1889-CC Morgan Dollar -Verdict in- NGC Genuine AU details cleaned
1889-CC
die marker characteristics for authentication
Comments
-
The 1889-CC is fake the 1890-S is real.
0 -
I guarantee you are wrong
0 -
Ive had 3 dealers look at it who have been in business for yeas and none ever questioned it was real. what makes what do you see that makes you think its a fake?
0 -
Looks legit to my eyes. Without seeing the marker between the wheat leaves above the tiara it looks like a far date VAM 5. The '89cc is what I'm referring to.
0 -
It's real, it has the raised die line between the wheat leaves and the tiara.
1 -
I just posted a photo of the raised die line for authentication. Between the leaf and T of Liberty
1 -
Look at the CCs, & their positions:
OP’s coin:
From CoinFacts:
1 -
Do you know how many reverse dies were used? do you discount the pcgs grading guide die identification marker?
2 -
@Collectorcoins said:
Do you know how many reverse dies were used? do you discount the pcgs grading guide die identification marker?Show me another 89-cc from CoinFacts, HA, etc. w/the same cc & position as your coin & I will accept your coin as genuine.
Pls no flapping your lips, 1, 2, 3 times & more.
1 -
I have no opinion about authenticity one way or another, but no reason to not send in this 2-3K coin for certification to be sure.
1 -
@KollectorKing said:
@Collectorcoins said:
Do you know how many reverse dies were used? do you discount the pcgs grading guide die identification marker?Show me another 89-cc from CoinFacts, HA, etc. w/the same cc & position as your coin & I will accept your coin as genuine.
Pls no flapping your lips, 1, 2, 3 times & more.
Before I’m put on “time out” again, I’ll put my money where my mouth is. I’ll ppff you $100.00, when your coin is slabbed as genuine by either our host or NGC.
KK, collectorking@gmail.com
5 -
ok, ill send it in.
5 -
Please show us the results.
Collector
Over 100 Positive BST transactions buying and selling with 57 members and counting!
instagram.com/klnumismatics1 -
ok
0 -
Shipped to NGC 12/24 earlybird
0 -
That is awesome
100% positive transactions with SurfinxHI, bigole, 1madman, collectorcoins, proofmorgan, Luke Marshall, silver pop, golden egg, point five zero,coin22lover, alohagary, blaircountycoin,joebb21
0 -
"Show me another 89-cc from CoinFacts, HA, etc. w/the same cc & position as your coin & I will accept your coin as genuine.”
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpg
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com0 -
http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1889-CC_VAM-5
And here are 4 recent Heritage sales:
https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?Nty=1&Ntt=1889-CC+VAM+5&N=790+231+382&ic3=ViewItem-Auction-Archive-BackToSearch-081514#1294-100008"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com0 -
@coindeuce said:
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpgInstead of flapping your lips, put your money where your lips are. I’ll make you the same offer. If the coin comes back from NGC as genuine, I’ll ppff you $100.00.
However, If not, you ppff me $500.00, deal?
If CU puts me on time out again or ban me, you know how to get ahold of me.
KK
2 -
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com0 -
See how close the 2nd C the op’s coin is from the O? That is what concerns me. Show me a pic of another 89-CC with the 2nd C as close to the O as the op’s coin.
1 -
Quit while you’re behind. Your last comment is gibberish.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com1 -
@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.I may be ignorant, but not arrogant. At least I “made” the op get the coin holder before trying to sell it, ie so the next owner will have some “guarantee.”
What have you done lately other than flap your tongue?
0 -
Heritage Lot #4635, Auction 1245 (April 2017 CSNS) Blow up the reverse and try to claim that it isn’t the same reverse as OP’s coin.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com0 -
@coindeuce said:
Heritage Lot #4635, Auction 1245 (April 2017 CSNS) Blow up the reverse and try to claim that it isn’t the same reverse as OP’s coin.@coindeuce said:
Heritage Lot #4635, Auction 1245 (April 2017 CSNS) Blow up the reverse and try to claim that it isn’t the same reverse as OP’s coin.@coindeuce said:
Heritage Lot #4635, Auction 1245 (April 2017 CSNS) Blow up the reverse and try to claim that it isn’t the same reverse as OP’s coin.@coindeuce said:
Heritage Lot #4635, Auction 1245 (April 2017 CSNS) Blow up the reverse and try to claim that it isn’t the same reverse as OP’s coin.No only am I ignorant, but lazy. You found the pics, your post the pics.
1 -
@KollectorKing said:
@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.I may be ignorant, but not arrogant. At least I “made” the op get the coin holder before trying to sell it, ie so the next owner will have some “guarantee.”
What have you done lately other than flap your tongue?
@KollectorKing said:
@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.I may be ignorant, but not arrogant. At least I “made” the op get the coin holder before trying to sell it, ie so the next owner will have some “guarantee.”
What have you done lately other than flap your tongue?
I’ve observed you coercing a seller with no motive or incentive to sell a counterfeit coin to accept your wager just to satisfy your ego. That is my definition of arrogance. If you were a mature adult, you would have offered to buy the coin based on your insistence of proving authenticity instead of blathering about protecting the next owner.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com0 -
@coindeuce said:
@KollectorKing said:
@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.I may be ignorant, but not arrogant. At least I “made” the op get the coin holder before trying to sell it, ie so the next owner will have some “guarantee.”
What have you done lately other than flap your tongue?
@KollectorKing said:
@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.I may be ignorant, but not arrogant. At least I “made” the op get the coin holder before trying to sell it, ie so the next owner will have some “guarantee.”
What have you done lately other than flap your tongue?
I’ve observed you coercing a seller with no motive or incentive to sell a counterfeit coin to accept your wager just to satisfy your ego. That is my definition of arrogance. If you were a mature adult, you would have offered to buy the coin based on your insistence of proving authenticity instead of blathering about protecting the next owner.
Si.... case closed.
0 -
@KollectorKing said:
Si.... case closed.Back pedaling, I see. Not going to acknowledge the results from NGC either ?
😆"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com0 -
@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.Huh?
0 -
Boy sooner or later the 1894 is gonna get sold.
0 -
More drama from KollectorQueen
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com1 -
@KollectorKing said:
@coindeuce said:
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpgInstead of flapping your lips, put your money where your lips are. I’ll make you the same offer. If the coin comes back from NGC as genuine, I’ll ppff you $100.00.
However, If not, you ppff me $500.00, deal?
If CU puts me on time out again or ban me, you know how to get ahold of me.
KK
KK - this is uncalled for, Steve is an honest seller and not trying to rip anybody off. Also if I’m wrong I’ll pay you $100 but if I’m right you pay me $500 seems a little over the top. For what’s its worth, based on images I think you’ll be sending steve some $$.
0 -
@Bigbuck1975 said:
@KollectorKing said:
@coindeuce said:
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpgInstead of flapping your lips, put your money where your lips are. I’ll make you the same offer. If the coin comes back from NGC as genuine, I’ll ppff you $100.00.
However, If not, you ppff me $500.00, deal?
If CU puts me on time out again or ban me, you know how to get ahold of me.
KK
KK - this is uncalled for, Steve is an honest seller and not trying to rip anybody off. Also if I’m wrong I’ll pay you $100 but if I’m right you pay me $500 seems a little over the top. For what’s its worth, based on images I think you’ll be sending steve some $$.
Sorry BB1975, I respectfully disagree with you. When a key coin like an 89-CC Morgan is being sold uncertified & in my opinion the 2nd C’s position is questionable someone has to step up & challenge the seller’s opinion of the coin. The OP kept saying it’s genuine so I’m putting $100 to see what NGC has to say about the coin.
1. If it’s genuine the seller is right & will get good money for the coin and I will ppff him $100.00.
2. If NGC says otherwise, I’ll save $100.Pure & simple. I hope you understand my point of view.
0 -
@Bigbuck1975 said:
@KollectorKing said:
@coindeuce said:
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpgInstead of flapping your lips, put your money where your lips are. I’ll make you the same offer. If the coin comes back from NGC as genuine, I’ll ppff you $100.00.
However, If not, you ppff me $500.00, deal?
If CU puts me on time out again or ban me, you know how to get ahold of me.
KK
KK - this is uncalled for, Steve is an honest seller and not trying to rip anybody off. Also if I’m wrong I’ll pay you $100 but if I’m right you pay me $500 seems a little over the top. For what’s its worth, based on images I think you’ll be sending steve some $$.
Furthermore the quote you referred to was NOT addressed to the OP. It was addressed to another name calling member. Please re-read the the quoted passage.
0 -
@coindeuce said:
More drama from KollectorQueenI want to keep this on record in case the member edits or deletes it.
2 -
@Collectorcoins said:
Shipped to NGC 12/24 earlybirdKeep for the record.
0 -
Arrived at NGC on 12/30.
1 -
@KollectorKing said:
Boy sooner or later the 1894 is gonna get sold.Nothing like covertly attacking another seller's business. Not cool in the least.
"Everything is on its way to somewhere. Everything." - George Malley, Phenomenon
http://www.american-legacy-coins.com1 -
@KollectorKing said:
@Bigbuck1975 said:
@KollectorKing said:
@coindeuce said:
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpgInstead of flapping your lips, put your money where your lips are. I’ll make you the same offer. If the coin comes back from NGC as genuine, I’ll ppff you $100.00.
However, If not, you ppff me $500.00, deal?
If CU puts me on time out again or ban me, you know how to get ahold of me.
KK
KK - this is uncalled for, Steve is an honest seller and not trying to rip anybody off. Also if I’m wrong I’ll pay you $100 but if I’m right you pay me $500 seems a little over the top. For what’s its worth, based on images I think you’ll be sending steve some $$.
Sorry BB1975, I respectfully disagree with you. When a key coin like an 89-CC Morgan is being sold uncertified & in my opinion the 2nd C’s position is questionable someone has to step up & challenge the seller’s opinion of the coin. The OP kept saying it’s genuine so I’m putting $100 to see what NGC has to say about the coin.
1. If it’s genuine the seller is right & will get good money for the coin and I will ppff him $100.00.
2. If NGC says otherwise, I’ll save $100.Pure & simple. I hope you understand my point of view.
Unless you are in the market to buy it, I'm not sure why you think you have not just the right but the duty to challenge the coin's authenticity.
All comments reflect the opinion of the author, even when irrefutably accurate.
1 -
Following...
0 -
Shall be interesting when the results come in.
Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value. Zero. Voltaire. Ebay coinbowlllc
0 -
Just as I said Vam 5 far date. 100% legit. I mean all that has to be done is push a few buttons and go over to VamWorld and compare. The OP's pics are definitely good enough to see the details you need to see to verify. I guess it's not a biggie sending it off anyway! But nice 89cc, I wish I had the extra doe, I'd grab it!
1 -
Waitin on that grade!
AlmostOver 100 successful deals on this forum spanning well over 10 years now, feel free to ask for references!1 -
Following as well.
Zircon Cases - Protect Your Vintage Slabs www.ZirconCases.com
Former CoFounder of Choice Numismatics
All of my collection is in a safe deposit box!1 -
It was sent to NGC. The dealer who sent it had a dispute with NGC, they finally settled it so its in the grading process somewhere along the way. I will post it as soon as i know and post a photo of it in the holder or the body bag.
2 -
will be interested to see the results.
0 -
@Collectorcoins said:
It was sent to NGC. The dealer who sent it had a dispute with NGC, they finally settled it so its in the grading process somewhere along the way. I will post it as soon as i know and post a photo of it in the holder or the body bag.Get the submission number from the dealer and follow the coin moving through the process. I sure hope you trust the person who sent the coin for grading.
0 -
oh I can , hes honest.
0 -
Just called NGC- genuine AU details cleaned. will post photo in holder once I receive the coin.
19 -
So who were the know it alls that said FAKE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE ? Didn't someone bet money ? Take it.
6
Categories
- All Categories
- 520K Coins and Currency - PCGS
- 328.5K U.S. Coin Forum
- 14.8K PCGS Set Registry Forum
- 5.2K Q & A Forum
- 41.4K World & Ancient Coins Forum
- 3K U.S. & World Currency Forum
- 96.4K Buy, Sell, & Trade - U.S. Coins
- 7.3K Buy, Sell & Trade - World & Ancient Coins
- 1.5K Buy, Sell & Trade - Currency
- 60 Random
- 246.2K Trading Cards, Autographs and Memorabilia - PSA
- 90.3K Trading Cards & Memorabilia Forum
- 1.7K Autographs Forum
- 16.4K PSA Set Registry Forum
- 22K Sports Talk
- 115K Buy, Sell & Trade - Cards & Memorabilia
- 663 Buy, Sell & Trade - Autographs
- 2.2K Stamps
- 1.5K Stamps Forum
- 670 Buy, Sell & Trade - Stamps
- 83 Coin Shows
- 83 General Coin Show Information and Discussion
- 11.9K Misc
- 11.9K Testing Forum