I'm counting 6355 total graded 2019 s Enhanced Silver eagles at NGC as of today. That would make a total of 11,502 graded coins from the top 2 services. About 38 percent of the mintage has been put into plastic by the two top grading companies..
@Goldminers said:
The price will not drop fast, but it will drop. Just saw a thousand of the 5,000+ NGC graded 70's hit the market and $2,000 may be on the high side after Christmas.
I see the drop in price of these 70's as a bit like ice. It seems to melt a bit slow at first, and the next thing you know it is all gone.
That tells me a PR70 graded by PCGS has more collector value than a 70 from our friends across the street.
I totally agree with you about PCGS being of more value.
I thought ANACS did all the grading for that tv dude. Number has got to be higher than that as I have seen him selling the 79’s in ANACS plastic.
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@Mgarmy said:
I thought ANACS did all the grading for that tv dude. Number has got to be higher than that as I have seen him selling the 79’s in ANACS plastic.
That is strange. His next show is New Years Eve, I would think he would be supplied by now.
@Goldminers said:
There are 44 different Proof silver eagles in a complete PCGS Proof Silver Eagle Registry set.
There are now already 11 of them that have LOWER populations in PR70 than this coin.
I'm not sure that is anything but a statistical anomaly. There is little point in slabbing most common date proof silver eagles.
edited to add:
Just for fun, I looked at wheat cents. There are almost 3x as many 1909 S-VDB's slabbed as 1909-S coins and 5x as many S-VDB's slabbed as 1909 plain. And there are about 7x as many 1914-D coins slabbed as 1914-P
Here's a fun comparison: There are 2443 RED 1909 S-VDB in PCGS plastic and only 183 1923 BROWN.
@TwoSides2aCoin said:
Proof that the mint ships me less than premium quality specimens.
69 is premium quality
… and 68?
Quite possibly. After all, a 68 could have been a 70 that fell out of its capsule in shipping. In that case, your beef is with FedEX or USPS, not the Mint. In general, modern proofs are made to a 69 standard which is why you see so few 68s or lower.
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A modern mint product and almost half have been graded and willing to say it’ll increase.
If you include NGC, over 50% have currently been graded. I don’t recall this ever happening before...
What about crossover, crack-out, regrade, etc?
We’ve had enough time now for the “hopefuls” to resubmit in whatever form they are choosing.
Well know sooner, rather than later, when totals exceed mintage (since it’s a low mintage) if that is the case but, of course, we’ll never know actual numbers.
@ChrisH821 said:
The number of labels is ridiculous.
Not only is this ridiculous just look how complicated that pop report is !
I chose the option to receive notification from the mint when one becomes available. Still waiting
@Goldminers said:
The price will not drop fast, but it will drop. Just saw a thousand of the 5,000+ NGC graded 70's hit the market and $2,000 may be on the high side after Christmas.
I see the drop in price of these 70's as a bit like ice. It seems to melt a bit slow at first, and the next thing you know it is all gone.
That tells me a PR70 graded by PCGS has more collector value than a 70 from our friends across the street.
Don't bet on it. Look at the price drop for Pf 70 DCam Ikes. PCGS graded so many with less contrast that the few NGC coins available (which are closer to true 70's) rarely enter the market.
This explains how those graded Pf 69 Star Ultra Cameo would seem to be the ultimate coins.
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Great news. These graded silver eagles are finally slowing down so that maybe my 5 different commemorative medal submissions I have been waiting for a long time will finally get out of grading and QA and get shipped soon.
These are back down around to $2,000 in PCGS 70 with TrueView and graded certs now. Will they be closer to $1,500 next month, or still $2,000+?
I vote $1,500. I think there are Just too many 70's and probably just not that many collectors who want to pay $2,000 to have this one ounce of modern silver. Honestly $1,500 for a single coin is on the high side for many, if not most, modern coin collectors. It was still quite a fun and crazy story for a while. LOL
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Certainly agree with you. I only have PCGS American Silver Eagles for my registry set.
As has been the case for a very long time, GB.
No, this just means the US Mint should hire the graders at PCGS. IMHO.
I'm counting 6355 total graded 2019 s Enhanced Silver eagles at NGC as of today. That would make a total of 11,502 graded coins from the top 2 services. About 38 percent of the mintage has been put into plastic by the two top grading companies..
I totally agree with you about PCGS being of more value.
Just checked ANACS. They've graded 4 ERP's : two 69's and two 70's. Busy over there...NOT.
I thought ANACS did all the grading for that tv dude. Number has got to be higher than that as I have seen him selling the 79’s in ANACS plastic.
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Current POPS as of December 24, 2019......63.3% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 18% of all ERP's Minted so far.
Let’s See…
Concerning pop reports for the 2019-S Enhanced Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle…
December 20, 2019, pop report for PCGS…
68 = 12 0.3%
69 = 1284 33.3%
70 = 2555 66.3%
Total = 3851
December 23, 2019, pop report for PCGS…
68 = 20 0.4%
69 = 1960 36.3%
70 = 3416 63.3%
Total = 5396
December 20, 2019, pop report for NGC…
67 = 1
68 = 9 0.1%
69 = 1286 20.2%
70 = 5059 79.6%
Total = 6355
December 24, 2019, pop report for NGC…
67 = 1
68 = 12 0.1%
69 = 1815 22.6%
70 = 6213 77.3%
Total = 8041
Totals NGC +PCGS listed as of December 24, 2019:
67 = 1
68 = 32 0.2%
69 = 3775 28.1%
70 = 9629 71.7%
Total = 13437
That means between NGC + PCGS there have been 13437 out of 29731 (45.2%) coins graded…
Your Pops % for the PCGS 68's is incorrect......I come up with .37%
Thanks for the NGC numbers.
It’s Not incorrect.
.37% is the same thing as 0.4% rounded. I don’t go out 2 digits on any of my percentages...
My apologies, my cataracts must be getting worse, and I mistook your 20 as 20.x%.
And yes, .37% is 4% rounded.
What happens when the pop report goes over 30K? lol
The whole worlds off its rocker, buy Gold™.
That is strange. His next show is New Years Eve, I would think he would be supplied by now.
It just might with a lot of people cracking their 69's trying for a 70 again!
Edit to add....and don't forget crossovers!
Current POPS as of December 27, 2019......62.9% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 18.9% of all ERP's Minted so far.
Of note, if you take the PR70's that have no provenance or fancy labels, the percentage of 70's is 51.5%.
That certainly evens the playing field.
Anyone know the percentage for NGC 70's that have no provenance?
There are 44 different Proof silver eagles in a complete PCGS Proof Silver Eagle Registry set.
There are now already 11 of them that have LOWER populations in PR70 than this coin.
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
Current POPS as of December 29, 2019......62.3% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 19.9% of all ERP's Minted so far.
Well, we have our first 67.
Also, the percentage of PR70's continues to slowly decrease.
https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/category/939?l=silver-eagles-1986-date&ccid=0&p=PR&sn=807000&pn=1&ps=100
interesting that the Baltimore labelled coins have more 69's than 70's. how did that happen?
Interesting - a really high pop coin in that.
Proof that the mint ships me less than premium quality specimens.
69 is premium quality
I'm not sure that is anything but a statistical anomaly. There is little point in slabbing most common date proof silver eagles.
edited to add:
Just for fun, I looked at wheat cents. There are almost 3x as many 1909 S-VDB's slabbed as 1909-S coins and 5x as many S-VDB's slabbed as 1909 plain. And there are about 7x as many 1914-D coins slabbed as 1914-P
Here's a fun comparison: There are 2443 RED 1909 S-VDB in PCGS plastic and only 183 1923 BROWN.
… and 68?
Only if it's a Peace or Morgan dollar
Quite possibly. After all, a 68 could have been a 70 that fell out of its capsule in shipping. In that case, your beef is with FedEX or USPS, not the Mint. In general, modern proofs are made to a 69 standard which is why you see so few 68s or lower.
Up to 41 packaging options. Does anyone have the rare "base" plain label?
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Current POPS as of December 31, 2019......62.7% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 20.6% of all ERP's Minted so far.
https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/category/939?l=silver-eagles-1986-date&ccid=0&p=PR&sn=807000&pn=1&ps=100
I like to look at week over week Analysis…
Concerning pop reports for the 2019-S Enhanced Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle…
December 24, 2019, pop report for PCGS…
68 = 20 0.4%
69 = 1960 36.3%
70 = 3416 63.3%
Total = 5396
December 31, 2019, pop report for PCGS…
67 = 1
68 = 26 0.4%
69 = 2278 36.9%
70 = 3876 62.7%
Total = 6181
Variance week/week for pop report for PCGS…
67 =1
68 = 6 0.8%
69 = 318 40.5%
70 = 460 58.6%
Total = 785
December 24, 2019, pop report for NGC…
67 = 1
68 = 12 0.1%
69 = 1815 22.6%
70 = 6213 77.3%
Total = 8041
December 31, 2019, pop report for NGC…
67 = 1
68 = 12 0.1%
69 = 2084 24.0%
70 = 6571 75.8%
Total = 8668
Variance week/over for pop report for NGC…
67 = 0
68 = 0
69 = 269 42.9%
70 = 358 57.1%
Total = 627
Totals NGC +PCGS listed as of December 31, 2019:
67 = 2
68 = 38 0.3%
69 = 4362 29.4%
70 = 10447 70.4%
Total = 14849
That means between NGC + PCGS there have been 14849 out of 29731 (49.9%) coins graded…
Current POPS as of January 2, 2020......62.3% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 21.2% of all ERP's Minted so far.
That is something!
A modern mint product and almost half have been graded and willing to say it’ll increase.
If you include NGC, over 50% have currently been graded. I don’t recall this ever happening before...
Less than two months, too, release was 7 Nov14 Nov.
Thanks for the date correction @Mgarmy.
14 nov
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What about crossover, crack-out, regrade, etc?
We’ve had enough time now for the “hopefuls” to resubmit in whatever form they are choosing.
Well know sooner, rather than later, when totals exceed mintage (since it’s a low mintage) if that is the case but, of course, we’ll never know actual numbers.
Current POPS as of January 3, 2020......62.1% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 22.2% of all ERP's Minted so far.
https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/category/939?l=silver-eagles-1986-date&ccid=0&p=PR&sn=807000&pn=1&ps=100
Current POPS as of January 4, 2020......62.4% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 22.7% of all ERP's Minted so far.
Not only is this ridiculous just look how complicated that pop report is !
I chose the option to receive notification from the mint when one becomes available. Still waiting
Don't bet on it. Look at the price drop for Pf 70 DCam Ikes. PCGS graded so many with less contrast that the few NGC coins available (which are closer to true 70's) rarely enter the market.
This explains how those graded Pf 69 Star Ultra Cameo would seem to be the ultimate coins.
I like to look at week over week Analysis…
Concerning pop reports for the 2019-S Enhanced Reverse Proof American Silver Eagle…
December 31, 2019, pop report for PCGS…
67 = 1
68 = 26 0.4%
69 = 2278 36.9%
70 = 3876 62.7%
Total = 6181
January 7, 2020, pop report for PCGS…
67 = 1
68 = 30 0.4%
69 = 2562 37.3%
70 = 4271 62.2%
Total = 6864
Variance week/week for pop report for PCGS…
67 =0
68 = 4 0.6%
69 = 284 41.6%
70 = 395 57.8%
Total = 683
December 31, 2019, pop report for NGC…
67 = 1
68 = 12 0.1%
69 = 2084 24.0%
70 = 6571 75.8%
Total = 8668
January 7, 2020, pop report for NGC…
67 = 1
68 = 12 0.1%
69 = 2192 24.2%
70 = 6847 75.6%
Total = 9052
Variance week/week for pop report for NGC…
67 = 0
68 = 0
69 = 108 28.1%
70 = 276 71.9%
Total = 384
Totals NGC +PCGS listed as of January 7, 2020:
67 = 2
68 = 42 0.3%
69 = 4754 29.9%
70 = 11118 69.9%
Total = 15916
That means between NGC + PCGS there have been 15916 out of 29731 (53.5%) coins graded…
Current POPS as of January 8, 2020......62.1% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 23.2% of all ERP's Minted so far.
At this point, submissions are really starting to slow.
What was 300 plus per grading work day is now under 100.
I am sending two this friday
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Current POPS as of January 10, 2020......61.9% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 23.4% of all ERP's Minted so far.
PCGS has graded 85 ERP's in the last two days.
Great news. These graded silver eagles are finally slowing down so that maybe my 5 different commemorative medal submissions I have been waiting for a long time will finally get out of grading and QA and get shipped soon.
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
These are back down around to $2,000 in PCGS 70 with TrueView and graded certs now. Will they be closer to $1,500 next month, or still $2,000+?
I vote $1,500. I think there are Just too many 70's and probably just not that many collectors who want to pay $2,000 to have this one ounce of modern silver. Honestly $1,500 for a single coin is on the high side for many, if not most, modern coin collectors. It was still quite a fun and crazy story for a while. LOL
National Commemorative Medals of the U.S. Mint:
https://www.pcgs.com/setregistry/u-s-coins/medals-tokens/national-commemorative-medals-united-states-mint-1940-present/alltimeset/195526
Current POPS as of January 11, 2020......61.8% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 23.7% of all ERP's Minted so far.
PCGS has graded 74 ERP's since yesterday.
I think now that the mad submission rush is over, it's time for a new wave of crack outs and hold outs.
I would have to think the percentage of 70's will continue to fall.
https://www.pcgs.com/pop/detail/category/939?l=silver-eagles-1986-date&ccid=0&p=PR&sn=807000&pn=1&ps=100
Current POPS as of January 14, 2020......61.8% are PR70.
PCGS has graded 23.8% of all ERP's Minted so far.
PCGS has graded 24 ERP's since Jan 11th post.
Down to a trickle of submissions it appears now.