@keets said: Cleveland will always find a way to disappoint, higher expectations will just lead to a greater extent of disappointment. Enjoy the 6-10 season Brownies!
I've only seen two games, but you can't be happy with his play. On the other hand, Chubb seems to be for real; he looks really decisive when running the ball, and has more speed than I gave him credit for.
@2dueces said:
Browns win their division easily. 10-6. 11-5. Too much talent to waste. Top 10 defense with the absolutely best receiving corps in football. Playoff experience this year and then 3-5 years to a SB. Let’s revisit this year end.
I admit I bought into the hype. I don’t have to revisit this post at the end of the year. They are who we thought they were. They’re the Cleveland Browns!!
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They certainly fooled me. I thought they would be good enough to win that division. Cinci is just awful, I don't trust Jackson as the QB in Balt, and the Steelers are getting older and now without Ben, they have no proven QB. Shame on me.
I am curious to know who watches the games?? two points:
1). certainly we all see things differently and want to question the calls by the officials --- but --- when the announcers think they are "phantom" calls and even the rules expert in New York calls some of them into question it is clear, the officiating in that game sucked.
2). interceptions are always credited to the QB as well they should be --- but --- Mayfield "threw" three interceptions yesterday and they weren't really his fault. on one, a timing play, after he threw the ball two receivers ran into each other and fell to the ground. on the other two they went off the receivers hands, up into the air and were intercepted.
Mayfield throws the ball, he can't catch it, too. of his 12 interceptions I believe that 7-8 of them were balls that the receivers should have easily caught. they need to start making those plays.
past that it isn't really as bad as it seems. consider their four losses:
Tennessee --- 2-4, season opener.
LA Rams --- 3-3, Rams were undefeated at the time.
San Francisco --- 5-0.
Seattle --- 5-1.
the schedule is what it is, but we should agree that Cleveland is about average and they have played some pretty good Teams thus far. it doesn't get easier: after a bye week they are @New England, @Denver and home against Buffalo. it is reasonable to assume they will be 3-6, but the schedule is quite a bit easier after that.
the schedule was "front loaded" very hard and the "hype" was sort of unrealistic. after Buffalo 5-2 isn't unrealistic which means that 8-8 is doable.
I like the Browns except for OBJ. And keets is right. The QB should not get tagged for an INT when the ball hits the receivers hands and goes into the air. I have never thought that was right no matter who the QB was.
those Int's are particularly frustrating because two of them, one last week and one yesterday, happened in the endzone. what they equated to were 14 point swings, both times right before the end of the first half. they highlight what has shown itself as the Browns biggest deficiency, RedZone scoring. Geez, in yesterday's game against Seattle they had to score the same TD three times for it to finally count!!
1). certainly we all see things differently and want to question the calls by the officials --- but --- when the announcers think they are "phantom" calls and even the rules expert in New York calls some of them into question it is clear, the officiating in that game sucked.
you had a lot of the same in the Eagles game. PI and D holding called on almost every Viking pass, yet Eagle WRs being held and hit downfield with no call. At least 3 times (2 affected change of possession) the commentators called the penalty into question. You could also see the D line being held when trying to go after Cousins as well..no call. Not calling sour grapes because the Eagles didn't play well, but as they finally started to build momentum and those calls go against you on the road, they are just backbreakers. That wasn't the case in Cleveland as they were at home yesterday. Overall throughout the league the calls on PI have been terrible. DB's are constantly holding the WR's, have seen them multiple times holding the wideout's arm to prevent him from catching the ball, and no calls are made. Then, you challenge and the call is upheld. That rule change is an absolute joke!!!!
I'm glad Jets got Darnold over this dude. Maybe he should cut back on the huffing and puffing and focus on football. The way he showed up former Hue Jackson last season was embarrassing.
I hear a lot of excuses rationalizing the poor play but as someone once said, you are what your record says you are.
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Losing isn’t all about the QB. Mayfield threw behind a receiver for one interception. Clearly hit the receiver but if the pass was on target it’s not picked off. I question some of the play calls when leading. They had Nick Chubb. They really could have shortened the game at times. Yes I know he had over 100 but 6 or 8 more carries could have made a big difference. Kitchens is a bit over his head but the team is very, very young and talented. No team is as good or as bad as their last game.
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@grote15 said:
I'm glad Jets got Darnold over this dude. Maybe he should cut back on the huffing and puffing and focus on football. The way he showed up former Hue Jackson last season was embarrassing.
I hear a lot of excuses rationalizing the poor play but as someone once said, you are what your record says you are.
Tim well said, I thought at first his “Brash” attitude was good for the Browns, meaning they drafted a leader and someone who wasn’t afraid to take charge. The Hugh Jackson situation last year was a huge red flag in my opinion, like who the heck do you think you are punking off a veteran coach like that before you got even a full season under your belt? Either way with the commercials and the hype around him maybe it is a little too much for him to live up to all of the hype but the kid definitely wants to be better and it’s not all his fault. They are on a better track at least and do have a better team in the making, this years expectations were too much though
I do believe Mayfield will be an excellent QB. In the vast majority of cases there is a learning curve for the position. Possible that his cockiness is getting in the way???
@grote15 said:
I'm glad Jets got Darnold over this dude. Maybe he should cut back on the huffing and puffing and focus on football. The way he showed up former Hue Jackson last season was embarrassing.
I hear a lot of excuses rationalizing the poor play but as someone once said, you are what your record says you are.
the jets will finish with a better record than the browns . You heard it here first! , well possibly
@JRR300 said:
I do believe Mayfield will be an excellent QB. In the vast majority of cases there is a learning curve for the position. Possible that his cockiness is getting in the way???
He is a gunslinger who is not afraid to make throws, experience will help him down the road.
I really, truly believe Mahomes and Mayfield should just cut it out with the commercials, until maybe they've
actually accomplished something. An MVP is fine, but let's win a damn Super Bowl before I see Mahomes on TV
as much as Peyton Manning, whose commercials I hate.
I always thought Tiger Woods making all those Nike commercials couldn't have helped his golf game any,
I know he had other issues but it just appears as a viewer that an athlete is losing focus on his sport when
you see more of him in commercials than playing his sport.
@Darin said:
I really, truly believe Mahomes and Mayfield should just cut it out with the commercials, until maybe they've
actually accomplished something. An MVP is fine, but let's win a damn Super Bowl before I see Mahomes on TV
as much as Peyton Manning, whose commercials I hate.
I always thought Tiger Woods making all those Nike commercials couldn't have helped his golf game any,
I know he had other issues but it just appears as a viewer that an athlete is losing focus on his sport when
you see more of him in commercials than playing his sport.
These rookie contracts are not what they used to be, these commercials are huge money. I totally get what your saying but you can’t blame these guys for cashing in on huge endorsement deals
The Browns are like Titans. People say “This is gonna be their year!” and then it isn’t. Some franchises seem to be like that. The Eagles have been like that, except for the one magical year when they won the Super Bowl.
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as the season wears on I think one thing above all else is clear, Freddie Kitchens is in over his head as the HC and it is showing in the play calling, on field discipline and silliness off the field. the decision to get rid of Greg Williams in lieu of Kitchens was the wrong move but now they are stuck with a rookie HC making rookie mistakes as the whole Team learns from them. in reality, if they wanted Kitchens at this position they needed him to be 2nd in command for more than eight games.
all that said, getting rid of him is the wrong thing to do.
I watched some of the Browns game yesterday, and all I can say is that they have some internal issues. Odell Beckham was pissed off at Baker Mayfield about not getting him the ball. They need to settle it like men outside the locker room. Perhaps one on one, the old school way.
I think a big factor overlooked about B. Mayfield is ~ he is ultimately a low character guy.... when things go South you don't want to be sailing in his boat.
Odell Beckham was pissed off at Baker Mayfield about not getting him the ball.
this is a media driven story meant for the drama inferred by doubledragon. it is no different than any other wideout on any other Team who wants the ball more, that's sort of the way good players think. certainly OBJ has been his own worst enemy in the past but what's happening with the Browns is the media wanting their narrative followed.
why isn't everyone all whipped up in a frothy frenzy about Josh Gordon?? he has a history which is much more substantive than anything going on with Beckham but we don't get the same drama and hatred towards him.
i guess i'll be the first to point out that OBJ has a grand total of one TD on the season and regularly gets locked up when he comes face-to-face with an elite-level CB
@galaxy27 said:
i guess i'll be the first to point out that OBJ has a grand total of one TD on the season and regularly gets locked up when he comes face-to-face with an elite-level CB
can you say shell of his former self?
nevermind that , how is he trending on the twitter
@galaxy27 said:
i guess i'll be the first to point out that OBJ has a grand total of one TD on the season and regularly gets locked up when he comes face-to-face with an elite-level CB
can you say shell of his former self?
nevermind that , how is he trending on the twitter
how about everyone losing their fixation on Baker Mayfield and wondering when he shaved last or used the potty??
think about it, right now almost 1/3 of the NFL has a record the same or worse than the Cleveland Browns. why does everyone insist on wetting their pants about how the Team is doing if you aren't a supporter of the Team. that's a sad personal commentary.
@keets said:
how about everyone losing their fixation on Baker Mayfield and wondering when he shaved last or used the potty??
think about it, right now almost 1/3 of the NFL has a record the same or worse than the Cleveland Browns. why does everyone insist on wetting their pants about how the Team is doing if you aren't a supporter of the Team. that's a sad personal commentary.
We can blame the fake news media.
They pumped the hell out of the browns tire before the season began . No one is complaining about Detroit or Arizonas records
@keets said:
how about everyone losing their fixation on Baker Mayfield and wondering when he shaved last or used the potty??
think about it, right now almost 1/3 of the NFL has a record the same or worse than the Cleveland Browns. why does everyone insist on wetting their pants about how the Team is doing if you aren't a supporter of the Team. that's a sad personal commentary.
If your posting about the Browns then put on your big boy pants and deal
With the responses. Mayfield was a the number ONE first round pick, ahead of about 5 other QB’s who went in the first round and the best one was picked last out of the group. Regardless if you want to believe it or not Mayfield has been part of the problem. Not saying he is the entire problem but if they were undefeated he would be getting g accolades as the best pick of the Draft and how “Smart” Cleveland was to pick him #1
perk, either way it is media hype that I choose not to acknowledge or pay attention to, that's all I'm saying. and trust me, I always have on my big-boy pants, hasn't that been obvious over the years I've been here??
@keets said:
perk, either way it is media hype that I choose not to acknowledge or pay attention to, that's all I'm saying. and trust me, I always have on my big-boy pants, hasn't that been obvious over the years I've been here??
Yes you have that’s why it suprised me to read you getting defensive about Mayfield. Either way the Browns are in a better position now than pre Mayfield I think
here's how I look at it and why I posted what you perceive to be a "defense" of Baker Mayfield --- I think all the hype is ridiculous, and aside from a couple of his commercials which I think are funny it is all way, way over the top. many members apparently feel the same. that being the case, why would they continue to bring it up and ride it for all they can get?? I don't claim to be a genius, but when something gnaws at me I try to put it on a shelf to die a slow death while I fix the real problem, almost always something about myself.
in layman's terms, why is everyone renting Baker Mayfield free space inside their head?? that makes no sense.
The Browns went from 0 wins in 17 to 7 wins in 18. That was a good improvement to me. They will have to go 3-3 the remainder of the season to get 7 wins this year. I think OBJ has been a bigger distraction than help. I have seen him play much more than Gordon and just don't like his (OBJ) antics. All I know about Gordon is what I hear here on the boards. A big problem with the Browns is Kitchens. I rate him right with Garrett. Both are Pi$$ Poor HC's. The difference is Dallas has better players. I don't think the Browns will make the playoffs, but they have improved and need to ditch Kitchens and OBJ.
@keets said: Cleveland will always find a way to disappoint, higher expectations will just lead to a greater extent of disappointment. Enjoy the 6-10 season Brownies!
Kitchens is a failed coach. He did not take advantage of the high-priced talent he had. He should be gone, but it will take another bad season for that to happen.
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Too much hype! They will be better but be careful with the expectations ☝️
Starting to look like 6-10 is optimistic, no?
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Does mayfield suck? He appears to suck
I've only seen two games, but you can't be happy with his play. On the other hand, Chubb seems to be for real; he looks really decisive when running the ball, and has more speed than I gave him credit for.
I admit I bought into the hype. I don’t have to revisit this post at the end of the year. They are who we thought they were. They’re the Cleveland Browns!!
"I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
They certainly fooled me. I thought they would be good enough to win that division. Cinci is just awful, I don't trust Jackson as the QB in Balt, and the Steelers are getting older and now without Ben, they have no proven QB. Shame on me.
I am curious to know who watches the games?? two points:
1). certainly we all see things differently and want to question the calls by the officials --- but --- when the announcers think they are "phantom" calls and even the rules expert in New York calls some of them into question it is clear, the officiating in that game sucked.
2). interceptions are always credited to the QB as well they should be --- but --- Mayfield "threw" three interceptions yesterday and they weren't really his fault. on one, a timing play, after he threw the ball two receivers ran into each other and fell to the ground. on the other two they went off the receivers hands, up into the air and were intercepted.
Mayfield throws the ball, he can't catch it, too. of his 12 interceptions I believe that 7-8 of them were balls that the receivers should have easily caught. they need to start making those plays.
past that it isn't really as bad as it seems. consider their four losses:
Tennessee --- 2-4, season opener.
LA Rams --- 3-3, Rams were undefeated at the time.
San Francisco --- 5-0.
Seattle --- 5-1.
the schedule is what it is, but we should agree that Cleveland is about average and they have played some pretty good Teams thus far. it doesn't get easier: after a bye week they are @New England, @Denver and home against Buffalo. it is reasonable to assume they will be 3-6, but the schedule is quite a bit easier after that.
the schedule was "front loaded" very hard and the "hype" was sort of unrealistic. after Buffalo 5-2 isn't unrealistic which means that 8-8 is doable.
I like the Browns except for OBJ. And keets is right. The QB should not get tagged for an INT when the ball hits the receivers hands and goes into the air. I have never thought that was right no matter who the QB was.
those Int's are particularly frustrating because two of them, one last week and one yesterday, happened in the endzone. what they equated to were 14 point swings, both times right before the end of the first half. they highlight what has shown itself as the Browns biggest deficiency, RedZone scoring. Geez, in yesterday's game against Seattle they had to score the same TD three times for it to finally count!!
you had a lot of the same in the Eagles game. PI and D holding called on almost every Viking pass, yet Eagle WRs being held and hit downfield with no call. At least 3 times (2 affected change of possession) the commentators called the penalty into question. You could also see the D line being held when trying to go after Cousins as well..no call. Not calling sour grapes because the Eagles didn't play well, but as they finally started to build momentum and those calls go against you on the road, they are just backbreakers. That wasn't the case in Cleveland as they were at home yesterday. Overall throughout the league the calls on PI have been terrible. DB's are constantly holding the WR's, have seen them multiple times holding the wideout's arm to prevent him from catching the ball, and no calls are made. Then, you challenge and the call is upheld. That rule change is an absolute joke!!!!
I'm glad Jets got Darnold over this dude. Maybe he should cut back on the huffing and puffing and focus on football. The way he showed up former Hue Jackson last season was embarrassing.
I hear a lot of excuses rationalizing the poor play but as someone once said, you are what your record says you are.
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Losing isn’t all about the QB. Mayfield threw behind a receiver for one interception. Clearly hit the receiver but if the pass was on target it’s not picked off. I question some of the play calls when leading. They had Nick Chubb. They really could have shortened the game at times. Yes I know he had over 100 but 6 or 8 more carries could have made a big difference. Kitchens is a bit over his head but the team is very, very young and talented. No team is as good or as bad as their last game.
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The Browns remain the Browns. 6, maybe 7 wins. Baby steps.
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Tim well said, I thought at first his “Brash” attitude was good for the Browns, meaning they drafted a leader and someone who wasn’t afraid to take charge. The Hugh Jackson situation last year was a huge red flag in my opinion, like who the heck do you think you are punking off a veteran coach like that before you got even a full season under your belt? Either way with the commercials and the hype around him maybe it is a little too much for him to live up to all of the hype but the kid definitely wants to be better and it’s not all his fault. They are on a better track at least and do have a better team in the making, this years expectations were too much though
I do believe Mayfield will be an excellent QB. In the vast majority of cases there is a learning curve for the position. Possible that his cockiness is getting in the way???
the jets will finish with a better record than the browns . You heard it here first! , well possibly
He is a gunslinger who is not afraid to make throws, experience will help him down the road.
I really, truly believe Mahomes and Mayfield should just cut it out with the commercials, until maybe they've
actually accomplished something. An MVP is fine, but let's win a damn Super Bowl before I see Mahomes on TV
as much as Peyton Manning, whose commercials I hate.
I always thought Tiger Woods making all those Nike commercials couldn't have helped his golf game any,
I know he had other issues but it just appears as a viewer that an athlete is losing focus on his sport when
you see more of him in commercials than playing his sport.
to be fair no one wants to watch golf. Its like watching paint dry
These rookie contracts are not what they used to be, these commercials are huge money. I totally get what your saying but you can’t blame these guys for cashing in on huge endorsement deals
Maybe I was wrong, they won’t be better 🤷♂️
I of course meant for the 2020 season for both the Browns' and Chiefs' win-loss record.
The Browns are like Titans. People say “This is gonna be their year!” and then it isn’t. Some franchises seem to be like that. The Eagles have been like that, except for the one magical year when they won the Super Bowl.
as the season wears on I think one thing above all else is clear, Freddie Kitchens is in over his head as the HC and it is showing in the play calling, on field discipline and silliness off the field. the decision to get rid of Greg Williams in lieu of Kitchens was the wrong move but now they are stuck with a rookie HC making rookie mistakes as the whole Team learns from them. in reality, if they wanted Kitchens at this position they needed him to be 2nd in command for more than eight games.
all that said, getting rid of him is the wrong thing to do.
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What an idiot, I don’t blame him for getting angry about being called out but you got to be smarter than that.
I post in political forums, and even in that rough environment it very rarely gets that bad with particular threats such as that.
This guy is a total fool letting a broadcaster get to him like that.
I watched some of the Browns game yesterday, and all I can say is that they have some internal issues. Odell Beckham was pissed off at Baker Mayfield about not getting him the ball. They need to settle it like men outside the locker room. Perhaps one on one, the old school way.
OBJ is a POS and always will be! Bad move on the Brown's signing him.
I think a big factor overlooked about B. Mayfield is ~ he is ultimately a low character guy.... when things go South you don't want to be sailing in his boat.
Odell Beckham was pissed off at Baker Mayfield about not getting him the ball.
this is a media driven story meant for the drama inferred by doubledragon. it is no different than any other wideout on any other Team who wants the ball more, that's sort of the way good players think. certainly OBJ has been his own worst enemy in the past but what's happening with the Browns is the media wanting their narrative followed.
why isn't everyone all whipped up in a frothy frenzy about Josh Gordon?? he has a history which is much more substantive than anything going on with Beckham but we don't get the same drama and hatred towards him.
why is that?? Dimeman, is Gordon a POS??
Complete lack of discipline. I still think they make the playoffs.
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i guess i'll be the first to point out that OBJ has a grand total of one TD on the season and regularly gets locked up when he comes face-to-face with an elite-level CB
can you say shell of his former self?
you'll never be able to outrun a bad diet
nevermind that , how is he trending on the twitter
Definitely most important 😂😂😂
How about hitting the pause button on the baker mayfield commercials until he earns them?
how about everyone losing their fixation on Baker Mayfield and wondering when he shaved last or used the potty??
think about it, right now almost 1/3 of the NFL has a record the same or worse than the Cleveland Browns. why does everyone insist on wetting their pants about how the Team is doing if you aren't a supporter of the Team. that's a sad personal commentary.
We can blame the fake news media.
They pumped the hell out of the browns tire before the season began . No one is complaining about Detroit or Arizonas records
If your posting about the Browns then put on your big boy pants and deal
With the responses. Mayfield was a the number ONE first round pick, ahead of about 5 other QB’s who went in the first round and the best one was picked last out of the group. Regardless if you want to believe it or not Mayfield has been part of the problem. Not saying he is the entire problem but if they were undefeated he would be getting g accolades as the best pick of the Draft and how “Smart” Cleveland was to pick him #1
perk, either way it is media hype that I choose not to acknowledge or pay attention to, that's all I'm saying. and trust me, I always have on my big-boy pants, hasn't that been obvious over the years I've been here??
Yes you have that’s why it suprised me to read you getting defensive about Mayfield. Either way the Browns are in a better position now than pre Mayfield I think
here's how I look at it and why I posted what you perceive to be a "defense" of Baker Mayfield --- I think all the hype is ridiculous, and aside from a couple of his commercials which I think are funny it is all way, way over the top. many members apparently feel the same. that being the case, why would they continue to bring it up and ride it for all they can get?? I don't claim to be a genius, but when something gnaws at me I try to put it on a shelf to die a slow death while I fix the real problem, almost always something about myself.
in layman's terms, why is everyone renting Baker Mayfield free space inside their head?? that makes no sense.
The Browns went from 0 wins in 17 to 7 wins in 18. That was a good improvement to me. They will have to go 3-3 the remainder of the season to get 7 wins this year. I think OBJ has been a bigger distraction than help. I have seen him play much more than Gordon and just don't like his (OBJ) antics. All I know about Gordon is what I hear here on the boards. A big problem with the Browns is Kitchens. I rate him right with Garrett. Both are Pi$$ Poor HC's. The difference is Dallas has better players. I don't think the Browns will make the playoffs, but they have improved and need to ditch Kitchens and OBJ.
Good thing you saved it, that guy was prescient!
Kitchens is a failed coach. He did not take advantage of the high-priced talent he had. He should be gone, but it will take another bad season for that to happen.