe deposit boxes. Are you familiar with any other Elder dies used on silver coin?

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,576 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wow. That's an awesome Thomas Lindsay Elder piece!

    I love how Lincoln's profile is within the profile of the host coin and facing the same direction!

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    rickoricko Posts: 98,721 ✭✭✭✭✭

    That is different....Never saw one of those... or is there only one?? Cheers, RickO

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    NumisOxideNumisOxide Posts: 11,050 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Totally unique looking piece.

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,307 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I do not remember seeing this piece. Thanks for posting it.

    Besides the other silver overstrikes of DeLorey-19, see 77a & b, and the Canadian die "restrikes" by Bashlow.

    TD

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @CaptHenway said:
    I do not remember seeing this piece. Thanks for posting it.

    Besides the other silver overstrikes of DeLorey-19, see 77a & b, and the Canadian die "restrikes" by Bashlow.

    TD

    Maybe I'm showing my ignorance, but what are Delorey #'s for? Where are they found? Book?

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2020 5:18PM

    @MWallace said:

    @CaptHenway said:
    I do not remember seeing this piece. Thanks for posting it.

    Besides the other silver overstrikes of DeLorey-19, see 77a & b, and the Canadian die "restrikes" by Bashlow.

    TD

    Maybe I'm showing my ignorance, but what are Delorey #'s for? Where are they found? Book?

    They are catalog numbers used in @CaptHenway 's publication "Thomas L. Elder: A Catalogue of His Tokens and Medals."

    The following is from E-Sylum:

    These were cataloged by Thomas K. DeLorey in Thomas L. Elder A Catalogue of His Tokens and Medals. originally published in The Numismatist in 1980 and later published as a monograph.

    https://www.coinbooks.org/v22/esylum_v22n24a13.html

    Here's a signed specimen that sold a while back:

    https://www.icollector.com/DeLorey-Signed-Thomas-L-Elder-A-Catalogue-of-His-Tokens-and-Medals_i30112352

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    CaptHenwayCaptHenway Posts: 34,307 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The tokens and medals of coin dealer Thomas L. Elder, which I catalogued in the June and July, 1980 issues of The Numismatist.

    Professional Numismatist, Retired. 55 year member ANA. Former ANA Senior Authenticator. Winner of four ANA Heath Literary Awards; three Wayte and Olga Raymond Literary Awards; Numismatist of the Year Award 2009, and ANA Lifetime Achievement Award 2020. Winner of the PNG's 2026 Robert Friedberg Award for "The Enigmatic Lincoln Cents of 1922," Available now from Whitman or Amazon.
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    MWallaceMWallace Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Thank you.

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    ZoinsZoins Posts: 34,576 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 17, 2020 8:42PM

    I haven't been able to find many tokens with this die.

    Here's a set I found using the same obverse die which sold on Feb 14, 2019. This was from the Charles E. Sigety collection. He passed away on Aug 3, 2014. Anyone know who owns this now?

    https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/68668219_1909-8-thomas-elder-lincoln-tokens-incl-gold

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