1889-CC Morgan Dollar -Verdict in- NGC Genuine AU details cleaned

Collectorcoins · December 15, 2019 4:37PM

1889-CC

die marker characteristics for authentication

HighRelief · December 15, 2019 7:17PM

The 1889-CC is fake the 1890-S is real.

Collectorcoins · December 16, 2019 3:05AM

I guarantee you are wrong

Collectorcoins · December 16, 2019 3:08AM

Ive had 3 dealers look at it who have been in business for yeas and none ever questioned it was real. what makes what do you see that makes you think its a fake?

Jayyk31 · December 16, 2019 8:46AM

Looks legit to my eyes. Without seeing the marker between the wheat leaves above the tiara it looks like a far date VAM 5. The '89cc is what I'm referring to.

Collectorcoins · December 16, 2019 9:15AM

It's real, it has the raised die line between the wheat leaves and the tiara.

Collectorcoins · December 16, 2019 9:21AM

I just posted a photo of the raised die line for authentication. Between the leaf and T of Liberty

KollectorKing · December 16, 2019 10:13AM

Look at the CCs, & their positions:

OP’s coin:

From CoinFacts:

Collectorcoins · December 16, 2019 11:45AM

Do you know how many reverse dies were used? do you discount the pcgs grading guide die identification marker?

KollectorKing · December 16, 2019 12:41PM

@Collectorcoins said:
Do you know how many reverse dies were used? do you discount the pcgs grading guide die identification marker?

Show me another 89-cc from CoinFacts, HA, etc. w/the same cc & position as your coin & I will accept your coin as genuine.

Pls no flapping your lips, 1, 2, 3 times & more.

jclovescoins · December 16, 2019 1:03PM

I have no opinion about authenticity one way or another, but no reason to not send in this 2-3K coin for certification to be sure.

KollectorKing · December 16, 2019 2:00PM

@KollectorKing said:

@Collectorcoins said:
Do you know how many reverse dies were used? do you discount the pcgs grading guide die identification marker?

Show me another 89-cc from CoinFacts, HA, etc. w/the same cc & position as your coin & I will accept your coin as genuine.

Pls no flapping your lips, 1, 2, 3 times & more.

Before I’m put on “time out” again, I’ll put my money where my mouth is. I’ll ppff you $100.00, when your coin is slabbed as genuine by either our host or NGC.

KK, collectorking@gmail.com

Collectorcoins · December 16, 2019 3:34PM

ok, ill send it in.

Kliao · December 16, 2019 5:19PM

Please show us the results.

Collectorcoins · December 16, 2019 6:38PM

ok

Collectorcoins · December 25, 2019 6:44AM

Shipped to NGC 12/24 earlybird

Mgarmy · December 26, 2019 6:35PM

That is awesome

coindeuce · January 1, 2020 8:19PM

"Show me another 89-cc from CoinFacts, HA, etc. w/the same cc & position as your coin & I will accept your coin as genuine.”
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpg

coindeuce · January 1, 2020 8:25PM

http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1889-CC_VAM-5
And here are 4 recent Heritage sales:
https://coins.ha.com/c/search-results.zx?Nty=1&Ntt=1889-CC+VAM+5&N=790+231+382&ic3=ViewItem-Auction-Archive-BackToSearch-081514#1294-100008

KollectorKing · January 1, 2020 8:46PM

@coindeuce said:
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpg

Instead of flapping your lips, put your money where your lips are. I’ll make you the same offer. If the coin comes back from NGC as genuine, I’ll ppff you $100.00.

However, If not, you ppff me $500.00, deal?

If CU puts me on time out again or ban me, you know how to get ahold of me.

KK

coindeuce · January 1, 2020 8:49PM

I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.

KollectorKing · January 1, 2020 8:52PM

See how close the 2nd C the op’s coin is from the O? That is what concerns me. Show me a pic of another 89-CC with the 2nd C as close to the O as the op’s coin.

coindeuce · January 1, 2020 8:56PM

Quit while you’re behind. Your last comment is gibberish.

KollectorKing · January 1, 2020 9:04PM

@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.

I may be ignorant, but not arrogant. At least I “made” the op get the coin holder before trying to sell it, ie so the next owner will have some “guarantee.”

What have you done lately other than flap your tongue?

coindeuce · January 1, 2020 9:09PM

Heritage Lot #4635, Auction 1245 (April 2017 CSNS) Blow up the reverse and try to claim that it isn’t the same reverse as OP’s coin.

KollectorKing · January 1, 2020 9:12PM

@coindeuce said:
Heritage Lot #4635, Auction 1245 (April 2017 CSNS) Blow up the reverse and try to claim that it isn’t the same reverse as OP’s coin.

@coindeuce said:
Heritage Lot #4635, Auction 1245 (April 2017 CSNS) Blow up the reverse and try to claim that it isn’t the same reverse as OP’s coin.

@coindeuce said:
Heritage Lot #4635, Auction 1245 (April 2017 CSNS) Blow up the reverse and try to claim that it isn’t the same reverse as OP’s coin.

@coindeuce said:
Heritage Lot #4635, Auction 1245 (April 2017 CSNS) Blow up the reverse and try to claim that it isn’t the same reverse as OP’s coin.

No only am I ignorant, but lazy. You found the pics, your post the pics.

coindeuce · January 1, 2020 9:20PM

@KollectorKing said:

@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.

I may be ignorant, but not arrogant. At least I “made” the op get the coin holder before trying to sell it, ie so the next owner will have some “guarantee.”

What have you done lately other than flap your tongue?

@KollectorKing said:

@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.

I may be ignorant, but not arrogant. At least I “made” the op get the coin holder before trying to sell it, ie so the next owner will have some “guarantee.”

What have you done lately other than flap your tongue?

I’ve observed you coercing a seller with no motive or incentive to sell a counterfeit coin to accept your wager just to satisfy your ego. That is my definition of arrogance. If you were a mature adult, you would have offered to buy the coin based on your insistence of proving authenticity instead of blathering about protecting the next owner.

KollectorKing · January 1, 2020 9:23PM

@coindeuce said:

@KollectorKing said:

@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.

I may be ignorant, but not arrogant. At least I “made” the op get the coin holder before trying to sell it, ie so the next owner will have some “guarantee.”

What have you done lately other than flap your tongue?

@KollectorKing said:

@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.

I may be ignorant, but not arrogant. At least I “made” the op get the coin holder before trying to sell it, ie so the next owner will have some “guarantee.”

What have you done lately other than flap your tongue?

I’ve observed you coercing a seller with no motive or incentive to sell a counterfeit coin to accept your wager just to satisfy your ego. That is my definition of arrogance. If you were a mature adult, you would have offered to buy the coin based on your insistence of proving authenticity instead of blathering about protecting the next owner.

Si.... case closed.

coindeuce · January 1, 2020 9:28PM

@KollectorKing said:
Si.... case closed.

Back pedaling, I see. Not going to acknowledge the results from NGC either ?
😆

KollectorKing · January 1, 2020 9:30PM

@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.

@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.

@coindeuce said:
I won’t dignify you with a response to your ignorance. I don’t need your arrogance either.

Huh?

KollectorKing · January 1, 2020 9:33PM

Boy sooner or later the 1894 is gonna get sold.

coindeuce · January 1, 2020 10:15PM

More drama from KollectorQueen

Bigbuck1975 · January 3, 2020 6:53PM

@KollectorKing said:

@coindeuce said:
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpg

Instead of flapping your lips, put your money where your lips are. I’ll make you the same offer. If the coin comes back from NGC as genuine, I’ll ppff you $100.00.

However, If not, you ppff me $500.00, deal?

If CU puts me on time out again or ban me, you know how to get ahold of me.

KK

KK - this is uncalled for, Steve is an honest seller and not trying to rip anybody off. Also if I’m wrong I’ll pay you $100 but if I’m right you pay me $500 seems a little over the top. For what’s its worth, based on images I think you’ll be sending steve some $$.

KollectorKing · January 3, 2020 7:13PM

@Bigbuck1975 said:

@KollectorKing said:

@coindeuce said:
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpg

Instead of flapping your lips, put your money where your lips are. I’ll make you the same offer. If the coin comes back from NGC as genuine, I’ll ppff you $100.00.

However, If not, you ppff me $500.00, deal?

If CU puts me on time out again or ban me, you know how to get ahold of me.

KK

KK - this is uncalled for, Steve is an honest seller and not trying to rip anybody off. Also if I’m wrong I’ll pay you $100 but if I’m right you pay me $500 seems a little over the top. For what’s its worth, based on images I think you’ll be sending steve some $$.

Sorry BB1975, I respectfully disagree with you. When a key coin like an 89-CC Morgan is being sold uncertified & in my opinion the 2nd C’s position is questionable someone has to step up & challenge the seller’s opinion of the coin. The OP kept saying it’s genuine so I’m putting $100 to see what NGC has to say about the coin.
1. If it’s genuine the seller is right & will get good money for the coin and I will ppff him $100.00.
2. If NGC says otherwise, I’ll save $100.

Pure & simple. I hope you understand my point of view.

KollectorKing · January 3, 2020 7:18PM

@Bigbuck1975 said:

@KollectorKing said:

@coindeuce said:
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpg

Instead of flapping your lips, put your money where your lips are. I’ll make you the same offer. If the coin comes back from NGC as genuine, I’ll ppff you $100.00.

However, If not, you ppff me $500.00, deal?

If CU puts me on time out again or ban me, you know how to get ahold of me.

KK

KK - this is uncalled for, Steve is an honest seller and not trying to rip anybody off. Also if I’m wrong I’ll pay you $100 but if I’m right you pay me $500 seems a little over the top. For what’s its worth, based on images I think you’ll be sending steve some $$.

Furthermore the quote you referred to was NOT addressed to the OP. It was addressed to another name calling member. Please re-read the the quoted passage.

KollectorKing · January 3, 2020 7:19PM

@coindeuce said:
More drama from KollectorQueen

I want to keep this on record in case the member edits or deletes it.

KollectorKing · January 3, 2020 7:21PM

@Collectorcoins said:
Shipped to NGC 12/24 earlybird

Keep for the record.

Collectorcoins · January 3, 2020 9:09PM

Arrived at NGC on 12/30.

coindeuce · January 8, 2020 8:40AM

@KollectorKing said:
Boy sooner or later the 1894 is gonna get sold.

Nothing like covertly attacking another seller's business. Not cool in the least.

jmlanzaf · January 8, 2020 9:25AM

@KollectorKing said:

@Bigbuck1975 said:

@KollectorKing said:

@coindeuce said:
KollectorKing you are obviously not thorough enough to source Vamworld.com where the ‘89-CC VAM 5 is plated with the dropped 2nd C of mintmark. Get your wallet out and pay up. Just because a die variety isn’t listed in CoinFacts or doesn’t appear in a Legend auction archive doesn’t preclude the existence of such. http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/w/images/e/ee/1889-CC_RonH_REVERSE_MM_C3d-DROPPED_C.jpg

Instead of flapping your lips, put your money where your lips are. I’ll make you the same offer. If the coin comes back from NGC as genuine, I’ll ppff you $100.00.

However, If not, you ppff me $500.00, deal?

If CU puts me on time out again or ban me, you know how to get ahold of me.

KK

KK - this is uncalled for, Steve is an honest seller and not trying to rip anybody off. Also if I’m wrong I’ll pay you $100 but if I’m right you pay me $500 seems a little over the top. For what’s its worth, based on images I think you’ll be sending steve some $$.

Sorry BB1975, I respectfully disagree with you. When a key coin like an 89-CC Morgan is being sold uncertified & in my opinion the 2nd C’s position is questionable someone has to step up & challenge the seller’s opinion of the coin. The OP kept saying it’s genuine so I’m putting $100 to see what NGC has to say about the coin.
1. If it’s genuine the seller is right & will get good money for the coin and I will ppff him $100.00.
2. If NGC says otherwise, I’ll save $100.

Pure & simple. I hope you understand my point of view.

Unless you are in the market to buy it, I'm not sure why you think you have not just the right but the duty to challenge the coin's authenticity.

Romankow · January 8, 2020 10:13AM

Following...

privatecoin · January 8, 2020 3:26PM

Shall be interesting when the results come in.

Jayyk31 · January 9, 2020 5:26AM

Just as I said Vam 5 far date. 100% legit. I mean all that has to be done is push a few buttons and go over to VamWorld and compare. The OP's pics are definitely good enough to see the details you need to see to verify. I guess it's not a biggie sending it off anyway! But nice 89cc, I wish I had the extra doe, I'd grab it!

jimineez1 · January 14, 2020 11:09AM

Waitin on that grade!

CuKevin · January 14, 2020 12:15PM

Following as well.

Collectorcoins · January 14, 2020 12:59PM

It was sent to NGC. The dealer who sent it had a dispute with NGC, they finally settled it so its in the grading process somewhere along the way. I will post it as soon as i know and post a photo of it in the holder or the body bag.

dbrown27 · January 14, 2020 2:32PM

will be interested to see the results.

silverman68 · January 14, 2020 4:55PM

@Collectorcoins said:
It was sent to NGC. The dealer who sent it had a dispute with NGC, they finally settled it so its in the grading process somewhere along the way. I will post it as soon as i know and post a photo of it in the holder or the body bag.

Get the submission number from the dealer and follow the coin moving through the process. I sure hope you trust the person who sent the coin for grading.

Collectorcoins · January 15, 2020 2:48AM

oh I can , hes honest.

Collectorcoins · January 15, 2020 12:42PM

Just called NGC- genuine AU details cleaned. will post photo in holder once I receive the coin.

JimTyler · January 15, 2020 1:05PM

So who were the know it alls that said FAKE ABSOLUTELY POSITIVE ? Didn't someone bet money ? Take it.

1889-CC Morgan Dollar -Verdict in- NGC Genuine AU details cleaned

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